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rulemylife -> Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 3:41:04 PM)

I have mixed feelings on the death penalty, but my question here is why there is such a double standard in our justice system and in public opinion toward holding women accountable for crimes in the same manner as men.

We have this enormous outcry over the execution of a ruthless murderer who had her husband and his son killed so she could collect on the insurance money.

Why is this scumbag being portrayed as the victim?



Va. woman, out of options, nears execution


The 41-year-old woman, who defense attorneys say is borderline mentally disabled, inspired other inmates by singing Christian hymns in prison. Now she's out of options, about to become the first woman to be executed in the U.S. in five years — a fate that has drawn appeals from the European Union, an indignant rebuke from Iran and the disgust of thousands of people.

......Throughout her life, a faith in God has been a seeming constant for Lewis — whether it was the prayer with her husband or her ministry behind bars.

But by her own admission, Lewis' life has been marked by outrageous bouts of sex and betrayal even as she hewed the trappings of Christianity.

"I was doing drugs, stealing, lying and having several affairs during my marriages," Lewis wrote in a statement that was read at a prison religious service in August. "I went to church every Sunday, Friday and revivals but guess what? I didn't open my Bible at home, only when I was at church."

Her father said she ran off to get married, then later abandoned her children and ran off with her sister's husband. Then she had an affair with her sister's fiance' while at the same time having an affair with another man.

Lewis' life took a deadly turn after she married Julian Clifton Lewis Jr., whom she met at a Danville textile factory in 2000. Two years later, Julian Lewis' son Charles entered the U.S. Army Reserve. When he was called for active duty he obtained a $250,000 life insurance policy, naming his father the beneficiary and providing temptation for Teresa Lewis.

Both men would have to die for Lewis to receive the insurance payout.

She met the two men who ultimately killed Julian Lewis and his son at a Walmart. Lewis began an affair with Matthew Shallenberger and later had sex with the other triggerman, Rodney Fuller. She also arranged sex with Fuller and her daughter, who was 16, in a parking lot.

On the night before Halloween in 2002, after she prayed with her husband, Lewis got out of bed, unlocked the door and put the couple's pit bull in a bedroom so the animal wouldn't interfere with the killings that were to come.

Shallenberger and Fuller came in and shot both men several times with the shotguns Lewis had bought for them.

Even now, when she talks about that night, she casts her actions as a deeply felt spiritual tug-of-war — which she lost. "Well the night of my crime I had Jesus telling me not to let this happen and then the Devil telling me do it," she wrote in the prison testimonial.

Despite the sins she fully acknowledged, Lewis' execution has stirred an unusual outcry — more than 7,300 appeals to the governor — in a state that is second only to Texas in the number of people it executes.








willbeurdaddy -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 4:26:35 PM)

Since Tookie Williams was portrayed as the victim by the anti-DP crowd why would this surprise you?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 4:48:39 PM)

I had an aunt that worked as a parole officer. She said "Jesus MUST be in prison because everyone that goes there finds him"


(sarcasm ok)




lazarus1983 -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 5:32:28 PM)

Oh c'mon, this country LOVES victims. If you can portray yourself as a victim of SOMETHING, then you can escape responsibility for your actions and wallow in sympathy.

And it doesn't mean a goddamn thing how many hymns she sings in prison. Inmates love religion in prison simply because it's there. I've had inmates flip out because they couldn't go to the library for a day. When you have nothing, what little you do have is of paramount importance. When you go to the chapel, you get to hang out with volunteers that don't treat you like inmates. My favorite are inmates that sign up for any and every religious service there is.

She's a piece o' shit, and the fact that she's going to religious services in prison means absolutely dick.




slvemike4u -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 6:07:01 PM)

I don't like the state executing prisoners on general grounds....."borderline mentally retarded" is just one more reason to decry what is quite simply state sanctioned murder.




lazarus1983 -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 6:18:03 PM)

That ridiculously vague statement came from her defense attorneys. It could literally mean anything. And if she did have some kind of mental handicap, then she would be in Virginia's equivalent of a Chronic Mental Health unit, NOT in mainline where they have religious services with other inmates.

A person that's borderline mentally disabled, again whatever that even means, probably can't mastermind the plot to kill her husband and son for some money.




TheHeretic -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 6:37:14 PM)

According to Yahoo's AP feed, justice has been served on this vile woman.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 6:43:10 PM)

May her soul and especially those of her victims rest in peace




slvemike4u -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 6:50:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lazarus1983

That ridiculously vague statement came from her defense attorneys. It could literally mean anything. And if she did have some kind of mental handicap, then she would be in Virginia's equivalent of a Chronic Mental Health unit, NOT in mainline where they have religious services with other inmates.

