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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/23/2010 9:19:07 PM

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I think that it is easy to give perfect obedience to that which is perfect.

Humans are imperfect.

While I am not myself a submissive in the lifestyle, I do not think that my interaction with my gods can be described any other way than....They own my ass, and I submit entirely and totally to them.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/23/2010 9:29:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

If your not a mature person emotionally at mid-life and haven't settled into who you are then I don't think you'd be right for me. I'm not your shrink or your babysitter..I want a woman..not a the false image of one. (Generally speaking)

LOL

Not sure why this made me laugh, but it did. Maybe because of all I've been through to be settled within myself and how well I know myself and know what is right for me...your comment just seemed like it was coming from another planet.

Here's the difference. You are dominant, by nature. Cool. This means you are in control - of yourself, of your surroundings, of the people you are in a relationship with.

I am not, within my relationship.

I am going into a relationship knowing I won't be in control of any of it. I'd better damn well know who it is I'm getting involved with, and be pretty certain that he can adequately lead me. As I told my owner, I am a complex being and I don't come without complications (no one does, in my opinion).

There are a myriad of personality types out there in the world. If I was going to give myself to someone, it needed to be someone who had the skills and desire to lead my personality type.

If you've attended any leadership seminars (I've had more than my fill of executive management courses), you would know there are various types of leaders, and different leadership styles affect people differently. Some thrive under dictatorships, and some crumble under them. This has absolutely nothing to do with knowing oneself, or settling into who you are, or anything else that you seem to be talking about. It's compatibility - and compatibility or incompatibility occurs in all areas of life - the workplace, in families, circles of friends, relationships, etc.

You seem to be of the opinion that if someone is not compatible to your style and desires, they're not really submissive, or not self aware, or any other negative wrapping you are choosing to put on it. But you're wrong. While someone may not be compatible to you, this does not mean they aren't the perfect submissive partner for someone else.

Ever had a perfect boss? A shitty boss? Ever have a shitty boss who other coworkers liked? Then hopefully you can grasp what I am speaking of.

There are a lot of people who can call themselves leaders. This doesn't mean they are good leaders. And to me, a good leader would know that.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/23/2010 9:47:35 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

If your not a mature person emotionally at mid-life and haven't settled into who you are then I don't think you'd be right for me. I'm not your shrink or your babysitter..I want a woman..not a the false image of one. (Generally speaking)

You seem to be of the opinion that if someone is not compatible to your style and desires, they're not really submissive, or not self aware, or any other negative wrapping you are choosing to put on it. But you're wrong. While someone may not be compatible to you, this does not mean they aren't the perfect submissive partner for someone else.

Ever had a perfect boss? A shitty boss? Ever have a shitty boss who other coworkers liked? Then hopefully you can grasp what I am speaking of.

There are a lot of people who can call themselves leaders. This doesn't mean they are good leaders. And to me, a good leader would know that.

Agreed. And you cannot really be surprised at the attitude being displayed here. There are so many insecure people that put down others who don't fit into their tiny little boxes. I consider them to be sad,passive aggressive types who like to start issues to make themselves feel dominant and important. They probably never feel that way any other time other than online.

They find it threatening when any women disagree with their preconceived notions, so they attack their version of submission by suggesting that they are immature or incapable of having relationships or negative.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/23/2010 10:20:38 PM

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There are a lot of people who can call themselves leaders. This doesn't mean they are good leaders. And to me, a good leader would know that.

I'm guessing you thought it was funny because you were attempting to get inside my head? Maybe trying to let me know that you found that idea laughable..

It wasn't directed at you to begin with..That's why I went back and placed the generally speaking in.

See I could say a similar thing. There are a lot of people who call themselves followers..This doesn't mean they are good followers. And to me a good follower would know that.

See how that works.

Most of what you've said before this line is yet more excuses for the most part. I know there are people of which you speak..I'm also aware that there are different types of "submissives" or what I would say a better way to say it would be....Different degrees of submission. I also believe it boils down, for a certain amount of people, to compatibility but there are a large amount of people that don't fall under those things.

As I've said before: If your Dominant in 99% of your life then you wouldn't be a submissive in my book...I'm not sure what you'd be but I am sure it wouldn't be submissive. Somewhere along the line ya have to submit lol..That is what your suppose to do, no?

