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The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/26/2010 10:31:24 PM   
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Have you been reading ? Have you been learning ? The T party is coming...bitch'n mostly about their taxes and 'tak'n their...their country back.' Do we realize the dichotomy here ? What are they really thinking ? Do they really know ?

Not only did our founding fathers not revolt over taxes.., the so-called 'Boston Tea Party' was not over new taxes levied upon the people or businesses at all. That's what we now call pop-culture. Very similar to the pop-culture surrounding Paul Revere...man of the midnight ride. The man of history...who road his horse all of about 19 miles. That's equivalent to Boston to Cambridge. However it was really Isreal Bissel that road his horse, the first leg of which to Worchester...killed it. Then borrowed more and in total, covered 345 miles to inform the colonials the British were coming. The real hero of the day.

So the TV party lacks a certain attachment because the 'Tea Party in Boston not was not a civil action against newly levied taxes but what ? It was the exemption of tax relief levied by the Townshend Act 1770 meaning colonial tea merchants had to suffer what really is a tariff but they were pissed over a special tax exemption for the East India Company in 1773 they were tariff free and...paid no colonial tax on tea. It happened to be a very well-connected enterprise, in the favor of the crown (and in need of a bailout) and this act was finally too much for the colonialists to take.

New taxes had been levied 3 years earlier so it was the special tax exemption that would have knocked colonial tea merchants out of business. The Boston Tea Party was NOT over new taxes but a tax exemption. Ask the TV Partiers what they think...I bet you get a blank stare.
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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 5:24:32 AM   
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As far as the "taking their country back" thing goes, while a few (independent, natch) posters on here have been able to cite a few token blacks at tea party gatherings, I've yet to see anybody claim that there's a big native American presence at the things.

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 5:31:00 AM   
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Every time someone mentions the teabaggers this is the first image that pops into my mind:

Larry the Cable Guy

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 7:45:03 AM   
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Been to a Coffee Party lately??
Didn't think so.

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 7:52:20 AM   
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Been to a Coffee Party lately??
Didn't think so.

What ?

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 9:13:41 AM   
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Been to a Coffee Party lately??
Didn't think so.


What does one have to do with the other?

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 9:27:07 AM   
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every day is a coffee party when you have kahlua

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 9:29:21 AM   
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lol

might make politics a bit more enjoyable

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 9:36:27 AM   
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You have to admit the Boston Tea Party was a rallying point for change in colonial politics...and I think "change" is the key thought with today’s Tea Party.

Now…do you really think your so called dichotomy has anything to do with describing the character of the average Tea Party member? If you do you are very much underestimating them and deserve to get your butt kicked come November.

I personally am against the politics of the Tea Party but I don’t underestimate them or think they are any less intelligent then you.

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 9:41:25 AM   
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You have to admit the Boston Tea Party was a rallying point for change in colonial politics...and I think "change" is the key thought with today’s Tea Party.

Now…do you really think your so called dichotomy has anything to do with describing the character of the average Tea Party member? If you do you are very much underestimating them and deserve to get your butt kicked come November.

I personally am against the politics of the Tea Party but I don’t underestimate them or think they are any less intelligent then you.

Butch


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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 10:01:05 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrh-7PvbBM4

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 12:03:18 PM   
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You have to admit the Boston Tea Party was a rallying point for change in colonial politics...and I think "change" is the key thought with today’s Tea Party.

Are you sure that's the main thought? "Entitlement" is the main one I've noticed most of the spokespersons coming out with. (Which is hilarious when you look at their attitude to the Feds.)

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 12:42:56 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrh-7PvbBM4


He cleans up really well.



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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 1:44:56 PM   
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I think overall they are fed up with Democrats and Republicans... they want change in Washington period. They themselves are confused over what change should be though.

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 1:58:34 PM   
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I think overall they are fed up with Democrats and Republicans... they want change in Washington period. They themselves are confused over what change should be though.

Butch


If they are fed up with both parties then they would establish an independent party.

They don't want change, they want to lessen change because change scares them.

They are Republicans who believe the GOP has become too radical for their tastes and they want to return to liking Ike, wearing poodle skirts, and hating Commies.

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 6:22:45 PM   
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If they are fed up with both parties then they would establish an independent party.

They don't want change, they want to lessen change because change scares them.

