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RE: A Healthcare Rights Amendment - 9/26/2010 9:08:14 PM   
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Now you and other conservatives are trying to say there was deception involved which is a ridiculous and unfounded claim.


In a world full of absolutely incomprehensibly wrong opinions...

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RE: A Healthcare Rights Amendment - 9/26/2010 9:12:00 PM   
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judging from this board Im not so confident that such an asinine amendment wouldnt pass.


Remember that the posters here have in effect been screened twice for low self-esteem, which is why politically it's so "injun country". Such an amendment has no chance in the real world.

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RE: A Healthcare Rights Amendment - 9/26/2010 9:13:56 PM   
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I'd like to direct people to page 222 starting line 7. Now what I'm taking this to read is that you can either (as a doctor) A) accept the amount of cash the government will fork over. B) Not be called preferred and charge a percent over the "baseline" A will be be paid, however with a smaller baseline because you're not preferred. Or C, not participate and get paid what A is getting paid anyway..without being listed, however.

If a lawyer or someone with better understanding could clarify the language that would be great, this is an observation that seems slightly important but I won't pretend I know more then I do.

The amount the government will be paying A, I have heard, is similar to medicare. Now I know for a fact there are quite a few doctors that will turn down medicare based on the fact that they lose money on those patients.

One of the reasons we have higher health care rates in America then the rest of the world is because we are privatized, yes. But because of this we have some of the best doctors in the world. Doctors from those other countries come HERE to the USA to get money. Many of the longer lifespans of non Americans is not health-care, its lifestyle choices. We have the better doctors because they get paid more here, lets not forget this.

Lets also not forget the US's sheer size with respect to other nations. We have 50 states and a massive population compared to European nations. We can't handle our healthcare the same way. We can't make a unified system at a federal system, it cannot, will not work. We should be aiming for a British style system, if anything. Where there is universal healthcare well beyond what is being proposed, but there is also private healthcare available. I'd be willing to bet half of all Americans would use private health insurance under that system because the whole industry would be under the gun to be more efficient then the government and be cheaper and at the same time not being twisted and perverted via patched together nonsense legislation that no one wants because its been compromised on and twisted so many times. Either its too little or too much change. Its too expensive, but doesn't cover enough things.


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RE: A Healthcare Rights Amendment - 9/26/2010 9:18:37 PM   
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The repubs just love those $100 MRI's going for $1500...here. So, get ready to buck-up Chuck.


A group of us here in southern WV once looked into the idea of buying an MRI. Until we looked into it we too were convinced the profit potential was huge.
If you think you can pay for your employees, much less the machinery, maintenance, operating costs, giving $100 MRIs- buy one. Or just make up numbers and pull them out of thin air. Your choice.



< Message edited by truckinslave -- 9/26/2010 10:03:35 PM >

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RE: A Healthcare Rights Amendment - 9/26/2010 9:23:43 PM   
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That lack will change. We passed the bill. Now we're going to find out what's in it. Then we're going to suffer the unintended consequences. Maybe.

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RE: A Healthcare Rights Amendment - 9/26/2010 9:50:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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The repubs just love those $100 MRI's going for $1500...here. So, get ready to buck-up Chuck.


A group of us here in southern WV once looked into the idea of buying an MRI. Until we looked into it we too were convinced the profiy potential was huge.
If you think you can pay for your employees, much less the machinery, maintenance, operating costs, giving $100 MRIs- buy one. Or just make up numbers and pull them out of thin air. Your choice.

Head & shoulders MRI in Japan as we speak...$100. The same here...$1,500. Look it up. And we wonder why medical care in this country is fast approaching 20 cents on the dollar of the entire economy.

I have an online sub and now for 5 years in Canada. 2 years of rehab, blood tests, psychiatric help, cash assist, copd therapy and prescriptions, swimming, dancing, dietitian...shall I go on ? It has ALL...cost her nothing out of pocket. Obviously much more 'cost effective' for everybody in society. But...

This is America where no subject matter is defined by society but by the investor class. If it moves...make a profit.

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RE: A Healthcare Rights Amendment - 9/26/2010 10:07:35 PM   
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Look it up.


No. I have no idea how much of the cost of MRIs (that is, the cost of the machinery itself, the wages of the employees required, the cost of the film... ) is subsidized by the government of Japan. Nor do I care to know.

What I do know is those costs, here, in the United States, some 15 years ago.
Which is far more relevant than the cost of tea in China.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: A Healthcare Rights Amendment - 9/26/2010 10:09:04 PM   
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I have an online sub and now for 5 years in Canada. 2 years of rehab, blood tests, psychiatric help, cash assist, copd therapy and prescriptions, swimming, dancing, dietitian...shall I go on ? It has ALL...cost her nothing out of pocket


Which means, in the minds of the welfare class---- it was FREE>

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: A Healthcare Rights Amendment - 9/27/2010 1:44:09 AM   
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RE: A Healthcare Rights Amendment - 9/27/2010 11:44:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterNJ20

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

I'd like to direct people to page 222 starting line 7. Now what I'm taking this to read is that you can either (as a doctor) A) accept the amount of cash the government will fork over. B) Not be called preferred and charge a percent over the "baseline" A will be be paid, however with a smaller baseline because you're not preferred. Or C, not participate and get paid what A is getting paid anyway..without being listed, however.





Not sure where you are getting C...if you are non-participating you get nothing from the public insurance option, not the negotiated rate that A would get nor the reduced rate that B would get. You are on your own to collect whatever you want to charge.

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RE: A Healthcare Rights Amendment - 9/27/2010 9:40:32 PM   
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Remember that the posters here have in effect been screened twice for low self-esteem, which is why politically it's so "injun country". Such an amendment has no chance in the real world.
Hey...ain't you one of those double-screened poster

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RE: A Healthcare Rights Amendment - 9/28/2010 9:13:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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Now you and other conservatives are trying to say there was deception involved which is a ridiculous and unfounded claim.


In a world full of absolutely incomprehensibly wrong opinions...


Let me help you out here Neo, opinions are neither right nor wrong.

That's why there are called opinions.

Claiming something as a fact is different.


o·pin·ion
–noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

(Dictionary.com)


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