What seems to be going on these days is an attempt to redefine terms so people can all fit into a "box" which then they can resist against and protest to those who say..Hey, you fit here...or in this case..Don't fit in....Don't you dare tell me I don't fit into a box I refuse to label myself with to begin with..I'm liable to get upset! lol

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/23/2010 10:25:54 PM

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I consider them to be sad,passive aggressive types who like to start issues to make themselves feel dominant and important. They probably never feel that way any other time other than online.

Is this why you felt the need to speak up against me? I mean I am the person your referring to when you posted this no?

How am I starting an issue? I'm making a statement of what i believe..Are you not mature enough to handle it if it doesn't fit you? Or do you point fingers like everyone else?

Ya know there wouldn't be any issues if you weren't making a bigger deal out of it.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/23/2010 10:36:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

I'm guessing you thought it was funny because you were attempting to get inside my head? Maybe trying to let me know that you found that idea laughable..

I promise you I wasn't trying to get inside your head.

quote:

It wasn't directed at you to begin with..That's why I went back and placed the generally speaking in.

I know, and I didn't assume it was directed at me. However, you making reference to one of my comments as one of the comments you were referring to, as one of those phrases used as an excuse for retaining control, did prompt me to reply with my opinion, and probably contributed to my laughter.

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See I could say a similar thing. There are a lot of people who call themselves followers..This doesn't mean they are good followers. And to me a good follower would know that.

See how that works.

Yep, I do. So we agree, there are leaders who aren't very good, and followers who aren't very good. The difference in our stated opinions, though, is I'm not making blanket statements about who is or is not a good (insert whatever, here), based on a few comments on a message board.

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Most of what you've said before this line is yet more excuses for the most part. I know there are people of which you speak..I'm also aware that there are different types of "submissives" or what I would say a better way to say it would be....Different degrees of submission. I also believe it boils down, for a certain amount of people, to compatibility but there are a large amount of people that don't fall under those things.

Excuses for what? For my desire to retain control? If that's what you mean, you must have missed the part where I said I don't have control within my relationship. Nor do I want it.

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As I've said before: If your Dominant in 99% of your life then you wouldn't be a submissive in my book...I'm not sure what you'd be but I am sure it wouldn't be submissive. Somewhere along the line ya have to submit lol..That is what your suppose to do, no?

To my owner, yes, I am supposed to submit. To the guy next door? The bagger at my local grocery store? My postman? No, I'm not. And neither my owner nor I care if this makes me a submissive in anyone's book. I don't care whether or not I carry that label. I do care that I submit to my owner's authority. I don't measure my submission by percentages with regard to the rest of the world. I'm perfectly OK with people other than my owner finding me "not submissive." I make no excuses for not submitting to my postman, lol. I need no excuses with regard to my owner, because I do submit to him. It's all pretty simple, in my world.

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What seems to be going on these days is an attempt to redefine terms so people can all fit into a "box" which then they can resist against and protest to those who say..Hey, you fit here...

Kinda like you're doing by saying "you're not really submissive."

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*Insert marching song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxNX_PRqhCQ

Heh. I think we're marching to the beat of different drums.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/23/2010 10:58:06 PM

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Yep, I do. So we agree, there are leaders who aren't very good, and followers who aren't very good. The difference in our stated opinions, though, is I'm not making blanket statements about who is or is not a good (insert whatever, here), based on a few comments on a message board.

Sure your not directly pointing anyone out but your still thinking the same thing. I'm just speaking up about what I think.

For the record...It's years of comments that I base those statements on.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/23/2010 11:10:40 PM

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What seems to be going on these days is an attempt to redefine terms so people can all fit into a "box" which then they can resist against and protest to those who say..Hey, you fit here...or in this case..Don't fit in....Don't you dare tell me I don't fit into a box I refuse to label myself with to begin with..I'm liable to get upset! lol

*Insert marching song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxNX_PRqhCQ

The marching song was for all of those rats trying to break free :>..Yes I do dance to a different beat at times I suppose and yes maybe a different one than you do.

Ya missed some important content by quoting a smaller bit so I added the whole thing. I'm not sure you know what i meant by what i said.