They are Republicans who believe the GOP has become too radical for their tastes and they want to return to liking Ike, wearing poodle skirts, and hating Commies.




Nope...but the below is even worse from Tea Party .org


What are the core issues Tea Party people get behind

Support of our rock solid US constitution, not international governing bodies and the UN

Support of Judeo/Christian values

Support of sound fiscal decisions and responsibility

Support of strong national defense

Support of capitalism not socialism

Support of tax overhaul, cuts and reform

Support standing against Islamic radicals and enemies to our country

Support standing by our real friends, such as Israel


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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 7:16:48 PM   
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They are Republicans who believe the GOP has become too radical for their tastes and they want to return to liking Ike, wearing poodle skirts, and hating Commies.



Liking Ike?

LIKING IKE???

Damn, I WISH they liked Ike. I know I do.

I wished they liked the Republican President who was content to leave taxes at 95% marginal rates for the rich;
Who warned us about the military- industrial complex;
who gave us the massive Federal spending program of the Interstate Highway System;
Who was content to oversee a nation where 1/3 of workers were unionized, who saw nothing wrong with tight government control over Wall Street, who was happy with massive amounts of government aid like school lunches, job training, direct government works programs....


That far left motherfucker would be dragged out of the White House and lynched by the Tea Partiers.

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 7:28:28 PM   
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Oh please-
These below are tropes, bumpersticker platitudes that no one really is serious about-
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What are the core issues Tea Party people get behind

Support of our rock solid US constitution, not international governing bodies and the UN

They support the Constitution? How's about that 4th Amendment? Or the 14th?They are happy to jettison any part of the Constitution that interferes with their dream of the all-powerful Unitary President, and an all white culture.

Support of Judeo/Christian values

Yes, this they do support; not the 1st Amendment guarantees about the freedom from religion, but an American Taliban where one religions is valued above all others.

Support of sound fiscal decisions and responsibility
What "sound fiscal policy"? The one where we reduce tax revenue and increase Defense spending? Name a single budget outline that has been put forward by the Tea Party that hasn't been shown to be a joke or worse.

Support of strong national defense
"Strong national defense" supported by what, less government spending, or more government spending? We spend a trillion dollars a year on defense, 1/3 of our total government budget, and they want a larger or smaller Defense Dept?

Support of capitalism not socialism
Yes, capitalism, except for their Social Security checks, and of course their Medicare benefits, and public highways, public infrastructure, public police and public fire departments; but public health? Quell horreur!

Support of tax overhaul, cuts and reform
Less taxes, to pay for the massive Defense spending? And how do less taxes equal a balanced budget? They don't know, and they don't care either. All they know is they want to drive on a public highway that someone else pays for.

Support standing against Islamic radicals and enemies to our country
WTF does this even mean? Having a daily Two Minute Hate on the Moozlims?

Support standing by our real friends, such as Israel
Israel is a fine nation, but even friends make mistakes- since when is American policy dictated by another nation? Why can't we feel free to criticize a foreign nation, and pursue policies that put America first?




The Tea Party is just a collection of bumpersticker slogans and buzzwords, chained together by the iron bonds of ethnic tribalism and class resentment.

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/27/2010 9:37:03 PM   
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Agreed Rex, fuck Israel and fuck the Christians. Actually fuck McCarthyism as well, according to my copy of the Constitution it never was unlawful to be a member of the Communist party. Of course it is and was illegal to try to overthrow the government, but those blacklisted did no such thing.

The world is full of me me me-ers and that's all. Nobody seems to have any respect for anyone else's ideals or beliefs. I am constantly disappointed by any and all such "movements". When I studied with the common law people, at first it seemed quite noble, they were fighting against the gouging government on taxes and such. Then there in the leaflets was the story of a guy using those same tactics to get out of child support payments. And they want my respect ?

No group seems to be able to comprehend the real ideal. Now people may think what they like of me, I have certain opinions. I believe that people should be able to control the local environment so their kids can grow to understand their own personal historical culture. That doesn't just mean segregated neighborhoods as in White, Black and Hispanic. That means little Italy, little Poland, little wherever the hell else, it goes way further than the simple quotient envisioned by even what most people consider racist. And then there are those who, who actually may be right, would rather raise their progeny in a multicultural environment. It's about choice, not me or the government making the choice for them.

