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cattle prod - 9/22/2010 5:07:52 AM

Loftguy

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i have been in an ongoing negotations with a Master Whom i am seriously considering an LTR that would be a TPE. There is, for me, one big area of concern.

Master owns 2 cattle prods that are an older style with the prods appox. 3/4'' apart. Supposedly this results in a more localized and less severe shock than the newer models.

i have never experienced a cattle prod and electrical play has always been scary to me. i have used the SEARCH function to read previous posts on the subject and i am still fearful.

The potential Master has offered to agree to some limitations on the use of the cattle prod but, as it is enjoyable 'play' to Him, neither He, nor i, want to totally eliminate its use.

Arrangements are in the works for a 30 day trial visit with the following choices given to me:

"Let me try a new way I will give you some choices. All below the waist.

1. touched a total of 10 times, no more than 2 the first week and the rest within the last few days.

2. touched twice total my choice of when.

3. No cattle prod at all.

They are in my choice order of course, I think if you pick the last one it is a mistake because even after the month we will still have this outstanding issue."

Option #3 is out as i would not be the slave the Master is seeking, nor could i be an acceptable slave for Him.

Option #2 would enable me to experience the cattle prod whilst only having to have two times, but then, there is the risk factor of electrical play. Then if the shocks weren't that bad, i could always risk topping from the bottom and request that Master go to Option #1.

Option #1 is where i commmitt to a total of 10 shocks during the 30 day trial visit. Two shocks during the first week, then 8 more during the last few days. The latter is really scary though Master does say:

"Remember, this is a huge trust issue, I am not looking for someone to use my prod on I am looking for someone to own. If you pick 1. and those first two touches are just too much for you. What to you think I am going to do the last few days, exercise my option or try to complete my desire to own a slave. For me this is not about one narrow fetish or SM toy it is about the TPE and owning a slave."

And, of course, whilst 'below the waist' does somewhat minimize the risk of heart stoppage, it does leave the possibility of genital or anal shocks should Master choose.

As Master rightly says, "...this is a huge trust issue." Has anyone else experience cattle prod usage? What recommendations/suggestions are there?

Thank s to all,

lg

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RE: cattle prod - 9/22/2010 5:13:05 AM

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I don't have experience with cattle prods, but I do with electrical play.

Ultimately, in my opinion, I don't think the issue has anything to do with cattle prods. It has to do with something you are fearful about. And as you point out, it has to do with trust.

In a situation like this, I don't think it's going to require 10 attempts to figure out how you stand on this. Do you? After the first time, you'll have a far better understanding of what you are facing.

Good luck.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/22/2010 5:13:34 AM

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I'd go with NO prod. Cattle prods are designed for COWS.. I am assuming you weigh less than 8-1200 lbs.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/22/2010 9:33:51 AM

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You don't demand someone eliminate a limit before you've earned the trust required to get them past the fear. He's going about it wrong. First you establish a solid relationship. After a couple of years you start with the mildest electric play; violet want or tens or flyswatter - whichever of those is the easiest to try. If the easiest is acceptable then you eventually work up to the next one and so on.

So what happens if you go, he does this to you and you say no fucking way can I ever go through that again? He drops you like a hot potato? Since this is a very likely reaction, my advice would be to say that if the toy is more important to him then you are, you would be better to end the relationship now.

Or let him play at dungeons with others who are willing to experience a cattle prod. I wouldn't agree to a tpe with someone who has already announced his expectation of breaking your hard limit.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/22/2010 10:46:34 AM

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As a joke once, long ago while in a feed store, someone touched me on the butt with a cattle prod. Let's just say its definately NOT my thing. If you are curious I'd go for Opt 2. But, if it was me, I would go with Opt 3 - NO Cattle Prod.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/22/2010 11:19:40 AM

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I'd go with Option #3.

If someone was asking me to push my hard limits like that, I would not consider them as a Master. It seems to me he is demonstrating power play, and not Mastery. M/s is based on trust, for both parties. He is not earning your trust by forcing you.  In fact, it is likely you will develop resentment. Not a good way to start any relationship, much less a M/s relationship.

You said you are considering him for TPE.  If he's pushing you at this point about this, are you sure you will be comfortable with that?

I agree with Des...start simple. Graduate to each new level. You would be earning his trust by proving you are willing to overcome your fears for him. You're merely requesting patience.  He would be earning your trust by working with you, and not forcing you.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/22/2010 12:48:30 PM

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Regardless of your options, how can you have a limit if you've never experienced something? I've always had an agreement with my dominant. I'll try anything, as long as you do as well.

As far as cattle prods go. I've been hit with them. We don't own one personally. For me, getting hit say in a fatty area is less painful than getting hit where there is nothing but skin and bone. They have produced a welt on my shin in less than a few minutes. Where when I've been hit in the butt it is a shock but bearable.