And Red.....I'm not sure where people get this passive/aggressive bit from...Not that we all don't have both sides at times....I promise you though..my aggressive side is out way more than my passive side lol.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/24/2010 2:05:55 AM

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something over which i have no control like my personality.

personality: the totality of somebody's attitudes, interests, behavioural patterns, emotional responses, social roles, and other individual traits that endure over long periods of time

personality is all about yourself... i have quite some control over my personality
i can make choices... and if something about me needs changing, ultimately only i have the power really.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/24/2010 3:43:39 AM

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This is anther one of those phrases I was talking about. Has my dominance ever been contingent on another? No. I lead because I'm natural at it. I look for opportunities to do so and embrace them when they come around.

Ah ha, so you admit you don't always lead. Therefore we could now point fingers at you, as you have at us, and say you aren't a natural leader because you don't always lead. You don't tell your dentist what to do, he tells you what is needed. And so on.

If you can only lead when the situation presents itself, then that is exactly the same as us saying we can only submit when the situation presents itself. We simply have different criteria as to what is needed to have it be the right situation. And that is appropriate because we are different people. Interestingly enough, for many of us what is needed to be the right situation is that the man have a high degree of empathy something you apparently lack from your repeated comments that show you do not understand why we don't all submit to every domineering asshat we meet.

More importantly, you do the op an injustice. She came asking for help, and you've pretty much told her because it isn't easy for her that she isn't a twue submittive and ought to abandon her relationship. And for that, you owe her an apology. You have been the antithesis of helpful.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/24/2010 5:53:26 AM

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Ah ha, so you admit you don't always lead. Therefore we could now point fingers at you, as you have at us, and say you aren't a natural leader because you don't always lead. You don't tell your dentist what to do, he tells you what is needed. And so on.

If you can only lead when the situation presents itself, then that is exactly the same as us saying we can only submit when the situation presents itself. We simply have different criteria as to what is needed to have it be the right situation. And that is appropriate because we are different people. Interestingly enough, for many of us what is needed to be the right situation is that the man have a high degree of empathy something you apparently lack from your repeated comments that show you do not understand why we don't all submit to every domineering asshat we meet.

More importantly, you do the op an injustice. She came asking for help, and you've pretty much told her because it isn't easy for her that she isn't a twue submittive and ought to abandon her relationship. And for that, you owe her an apology. You have been the antithesis of helpful.

Sorry, no Ah Ha moment for you this time.

I don't always lead because I don't get that chance for some reason but since I have the mindset that drives me to do so...I will and do take charge because most people I've come into contact with don't have what it takes.

This is another one of my sayings concerning work but it bleeds over to a majority of things in life. "Plenty of people work but not many know how to work" Plenty submit but not many know how. You can go about life doing nice things for others but that doesn't constitute submitting...submitting to me is actually giving your will over to another and having the mindset...Plenty will say they do this but inside it's just not true.

I decide when I need to apologize not you.

I don't suppose I've ever said a person has to submit to every person they meet..That would be silly. What I have said has been directed towards relationships...Those where people are beginning and especially those that are well on their way.

Submission isn't about what you do as far as I'm concerned but how you approach what you do.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/24/2010 5:56:15 AM

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To Icarys:
Many seem to embrace the fantasy of a total 24/7 Master/slave relationship without truly understanding the dynamics and responsibilities involved. What if she's home alone and there is a fire...is she supposed to call you up and ask to call the fire department? I bet not. I bet you have an understanding that in an emergency, you sub is allowed to think for herself. Guess what? You just delegated some authority and she is no longer that 100% submissive you so crave.

As I have said before, there are degrees of dominance and submission. I don't believe anyone is 100% submissive or 100% dominant, human personalities are far too complex for that to be true.

However, it has been my experience that anyone who claims to be 100% submissive or 100% dominant has something they are trying to prove.

Any submissive who has responsibilities outside of being a total 24/7 slave needs some authority delegated back to her so she can take care of her responsibilities (go to work, get the kids off to school, make sure the cat's flea meds are on schedule, whatever).

If you are secure in your dominance, it is entirely unnecessary to have 100% authority and control all the time. You can feel free to delegate some of that power back to the submissive, because you know the second you do want control, power, authority, you've got it.