But then the system was flawed right from the start. Our own Constitution, as good as it may have been had no business in the field of genetics. The aristocratic snobs who wrote it determined that lawfully one was only a person if they are three fifths what ? Three fifths from a race just as brutal and inhumane as any tribe on Earth, just better able to hide it. I callem as I seeum. They may have been a brave sort, willing to risk their fame, family and FORTUNE, and even their lives, bu tthat does not change what they were.

When you start with a flawed system, you just get bigger. It does not fix itself. History touts what many consider to be guerrila warfare and purports it to be what helped "us" win the war of independence. Bullshit, England knew they couldn't hold on. Why a tea party in the first place ? Why waste all that good tea ? I would've just told them to take their tax papers and shove them where the sun don't shine. Then have a cup of tea and wait for "them" to come. But no, it was grandstanding, something that has been a tradition of politicians for evermore, it's just a bit more refined today.

So they write freedom of religion into the Constitution, and don't enforce it. The majority of the people are Christian so everyone else be damnned. They lied when they called it a replublic from the beginning, and the lie continues today. But the cracks are showing. Nationalism and even patriotism in a way equate to a gang mentality. Even by their own words "we must hang together or we shall surely hang separately.

You mat damn me for what I am, it took a long time but I have seen through it all. Nothing has changed. Only the degree of divide and conquer theory being applied, and that was the true intent of integration. People were not ready for it, and they knew it. Now people are starting to get along, so with profit forever in their minds of course, the seek out and find or create new enemies. And when those are gone they will find more. Once all the Arabs are gone, it will be time to pick another fight, who will it be this time ?

Ancient scholars who predicted the end of the world did it in the most metaphoric way, but they were right on the money. Even armageddon, it will happen, but not by the hand of some supernatural force, by the hand of Man. These old Men who didn't waste time learning a new OS for the PC every couple years, how to progeram their cellphone or TV sel, or microwave oven for that matter had plenty of time to watch and learn about human nature. Thus they gained the insight to predict what will come.

Neither I nor anyone else of this time has that level of insight. We are too distracted and life is simply too short. I am no Man on the mountain top by any stretch, but at least I can see through the bullshit, and I know that it started a very long time ago, perhaps even before the develpment of language. It certainly seems likely when the behavior of animals is considered.

The tea party is no different, never were and never will be. For some reason I am like this. I never wanted much to be on a team, I always preferred individualism, and for a good part of my life I prevailed and did quite well. I am not a joiner. I am not a follower and I see no reason to get out of the way. The dirty, ugly side of humanity is no stranger to me, but I guess I am used to it. I see very little difference between a colony of humans, a pack of wolves or a colony of bacteria. It is life. We have not evolved despite technicalogical advances. People themselves are just as primitive as ever for the most part.

Of course there are exceptions, and I am here mainly because I percieve that here I am among those exceptions. With certain exceptions of course :-)

Join my party. One law for all, if it doesn't hurt anyone else, do whatever you want. And the punishments fits the crime. There it is in a nutshell. Hate your neighbors ? Move. Minimal taxes, used only for infrastructure, no wars unless attacked. I guess an army would be part of the infrastructure. Even get back to shooting horse thieves if that's what it takes, but without the bullshit.

To do anything else is just to continue a mistake. Rewrite the Constituion rather than amend it. But under no circumstances let the current politicians near the thing, they'll just put more shit stains on it.

Me me me me, that's what it's all about, and nothing has changed.

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/28/2010 5:35:30 AM   
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They are Republicans who believe the GOP has become too radical for their tastes and they want to return to liking Ike, wearing poodle skirts, and hating Commies.



Liking Ike?

LIKING IKE???

Damn, I WISH they liked Ike. I know I do.

I wished they liked the Republican President who was content to leave taxes at 95% marginal rates for the rich;
Who warned us about the military- industrial complex;
who gave us the massive Federal spending program of the Interstate Highway System;
Who was content to oversee a nation where 1/3 of workers were unionized, who saw nothing wrong with tight government control over Wall Street, who was happy with massive amounts of government aid like school lunches, job training, direct government works programs....


That far left motherfucker would be dragged out of the White House and lynched by the Tea Partiers.


That wasn't meant to be a criticism of Eisenhower, just a poke at the so-called traditional American values and the teabaggers' seeming desire to return us to the 1950's.







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