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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 5:58:40 AM

lally2

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I saw a profile that stated:

Let's start with the main points:
- You should be intelligent but want to be treated like a mindless fucktoy.

fine

- You should be extreme but discreet.

fine
- You should be classy but not above being used as a human urinal.

fine
- You should be attractive but not expect to be treated as such.

fine

- You should long to please but not expect it to be reciprocated.

fine

- You should be independent but want to be owned.

fine

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What is your take on these contradictions? As weird as it is, there is some truth in the absurdities here -- at least on a short term basis. LT my view slides towards "no way" and "unworkable."

as bald statements without extraneous details they work fine, but as with all black and white statements its hard to take them absolutely litterally on a personal level. for instance i dont expect reciprocation but i would like some. you read that list and wonder how much to believe with regard to someone expecting little or no reciprocation, little or no appreciation and reading between the lines you can see that this person is really looking for someone who has absolutely no fragility at all. being used with no appreciation or reciprocation over an extended period could get pretty bleak for me anyway.

How much can a person be split into two separate and distinct identities? How would such a duel life affect a someone?

i think there is a dualality in submission anyway - there is being used as an object and there is being enjoyed as a whole person. for me these two need a degree of balance

Is all of the above just fantasy projection?

no. it sounds like this person knows what he wants and knows its possible to find

Does this describe a healthy BDSM situation?

completely depends on the people involved and what this person is like behind his bald statements.

Let's hear you take!!

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 6:05:18 AM

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It wouldn't make a relationship but if all someone wants is to be used hard for a couple of hours as stress relief, I can see it. It wouldn't last long but that isn't what's being requested.

Now me, I prefer to have that and everything else inside of one relationship but I do know people who prefer to compartmentalize theirs.

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 6:25:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I saw a profile that stated:

Let's start with the main points:
- You should be intelligent but want to be treated like a mindless fucktoy.
- You should be extreme but discreet.
- You should be classy but not above being used as a human urinal.
- You should be attractive but not expect to be treated as such.
- You should long to please but not expect it to be reciprocated.
- You should be independent but want to be owned.

If you are these things, perhaps you can be my property.

--------

What is your take on these contradictions?

you should be intelligent but capable of being a boner with stamina
you should be up for anything but discrete
you should have style but not be afraid to do extremely dirty things to me
you should be handsome but no bleeding peacock
you should expect to be served and not fall over yourself to do something back
you should be independent without any fear of commitment to me

if you are these things perhaps you can be my owner
oh... i am such a lucky woman

< Message edited by ranja -- 9/26/2010 6:26:24 AM >

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 6:51:15 AM

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This makes me think of a particular lawyer who was my first experienced sub:

- he was a very intelligent fucktoy.
- he was extreme, and except for that one time in the garden, exceedingly discreet.
- he was a classy urinal.
- he was attractive and not conscious about it except for the time he spent on his hair.
- he longed to please but could not bear for it to be reciprocated [my first experience with this, and he would get instant sub-drop and depression if he came]
- he wasn't as independent as I like but begged to be owned.

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 8:55:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB

I like being a fucktoy frequently, and gosh golly gee am I intelligent

However. The whole not expecting reciprocal pleasure bit - not my cup of tea. This isn't my job, it's my sex life. If I'm not getting any pleasure out of it, forget it.

Ditto. I am also not into being a urinal. I am too concerned with my hair. And it would interfere with my perfume. :)

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 9:12:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Ditto. I am also not into being a urinal. I am too concerned with my hair. And it would interfere with my perfume. :)

Eau de toilette..........

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 9:16:54 AM

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I certainly hope that it is not fiction -- SR and I have resolved the status of our household into a very productive, and I think very -inviting- manner, and we're probably just a couple of weeks from putting out our own 'want list" for a new servant in the household again. After going through our own list, the description provided by cloudboy is a pretty accurate representation of what it would take to mesh well in our household. *chuckles* If it -is- a fiction... oh well, I guess we'll just do without. *smiles*

Calla

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 9:17:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Because when you're done fucking them, you have to have something else to do the other 23 hours and 58 minutes of the day.

2 minutes . . . is that from personal experience?

Not lately!

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 9:21:40 AM

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I do appreciate contrast, not only does it intensify the experience...but why would one want to own something that was lackluster?
If 24/7 or even just 'play'...it si appreciated to be with one that you can grow with, learn from or at least have a conversation without looking at the wall and wondering if you remembered to buy coffee that morning or not.

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 9:53:56 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: lally2
- You should long to please but not expect it to be reciprocated.

fine

Good catch. It's the attitude that matters.

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 11:08:45 AM

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I don't see the issue with any of this, actually. I recently said in another thread, we are not one-dimensional beings. There are a myriad of facets to ourselves, and personally speaking, I enjoy exploring all of them.

I don't see the statements as contrast; I see them as running across the board and everywhere in between.

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 1:57:52 PM

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On second thought, I have a preference for imaginative rather than intelligent.

Considering how many types of intelligence there are and how wonderfully talented most people can be, I cannot think of anyone I have excluded solely based on "intelligence".

Plus, I've realized that I'm not as intelligent as I would like.

You can often make up for it with more work, but it's not the same.

I remember the day I realized there are people who can tell you whether you can overlap 3 congruent hexagons to form 11 distinct areas in less than 30 seconds.
I had to draw the damn thing.

I also cannot read or write as efficiently as my English major of a friend. It takes me five times longer to write well - not to mention all the stupid dashes everywhere.

In any case, every time you think you're good at something, you find a video of a 10-year-old kid who does it better in his or her sleep.

