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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 10:37:08 AM   
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Then you obviously have not been following the line of debate between Rich and myself and, instead, jumped into the middle without understanding the discussion. Perhaps next time, you may want to read a bit more before doing so.

I ask you this: are you the only two people having a conversation? Someone made a comment I commented on it: the end.

The comment I made wasn't even directed at you but like a rabid dog frothing at the mouth you felt the need to go on the offensive.

You made a silly comment then to cover that you made another stupid comment and now we are getting into a thread ethics debate.

How fun.


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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 10:40:10 AM   
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Not since they introduced forensic psychologists

We know you are guilty because we can read your mind through the wacky art of psychology.

Also add to this other kinds of 'expert witnesses' that for the most part are just guessing based on their limited experience in the field.

Evidence in the court context used to mean something physical such as an eyewitness report, DNA or finger prints. Now it's just a load of conjecture dressed up as expert opinion. You may as well just ask the experts who is guilty and dispense with the jury.


This is what you said, after Rich posted his reply to me. A reply based solely upon the Petterson trial.

If you cant follow a discussion, why bother posting?

ETA

My reply to you brings it back to the OP, which was murder vs adultry. The OP was speaking of how wrong was it to convict someone to death for adultry. The conversation turned to death penalties, which wasnt even the OP's discussion point... but there ya go.

So, tell us all.. which do you prefer? Forensic science to determine guilt or innocence or a religious law?

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 10:44:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not having a conversation with you so therefore I don't have to follow your personal conversation. If I had you on block you wouldn't even be visible so what would I do then??? Are you saying that people that have people on block can't comment because they can't follow your personal conversation? Are you not familiar with the term multithreading: the idea that more than one thing can happen at a time?

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 10:47:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Which makes putting someone in ignore during a debate rather silly, doesnt it. Not like you can click a button on someone's head you are debating off these boards and have them suddenly muted. Nor would i even begin to enter a debate i didnt understand or one i couldnt see or hear all the information being presented.

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 10:52:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		The point is there is no law saying my comments have to be related to a chain of conversation as dictated by a poster that thinks the conversation must follow the path they set out. The poster replied to you, I commented on that. Direct your discussion at him because mine was limited to what he said not what you said before it.

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 10:52:50 AM   
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Typical.

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 10:58:26 AM   
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Pops you need to read more.


DYB, they could put two blood samples in a blender and still get two dna samples from it. Do you think the two sets of dna would "merge" with each other or something?
"Hey wait a minute! O.J. and Mark Furman didn't do this crime! This is BILL CLINTON's dna!


Pops, DNA isn't like a set of car keys. You put it in a blender and it is going to break down.


You put DNA in a blender, it does NOT break down.  The only thing that will break it down is extreme time or chemical attack. 


Wrong, try googling it at least before pulling the answer out of your ass. So they blend while extracting? LOL...come on man


I used to do DNA extractions and run gels when I was in grad school.  First the tissue is minced (unless you are working with single celled stuff.  Then, it is ground much more finely than a blender can possibly do so, THEN, it is ultrasonicated, Then Centrifuged.

I have done the work.  YOU might not want to talk out YOUR ass

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 11:28:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		But not blendered correct? Look it up. Just know what I read. Course everyone else could be wrong and you could be right? Who knows

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 11:32:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/labs/extraction/howto/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_extraction

http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/research_methods/genomics/dnaext.html

http://library.thinkquest.org/19037/dna_extraction.html

http://www.protocol-online.org/prot/Molecular_Biology/DNA/DNA_Extraction___Purification/index.html

http://biowww.net/detail-1353.html

Half dozen DNA extraction protocols here.  All either use a blender or more severe grinding as an initial step to extract the DnA.  One uses liquid nitrogen and a mortar and pestle.

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 11:42:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		How did they extract the saliva samples from the envelopes that twat from Sunderland who was claiming to be the Yorkshire Ripper wasted a lot of police time by sticking foolish letters in?

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 11:53:23 AM   
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How did they extract the saliva samples from the envelopes that twat from Sunderland who was claiming to be the Yorkshire Ripper wasted a lot of police time by sticking foolish letters in?


When you have a tiny sample, you grind it as above and sonicate in a buffer to release the DNA.  Then, there is a neat little enzyme called "DNA Plymerase".  Add that and mixed single nucleotides and the enzyme will make a multitude of exact copies of the few strands that were originally extracted.  This is called "amplification".

After the DNA is amplified, you toss in a "Restriction enzyme"  This breaks the strand every place a certain nucleotide sequence can be found. For instance every time the sequence "CCGTTCGTA" appears.  This will make a bunch of chunks of different lengths.  Since everyone has different DNA, everyone will have slightly different sizes of chunks. 
Use a micropipette to squirt a few microliters of the broken up DNA into the well of an electropheresis gel and turn on a slight DC current.  The chunks will migrate thru the gel in inverse proportion to their mass.  (smaller chunks go farther).  After a certain period, usually 24 hours, the gel can be examined and photographed under a UV light.