A person that's borderline mentally disabled, again whatever that even means, probably can't mastermind the plot to kill her husband and son for some money.
"mastermind the plot" ? What fucking plot? She slept with 2 idiots,bought them a shotgun/s....and left a door unlocked.The only stroke of genius here was placing the dog in a spare room and remembering to shut the door.
Surely you are not suggesting this was the work of a criminal mastermind?.
The state of West Virginia just commited state sanctioned murder.....are we safer as a result?Does anyone still believe there is any deterrence value in thier having done so?




TheHeretic -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 6:55:56 PM)

Who cares if it's a deterrent, Mike? It was the right punishment for the crime.

I understand we aren't going to agree on this.




slvemike4u -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 7:02:21 PM)

No Rich we aren't.So I won't bother with the litany of arguments I could put forth,the cost to the state both dollars and morality wise,the empiricle evidence that shows the death penalty to have no deterrant value...and so on and so forth..
Much simpler to just agree....to disagree.




TheHeretic -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 7:08:20 PM)

And I'll not repeat what I've been saying on other recent dp threads about our obligation to carry out the punishment necessary, or some things being worth the price, or about deterrence being nothing more than a red herring. [;)]

Right or wrong, it's a sad thing. We can share that spot, I think




slvemike4u -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 7:15:40 PM)

Yeah ...we can.




lazarus1983 -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 7:18:22 PM)

Mastermind or not, that person still had the mental faculties to put 2 and 2 together and decide that killing her family equals money. Again, that these defense attorneys claim their client is mentally disabled (not mentally retarded, as you misquoted) doesn't mean shit. They can claim all kinds of things.

Within prison there are deterrent values to the death penalty.

A particularly heinous criminal won't just stop his/her predatory tendencies once in prison. They'll prey on the other, weaker inmates. That inmate will continue to be a threat to staff and inmates alike.

One shining example of the death penalty's deterrent value is that an inmate in a neighboring state killed a corrections officer. His sentence, which was already life, was eventually commuted from the death penalty. That just told every inmate in that system that if they kill an officer, nothing will happen to them. They'll climb to the top of the food chain in prison, and if they're lifers and they haven't been institutionalized, that's very appealing.

Now if that inmate HAD been put down, that would have been a very effective deterrent.




rulemylife -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 7:26:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I don't like the state executing prisoners on general grounds....."borderline mentally retarded" is just one more reason to decry what is quite simply state sanctioned murder.

Mike, that was not the claim, it was borderline mental disability, which can mean anything.

It is a common defense tactic to claim this in death penalty cases, and when it is claimed there are psychiatric evaluations.

Having a low I.Q. does not mean you are incapable of knowing that murdering your husband and stepson is wrong.




slvemike4u -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 7:38:10 PM)

Wasn't she tested with an i.q. of 72...or was it 78?




rulemylife -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 7:46:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Wasn't she tested with an i.q. of 72...or was it 78?


Don't know.

Does it matter?

A low I.Q. doesn't mean she did not know right from wrong.

But this thread has taken the direction I feared it would.  I am on the fence about the death penalty and I did not mean for it to become a debate about that.

What I found disturbing was the focus on the fact she was a woman being executed.

A man that committed the same heinous crimes would never have received the outpouring of support that she did.




servantforuse -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 7:47:58 PM)

There is a double standard to be sure. What happens when a male school teacher has sex with a student ? What happens when a female teacher has sex with a student ? In 9 times out of 10 they will want to lock up the male and throw away the key. Women are treated a little differently for the same crime.




Zevar -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 8:00:07 PM)

Cold hearted pre-meditated murder, plain & simple.

Execute the woman!




rulemylife -> RE: Va. woman, out of options, nears execution (9/23/2010 8:00:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

There is a double standard to be sure. What happens when a male school teacher has sex with a student ? What happens when a female teacher has sex with a student ? In 9 times out of 10 they will want to lock up the male and throw away the key. Women are treated a little differently for the same crime.


No, they are treated a lot differently.

Remember Mary Kay Letourneau?

She raped a 12 year-old boy. 

A man convicted of sex with a 12 year-old girl would be sentenced to life in prison.

She spent six months in jail.

SIX MONTHS!!!!!

Then she violated her parole by having sex with him again and was only sentenced to fulfill her seven-year original sentence.








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