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ORIGINAL: CRYPTICLXVI

it si appreciated to be with one that you can grow with, learn from or at least have a conversation without looking at the wall and wondering if you remembered to buy coffee that morning or not.

(Slightly off-topic) Many of the posters in this thread have either taught me a little something or appeared capable of "having an interesting conversation". *Wave*

You guys are probably even more intelligent than you care to let on, I'd wager.

On the other hand, you don't have to be a sub to appreciate the value of peacefully staring at a wall. Usually, some combination of exhaustion and endorphins can accomplish that for me. (Running works very predictably.)

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 3:04:18 PM

NorthernGent

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quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I saw a profile that stated:

Let's start with the main points:
- You should be intelligent but want to be treated like a mindless fucktoy.
- You should be extreme but discreet.
- You should be classy but not above being used as a human urinal.
- You should be attractive but not expect to be treated as such.
- You should long to please but not expect it to be reciprocated.
- You should be independent but want to be owned.

If you are these things, perhaps you can be my property.

--------

What is your take on these contradictions? As weird as it is, there is some truth in the absurdities here -- at least on a short term basis. LT my view slides towards "no way" and "unworkable."

How much can a person be split into two separate and distinct identities? How would such a duel life affect a someone?

Is all of the above just fantasy projection?

Does this describe a healthy BDSM situation?

Let's hear you take!!

You're talking the things you value.....

Is it so out of the ordinary to value different things at different times?

I don't believe there's a person on this planet that values 'generosity' (for example) alone at all times.

Taking a couple of your examples....

You should long to please but that should not be reciprocated

In my view that is utterly irrational. I have yet to meet any person who does not have values...things they need out of life....things they find pleasing.....what you have there is a failed relationship......unless of course you find value in the valueless...which of course would be a contradiction in terms....

You should be intelligent but want to be treated like a mindless fucktoy.

Now this is entirely different...providing you accept that there is room for a woman to hold different values at different times....which I would imagine is a human trait...in all of us.....

I want intelligent....what's the use in reading and having no one to discuss it with?.....I want mature...what's the point in wanting a peaceful existence and living with someone who can't sort out her own problems in her own head?....and I want a woman who I can use according to my desires...what's the use in taking pleasure from having a woman being at your sexual disposal and having one who wants you knocking on her door with a bunch of flowers and sweet talk?.......where's the contradiction in all of that? Different needs at different times......unless you're saying we're all very simple..and consistent creatures...with the capacity to hold only one value at all times.....

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 6:00:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian

quote:

ORIGINAL: lally2
- You should long to please but not expect it to be reciprocated.

fine

Good catch. It's the attitude that matters.

Yeah-well spotted, Lally. That's a much better way of getting around any possible contradiction than the one I came up with

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/26/2010 8:11:41 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kaliko

quote:

Let's start with the main points:
- You should be intelligent but want to be treated like a mindless fucktoy.
- You should be extreme but discreet.
- You should be classy but not above being used as a human urinal.
- You should be attractive but not expect to be treated as such.
- You should long to please but not expect it to be reciprocated.
- You should be independent but want to be owned.

Check
Check
Check
Check
Check
Check

Will you marry me ??? Smirkle

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/27/2010 6:39:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: Kana

Call it sexy librarian syndrome.

Sexy English/French teacher syndrome?
So many book reports to go over carefully...

I guess I'm really obvious and easy to read, because I swear I've never done anything inappropriate and I've been reminded to keep the office door well-open soooooooo many times.

quote:

ORIGINAL: poise

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Ditto. I am also not into being a urinal. I am too concerned with my hair. And it would interfere with my perfume. :)

Eau de toilette..........

Good priorities, IMO.

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/27/2010 8:45:48 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: poise

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Ditto. I am also not into being a urinal. I am too concerned with my hair. And it would interfere with my perfume. :)

Eau de toilette..........

LOL Good one, poise.

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/27/2010 8:49:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: Twoshoes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

Call it sexy librarian syndrome.

Sexy English/French teacher syndrome?
So many book reports to go over carefully...

I guess I'm really obvious and easy to read, because I swear I've never done anything inappropriate and I've been reminded to keep the office door well-open soooooooo many times.

quote:

ORIGINAL: poise

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Ditto. I am also not into being a urinal. I am too concerned with my hair. And it would interfere with my perfume. :)

Eau de toilette..........

Good priorities, IMO.

Any intelligent woman knows she needs to look good being a fucktoy, so yeah, my priorities are in order. :)

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/27/2010 9:04:04 AM

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What makes us hot and happy isn't logical. An extremely intelligent person may love to be objectified... the two are not mutually exclusive

Interestingly, I don't associate "objectification" with "fucktoy". I see Carol as my girl that I can enjoy fucking... the best kind of toy there is... a real life breathing woman. To me, the term simply implies my scope of freedom in enjoying her sexuality. It doesn't turn her into a Love Doll.

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RE: The intelligent "fucktoy" - fact or fiction? - 9/27/2010 5:59:04 PM

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Let's start with the main points:
- You should be intelligent but want to be treated like a mindless fucktoy.
- You should be extreme but discreet.
- You should be classy but not above being used as a human urinal.
- You should be attractive but not expect to be treated as such.
- You should long to please but not expect it to be reciprocated.
- You should be independent but want to be owned.

If you are these things, perhaps you can be my property.

If you aren't intelligent, you aren't worth my time. But a sub should surrender thoughts along with will.
Of course.
Of course.
Not sure here. If you are unattractive, you are culled out.
I disagree on this too. I think it shoud be a 2 way street. But then, pleasure takes may forms.
Of course.

It doesn't make sense, but it works.

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