That, folks, is DNA analysis in a nutshell.

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 12:01:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you. That's very clear.
Probably won't shut people up talking about mixing bloodstains with butcher's scraps to hide the traces, mind...

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 12:05:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's oversimplified but you get the idea.  The whole process takes a few days.

As for mixing stuff together, a good lab tech could take 4 people's blood, a deer liver, a cow intestine and some bacteria and (now this would take a coupla weeks) identify ALL of them.

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 3:30:55 PM   
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You are assuming that DNA testing is always done correctly. Real World it isn't. Add to that the obvious bias against people of Color in the Court system and guess what? We are burnt a hell of a lot more than you are. Death Penalty? No thanks.
I get why you feel the way you do.  If I was a young black man, I might be angry as hell, looking at the injustices of the past few decades, hell I might  be carrying signs that said kill whitey-who the hell knows.

But I can only see things through my eyes, those of a 48 yo white chick from Georgia, who amazingly has been touched closely by murder 2 times in her life.  Twice for someone as normal (hahaha) as me is freaky.

The killers I wish the most could be put to death are 2 white dudes and 1 black dude.  If that matters. 

I have changed my mind about the death penalty as I have gotten older.  Knowing someone who is brutally murdered for no fucking reason at all sealed my opinion for good.  There is no doubt these 3 are guilty, there is evidence to prove it and they all admit to their crimes.  Why must I (we) pay for them to have 3 squares and a cot and tv and breath.  To me, it is bullshit and totally wrong.

To you, it obviously is not.  I get that, really.  This is a difficult subject.

Now, do ya think a chick should be stoned to death for getting a lil dick on the side?



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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 6:50:20 PM   
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Well silly me, Tazzy. Here I was thinking the "evidence" is supposed to actually establish something in a trial...

Have a great day, Tazzy


That DNA evidence DID establish something... the bodies of Laci and her baby. Ask the family what that was worth to them.

You tend to get snarky... alot... when you are proven wrong.



That's not me getting snarky, Tazzy. That's just a touch of sarcasm.

It's interesting how you move the bar though. Suddenly we've gone from you trying to make a hair into DNA evidence of Scott Peterson's guilt into bringing up how DNA was used to positively identify the bodies, which takes us even further from talking about the lack of direct, physical evidence, of his guilt.

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/23/2010 6:55:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		RE: the Peterson case. the DNA evidence was solid BUT her hair on his boat? Face it, as a previous poster said, married people share cooties. What settled it in my mind, though, was him trying to disguise himself and bail out of the country and his subsequent suicide. Innocent people (and smart guilty people) dont run.

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/24/2010 6:59:04 AM   
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http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/labs/extraction/howto/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_extraction

http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/research_methods/genomics/dnaext.html

http://library.thinkquest.org/19037/dna_extraction.html

http://www.protocol-online.org/prot/Molecular_Biology/DNA/DNA_Extraction___Purification/index.html

http://biowww.net/detail-1353.html

Half dozen DNA extraction protocols here.  All either use a blender or more severe grinding as an initial step to extract the DnA.  One uses liquid nitrogen and a mortar and pestle.


Fuck me. Dude was saying DNA itself not tissue for fucks sakes.

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/24/2010 7:01:03 AM   
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You are assuming that DNA testing is always done correctly. Real World it isn't. Add to that the obvious bias against people of Color in the Court system and guess what? We are burnt a hell of a lot more than you are. Death Penalty? No thanks.
I get why you feel the way you do.  If I was a young black man, I might be angry as hell, looking at the injustices of the past few decades, hell I might  be carrying signs that said kill whitey-who the hell knows.

But I can only see things through my eyes, those of a 48 yo white chick from Georgia, who amazingly has been touched closely by murder 2 times in her life.  Twice for someone as normal (hahaha) as me is freaky.

The killers I wish the most could be put to death are 2 white dudes and 1 black dude.  If that matters. 

I have changed my mind about the death penalty as I have gotten older.  Knowing someone who is brutally murdered for no fucking reason at all sealed my opinion for good.  There is no doubt these 3 are guilty, there is evidence to prove it and they all admit to their crimes.  Why must I (we) pay for them to have 3 squares and a cot and tv and breath.  To me, it is bullshit and totally wrong.

To you, it obviously is not.  I get that, really.  This is a difficult subject.

Now, do ya think a chick should be stoned to death for getting a lil dick on the side?




True everyone has their thing.

Stoned fuck yes. Best way to fuck ain't it? LOL

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/24/2010 7:02:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		And where do you think DNA comes from? Little sprinkles from fairies maybe? They just pick it up with tweezers?

Dumbass.

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RE: Murder vs. Adultery - 9/24/2010 7:04:18 AM   
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And where do you think DNA comes from? Little sprinkles from fairies maybe? They just pick it up with tweezers?

Dumbass.


Not sure but betting someone pumped a load up your ass last night lol

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