Also the way the user uses the prod makes a huge difference. They have a trigger on them. If you hold it down for a while it seems to charge up. While if you just quickly hit it..the shock is less severe.

If you are into electrical play you may just like it. We are, I'd endure it but it wouldn't be my favorite type of play either. Cattle prods would never be on my short list.

If he knows it is a huge trust issue. Why not build your trust first? Show you he cares before he shows you he doesn't care at all? We tend to open up and try new things when we are with people whom we know don't want to just hurt us.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/22/2010 1:06:15 PM

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Option 4 - internal anal prodding is restricted to once an hour

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RE: cattle prod - 9/22/2010 1:52:02 PM

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My Sir had a new one - and the first time he touched me with it, i burst into tears. That hadn't ever happened before with ANYTHING he used on me before. I don't like electrical play, but the cattle prod was a whole new level.

I think you need to try it and form your own opinion. and go from there.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/22/2010 3:06:48 PM

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why not just let him try it one time with no committements other than that and if he don't like it, toough tittie; or, you offer to let him try it one time on you after he has applied it to himself first, to show you what to expect

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RE: cattle prod - 9/22/2010 5:49:30 PM

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I agree with you daddysliloneds,

Why does this relationship have to be long term from day one? Why TPE from the get-go, when there is so much anxiety? Why not a little play session with the prod first?

It's my feeling that this potential master is testing the OP. The master wants proof of trust by manipulation and bullying rather than slowly and naturally. And unless the OP's into pain, the congruence will never be there.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/22/2010 6:26:04 PM

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If you are a dominant and you focus all your efforts on something specific like a "cattle prod", you are allowing your fantasy to control you.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/22/2010 6:55:01 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds
why not just let him try it one time with no committements other than that and if he don't like it, toough tittie; or, you offer to let him try it one time on you after he has applied it to himself first, to show you what to expect

This. The game playing aside, it's ridiculous that you be required to agree to a certain number of times above ONE to see if you can handle something you're afraid of. Try it ONCE if you'd like, though personally, I would never until I'd known someone for quite a while.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/22/2010 9:27:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Twoshoes

If you are a dominant and you focus all your efforts on something specific like a "cattle prod", you are allowing your fantasy to control you.

Quoted for a fabulous answer. And seriously, I am open but catttle prods? Oh hell no, never happening.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/22/2010 10:57:01 PM

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It's a well known fact that cattle prods lack finesse anyway.

Edit: My mind refused to connect cattle prod with sexy.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/23/2010 6:01:44 PM

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If this was a person I am beginning a new relationship with and he insisted on pushing a hard limit right away...then I would be saying "see ya" on the spot. In my mind a true Master would never put me in such a position until we have developed trust between us.
If he had my trust then I would try the hard limit at least once.
I want a master in control of his fetishes .....not one being controlled by them.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/26/2010 7:50:11 PM

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Well, see, I see the words "one big area of concern."
That doesn't look to me like it's exactly a hard limit, you're just quite afraid of it. Unfortunately, I don't know who the guy is, and a cattle prod sounds rather painful. All in all, how much do you trust that he'll stop if you don't like it? How much do you trust that he's looking for a sub, and therefore someone to be with, instead of just fulfilling a fetish? If he truly wants a person, and not some fetish relief, then I say that option 1 is good. If you don't like it, and he's a good person, a good master, then he shouldn't use it again.

Then again, I'm coming from a household where #1 priority is that I'm happy.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/26/2010 8:35:33 PM

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I've been abused (by [former] friends no less) with a device that cause electrical shock a couple times, the guy called it a cattle prod but it looked more like a stun gun (no, not a taser, tasers shoot the barbs at a short distance, stun guns are the close-contact devices). There's the initial shock, but after that I don't recall being in any pain, just a lot of surprise. If your master shocks your privates or abdomen do be prepared to lose bladder and/or bowel control, especially under the surprise of the first time it's done to you.

Also, I have no idea what the safe amperage is (I'm pretty sure you can take any number of volts as long as the amperage is low, or perhaps I got that the other way around and it's the voltage you need to worry about). And make sure you get your ticker checked by your doctor before you start experimenting with electro-play, hopefully you already thought of this.

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RE: cattle prod - 9/27/2010 1:10:56 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Option 4 - internal anal prodding is restricted to once an hour

Sadistic man you are RS, so sadistic... I like it lol

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RE: cattle prod - 9/27/2010 6:45:44 AM

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quote:

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It's a well known fact that cattle prods lack finesse anyway.

Yeah, yeah, but there are times finesse is vastly over-rated.
A little straightforward brutality can oft be a wonderful thing.

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