As always, just my (never humble) opinion.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/24/2010 6:26:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

What seems to be going on these days is an attempt to redefine terms so people can all fit into a "box" which then they can resist against and protest to those who say..Hey, you fit here...or in this case..Don't fit in....Don't you dare tell me I don't fit into a box I refuse to label myself with to begin with..I'm liable to get upset! lol

Actually I think that's been going on a long time. I know in the past I was very guilty of trying to fit myself into a box - actually, I was trying to live by a definition, and I squeezed and pulled and stuffed myself - kinda like Cinderella's step sisters trying to fit into her shoe. But in the end, the box became so small that no amount of morphing myself could keep me in it. (Break out into "I gotta be me").

Personally (as it even says on my profile) - I don't care about labels, or boxes (I'm claustrophobic, for god's sake). I don't care if others think I fit in one, and I don't care if others (such as yourself) say I don't fit in one. It really is ok. What I know is what Mr Man and I have is on a different planet than anything either of us has experienced in past relationships, and it's working for us, and I do what he says, and we adore each other.

So it's OK that you want to take one of my comments and lump it into "a common phrase used as an excuse to retain control." I find stuff like that amusing, since it's so ridiculously far from the truth. But then I don't need to justify who and what I am, and how I submit. He knows. I know. Who else needs to know? Oh yeah, no one.

This has been interesting. For what it's worth, thanks.

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*Insert marching song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxNX_PRqhCQ

Cool song, actually, but it reflects your continued negativity expressed here. Whether you realize it or not, or intend it or not, you are coming across as really bitter.

quote:

The marching song was for all of those rats trying to break free :>..Yes I do dance to a different beat at times I suppose and yes maybe a different one than you do.

I prefer funk and disco for dancing.

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Ya missed some important content by quoting a smaller bit so I added the whole thing. I'm not sure you know what i meant by what i said.

Maybe I didn't. Maybe I only wanted to address the part I quoted.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/24/2010 6:33:45 AM

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I apologise in advance for the quick hijack

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Then I read something about clean the fridge bitch and wonder what I woulda been ordered to do with the produce.

You could try this

Back on topic ...... historically I have struggled with obedience initially however looking back I think it was because the men were not a good fit for me and vice versa. I wanted to submit to them and I tried very hard however I never simply could just "be".

I am with someone at the moment and whilst I may not know where the relationship is going nor if it will last for long I am experiencing just how simple it can be to obey. He tells me to do something and I do so without question. Now it helps that he is not into micromanagement and he does not interfere with my career but I think part of it was also about me acknowledging that at some stage I had to let go of my fears and just do and be.

For someone so used to being in total control of my life and fiercely independent this has been a challenge but each time I obey and he is pleased it gives me the desire to please him more hence I find obeying the next time even easier.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/24/2010 6:48:29 AM

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You can go about life doing nice things for others but that doesn't constitute submitting...submitting to me is actually giving your will over to another and having the mindset...Plenty will say they do this but inside it's just not true.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

quote:

Ah ha, so you admit you don't always lead. Therefore we could now point fingers at you, as you have at us, and say you aren't a natural leader because you don't always lead. You don't tell your dentist what to do, he tells you what is needed. And so on.

If you can only lead when the situation presents itself, then that is exactly the same as us saying we can only submit when the situation presents itself. We simply have different criteria as to what is needed to have it be the right situation. And that is appropriate because we are different people. Interestingly enough, for many of us what is needed to be the right situation is that the man have a high degree of empathy something you apparently lack from your repeated comments that show you do not understand why we don't all submit to every domineering asshat we meet.

More importantly, you do the op an injustice. She came asking for help, and you've pretty much told her because it isn't easy for her that she isn't a twue submittive and ought to abandon her relationship. And for that, you owe her an apology. You have been the antithesis of helpful.

Sorry, no Ah Ha moment for you this time.
I don't always lead because I don't get that chance for some reason but since I have the mindset that drives me to do so...I will and do take charge because most people I've come into contact with don't have what it takes.

This is another one of my sayings concerning work but it bleeds over to a majority of things in life. "Plenty of people work but not many know how to work" Plenty submit but not many know how. You can go about life doing nice things for others but that doesn't constitute submitting...submitting to me is actually giving your will over to another and having the mindset...Plenty will say they do this but inside it's just not true.

