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RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... - 9/21/2010 8:58:21 AM

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morons who can't spell hypocrisy shouldn't use it in a sentence.

So, the US ie bank loans money in 2009 and then subsequently we have an oil spill in 2010.

And the 'hypocrasy' is where?

Gee...a spelling error.....it's amazing how some people need to attack simple errors of others....to make themselves look good.....

The date of the loan guarantee is wholly irrelevant. The "policy" was to support drilling, then when the BP spill pissed off his base, instead of having the balls to stand up and say that the overwhelming proof is that drilling is safe and we need to discover what happened here and fix it....he puts 10's of 1000's of people out of work over PR. By that same standard, what will he do if a plane crashes?......ban airplanes?.....train collision.....ban trains? .....cars crash?....kill people?...ban cars? He applied a dumb, simplistic solution to a complex problem and in so doing put a lot of good people out of work....more people than the spill itself put out of work.

That is the relevance of the article....not the date of it. Dumb solutions to every issue they faced. That is my point.

I will not spell-check this....I don't want to take away your fun :)

Uh, so what went wrong, what is the cleanup plan from here? What is the way to deal with this in the future.

By the same token we have the NTSB and the FAA.....

Uh, again, where is the ypochrasie? Your ranting over misguided and misinformed shit is what the hypocrasy is.

Learn to read, learn to think. THAT is the issue at hand.

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RE: The Obama hysteria gets blown out of the water - 9/21/2010 9:00:37 AM

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bet he doesnt come back to acknowledge the differences, ignorance is bliss... but sure makes you look dumb

Well....you see.....I work for a living....I run two businesses...both very successful and while it is fun to banter with people, there are occasions when I just don't have the time to do so. Today I had some time, and came back.

One thing that is impossible, is to intimidate me and cause me to shrink from interacting with people. you're entitled to your opinions. It would be a tad unrealistic on a place like CM, to post anything even remotely conservative in viewpoint and not expect to hear rebuttals. :::::::::shrug:::::::::

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RE: The Obama hysteria gets blown out of the water - 9/21/2010 9:11:34 AM

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conservative is ok, outright falsehoods, misinformation, impugning conclusions from facts not in evidence, even misguided lunacy (while under a doctors care) is gonna get you catcalls.

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RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... - 9/21/2010 10:38:12 AM

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morons who can't spell hypocrisy shouldn't use it in a sentence.

So, the US ie bank loans money in 2009 and then subsequently we have an oil spill in 2010.

And the 'hypocrasy' is where?

.....it's amazing how some people need to attack simple errors of others....to make themselves look good.....

The date of the loan guarantee is wholly irrelevant. The "policy" was to support drilling, then when the BP spill pissed off his base, instead of having the balls to stand up and say that the overwhelming proof is that drilling is safe and we need to discover what happened here and fix it....he puts 10's of 1000's of people out of work over PR. By that same standard, what will he do if a plane crashes?......ban airplanes?.....train collision.....ban trains? .....cars crash?....kill people?...ban cars? He applied a dumb, simplistic solution to a complex problem and in so doing put a lot of good people out of work....more people than the spill itself put out of work.

That is the relevance of the article....not the date of it. Dumb solutions to every issue they faced. That is my point.

I will not spell-check this....I don't want to take away your fun :)

Uh, so what went wrong, what is the cleanup plan from here? What is the way to deal with this in the future.

By the same token we have the NTSB and the FAA.....

Uh, again, where is the ypochrasie? Your ranting over misguided and misinformed shit is what the hypocrasy is.

Learn to read, learn to think. THAT is the issue at hand.

If you are suggesting there is no regulatory body at work, setting standards for equipment used in deepwater drilling, (hopefully I properly read the implication of your FAA/NTSB comment...) then you need to go check your own facts. Presently, standards and certifications of everything from drilling equipment, to mooring and riser systems, to the vessels involved, are under they eyes of the following depending on which entity(entities) has authority in a given case...(a partial list...):

Amercian Bureau Of Shipping
Lloyds Register
ASTM
DetNorskeVeritas
Germanischer Llloyd
NKK
API
OCIMF
US Coast Guard
AWO
IEEE
IEC
AWS
ASME
USEPA

Note that I don't list MMS given the media constantly reports them to be a bunch of miscreants (...did I spell that right?....) so rather than provoke an MMS thread...we'll leave them off the list....

For you fact hounds....have a look at the list of ABS Rule Publications....

http://www.eagle.org/eagleExternalPortalWEB/appmanager/absEagle/absEagleDesktop?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=abs_eagle_portal_rules_guides_download_page

.....especially #6,8,29,57,63,64,69,82,92,97,101,104,105,114,115,123,124,126,137,146,155,160,168.

To my knowledge, neither the FAA nor the NTSB has ever completely banned all trains, all automobiles, all aircraft or all horse-drawn wagons, despite large numbers of horrific accidents in recent years. I'd be happy to cite a few of those accidents for the "fact-obsessed".

To the fellow who felt it necessary to inform me Obama only banned deepwater drilling....um....yeah.....you know...the key for me was that "deep" part of the word. I actually do understand such things....especially given I am part of the industry. Deepwater drilling is practiced all over the world....and curiously Obama's ban has not widely spread through the world. That should say something.... (...no...wait...I know what it says....O is smarter then the rest....right????...)

Not surprising given most people act on engineering-based information, not Chicago knee-jerk political motives.

Oh....and gee....look at this.... (Yes...I know...the hated WSJ..(July 2 2010)..what could THEY know????...)....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704525704575341080005377338.html

http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/cuba-leases-to-bring-deepwater-drilling-within-50-miles-of-key-west/

...and this from NPR....SURELY you'll believe THIS one.....

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128443460

OK....otter....you seem to have all the answers....how do we deal with this?

MC

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RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... - 9/21/2010 10:43:37 AM

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yeah, read the link from npr and quit doing a bait and switch, the peroration should be sobering, and argues against all your irrelevant diatribe, and no, those companies do not have regulatory oversight in deep water drilling, nor do they have on the scene enforcement or judicial powers, or there would have been equipment on the scene the cap would have been on, and the plug in place before it hit the nightly news.

We wouldn't be experimenting, we wouldn't be in the aftermath of a long term catastrophe......

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RE: The Obama hysteria gets blown out of the water - 9/21/2010 10:46:02 AM

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conservative is ok, outright falsehoods, misinformation, impugning conclusions from facts not in evidence, even misguided lunacy (while under a doctors care) is gonna get you catcalls.

Catcalls and their effect is wholly dependent on the source.....

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RE: The Obama hysteria gets blown out of the water - 9/21/2010 11:00:18 AM

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thanks for playing, we have some nice shamwows for your parting gift.

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RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... - 9/21/2010 2:55:14 PM

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To my knowledge, neither the FAA nor the NTSB has ever completely banned all trains, all automobiles, all aircraft or all horse-drawn wagons, despite large numbers of horrific accidents in recent years. I'd be happy to cite a few of those accidents for the "fact-obsessed".

MC

Mastercard,

(Did I spell that right?)

You really need to increase that base of knowledge.

Obama's moratorium was only on deep water drilling, and as the name suggests it is not a permanent ban but a temporary stop to investigate the safety issues involved and what needs to be improved.

The NTSB is an investigatory agency that has no authority to impose regulations.

The FAA, however, can and has imposed regulatory enforcement including revoking the operating certificates of companies found to be in violation of safety standards, and this usually occurs after a preventable accident.

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