I decide when I need to apologize not you.

I don't suppose I've ever said a person has to submit to every person they meet..That would be silly. What I have said has been directed towards relationships...Those where people are beginning and especially those that are well on their way.

Submission isn't about what you do as far as I'm concerned but how you approach what you do.

I agree with the statement in red wholeheartedly. That you say you have the mindset does not mean you do. However, my point (along with many others) is that this mindset is not merely a knee jerk response b/c someone I don't even know decides he wants to dom me. If you do not know me, love me, and are not willing to prove to me that you have my best interests at heart, there is a huge limit to how much submission you will get from me. I need to trust that someone will make the right choices for us as a couple. And I can't do that overnight, or in two weeks, or in two months. That kind of trust takes time to build. There are no shortcuts.

I think Icarys has expected instant submission, and in the end realized he didn't get it. Perhaps b/c he did not take the time to build a proper foundation? Oh, gee whiz, who knew?

In a real relationship (one with a foundation of love and trust) the dominant gets the quality and depth of submission he/she engenders.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/24/2010 10:24:29 AM

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I think Icarys has expected instant submission, and in the end realized he didn't get it. Perhaps b/c he did not take the time to build a proper foundation? Oh, gee whiz, who knew?

I think you presume and assume too much and don't have the skills to pull that off.

I have never said in any of my posts nor eluded to the idea that I want instant submission. People have attached all sorts of ideas to me and most of them are so far off base and laughable that for humors sake I rarely say anything in response to it. What I'm talking about may be beyond your understanding I guess. It's the depth at which a persons submission dwells within them that makes or breaks the idea of them being submissive to me.

The core of who a person is will be reflected in their personality..their actions...what they choose to say or not to say...right down to the words they type.

Let's not forget the attitudes that they display.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/24/2010 10:33:13 AM

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Cool song, actually, but it reflects your continued negativity expressed here. Whether you realize it or not, or intend it or not, you are coming across as really bitter.

I'm not bitter but you will see what you want to. What I am doing is stating my beliefs and opinions about some of the bullshit that's flung on occasion. I'm not saying I don't get emotional about a topic ever but I don't get involved as much as many might like to believe.

Oh and I do love that song.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/24/2010 11:08:16 AM

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Cool song, actually, but it reflects your continued negativity expressed here. Whether you realize it or not, or intend it or not, you are coming across as really bitter.

I'm not bitter but you will see what you want to. What I am doing is stating my beliefs and opinions about some of the bullshit that's flung on occasion. I'm not saying I don't get emotional about a topic ever but I don't get involved as much as many might like to believe.

Oh and I do love that song.

You must be bitter and negative since it is the only explanation for the personal attacks you throw around to women on the boards.

You must be emotional because no one with any class would resort to the name calling and low blows you attempt to insult those who disagree with you.

Try taking a look at your body of posts and see if I am not correct. Your bitterness spews out in your words and attitude.

However, I am sure you will not see your own behavior for what it is. Calling other people's views bullshit is a sign of immaturity.

Any time anyone states an opinion, whether you agree with it or not, you personally attack them. You are unable to debate intelligently.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/24/2010 11:12:16 AM

juliaoceania

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Let's not forget the attitudes that they display.

One of the most dominant things about my ex was that he never attempted to judge other women's submissiveness. His thought was that if he wasn't dominating them it shouldn't matter to him if they thought they were submissive or not. I really admired that about him. I do not think you could find one post in his 1000s of postings that denigrated a female submissive on this board.

That is my idea of dominance.

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RE: Obeying isnt 1 +1 - 9/24/2010 11:29:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Let's not forget the attitudes that they display.

One of the most dominant things about my ex was that he never attempted to judge other women's submissiveness. His thought was that if he wasn't dominating them it shouldn't matter to him if they thought they were submissive or not. I really admired that about him. I do not think you could find one post in his 1000s of postings that denigrated a female submissive on this board.

That is my idea of dominance.

That has nothing to do with dominance and everything to do with your ideal Man.

I've seen you go at people of both genders as well.

It's just an opinion.. I don't see the problem with someone saying what I've said unless your unsure of who you are in that area? I'm confident enough to hear these barbs without it causing any damage whatsoever to my self-esteem.

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