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rulemylife -> Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 3:17:21 PM)
This pretty much speaks for itself. Think about your vote this November. An entitlement? I'm pretty sure they are entitled to it after risking their lives and their health. House passes 9/11 health bill after passionate floor debate WASHINGTON – The House has approved a bill to give up to $7.4 billion to workers sickened during the cleanup of World Trade Center site after the Sept. 11 attacks. The 268-160 vote on Wednesday came after passionate floor debate. Democratic supporters said they were standing up for sick 9/11 heroes. Republican critics branded the bill as yet another big-government entitlement program that would boost taxes and kill jobs. The bill would provide free health care and compensation to rescue and recovery workers who fell ill after working in the trade center ruins. It was a second showdown for the bill, which failed to pass in a July vote. New York lawmakers have been pushing such a measure for years. Similar legislation is pending in the Senate.

jlf1961 -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 3:54:16 PM)
Its simple, the majority of Republican politicians dont give a shit about the people who make less than a million a year. What is sad is that a lot of middle class Americans have been brainwashed into believing them.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 4:14:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Its simple, the majority of Republican politicians dont give a shit about the people who make less than a million a year. What is sad is that a lot of middle class Americans have been brainwashed into believing them. You mean those people that think an income of 250K/year makes you middle class?

Lucylastic -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 4:23:16 PM)
The same people that think you can just pic up an extra three hours work out of thin air to be able to afford a flu shot

thishereboi -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 4:30:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic The same people that think you can just pic up an extra three hours work out of thin air to be able to afford a flu shot nm, I understand now.

kdsub -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 5:10:44 PM)
I guess it would make a difference if you fell ill because of the 9/11 or for other reasons...don't you think? Otherwise free health care to all who worked on the clean up even if their illness was not related to the disaster could be considered a political ploy or wasteful. Butch

Lucylastic -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 5:18:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic The same people that think you can just pic up an extra three hours work out of thin air to be able to afford a flu shot nm, I understand now. [:D][;)] I thought you would:)

TheHeretic -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 6:20:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic The same people that think you can just pic up an extra three hours work out of thin air to be able to afford a flu shot Dammit, Lucy, now I'm going to have to go reply to that.

tazzygirl -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 6:29:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic The same people that think you can just pic up an extra three hours work out of thin air to be able to afford a flu shot LOL have i told you lately i adore you? If not, im saying it now!

rulemylife -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 6:56:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I guess it would make a difference if you fell ill because of the 9/11 or for other reasons...don't you think? Otherwise free health care to all who worked on the clean up even if their illness was not related to the disaster could be considered a political ploy or wasteful. Butch If you say so Butch, so much for that "heroes" of 9/11 crap huh? Especially when it starts to cost money.

Lucylastic -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 7:00:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic The same people that think you can just pic up an extra three hours work out of thin air to be able to afford a flu shot Dammit, Lucy, now I'm going to have to go reply to that. I await with baited breath:) quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic The same people that think you can just pic up an extra three hours work out of thin air to be able to afford a flu shot LOL have i told you lately i adore you? If not, im saying it now! [:)] ty Tazzy the arrogance and lack of reality is horrendous and really does speak to the ignorance of what the the poor contend with.

Real0ne -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 7:41:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife The bill would provide free health care and compensation to rescue and recovery workers who fell ill after working in the trade center ruins. the WTC was reported as SAFE to clean up by none other then the gubmint EPA. quote: World Trade Center Rescue Workers Believed EPA, Ended Up Sick In a series of public statements issued after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) assured the people of New York that the air around ground zero was safe to breathe. Unfortunately, the agency lacked authoritative information on which to base these claims, and internal agency data conflicting with this reassuring public posture were ignored. The EPA's press releases and public statements after 9/11 were vetted by then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, suggesting that the White House placed politics over science when communicating about ground zero's air quality. Tragically, the impact of this public deception continues to be felt by thousands of rescue workers now plagued by chronic and crippling lung ailments.http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/abuses_of_science/ground-zero-air-pollution.html Puts a whole new light on gubmint as an "authoritative source" dune it? Sum people always have to learn the hard way dont they? we will hear all the dirt on ohaha after he is 10 years out too.

kdsub -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 7:53:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife If you say so Butch, so much for that "heroes" of 9/11 crap huh? Especially when it starts to cost money. How about the workers that cleaned up the Alfred Murrah Building in Oklahoma? Do they have free lifetime healthcare? How about the private oilmen that put out The Iraqi oil fields? Do they have free lifetime healthcare? How about the emergency responders on the first Trade Center Attack? Do they have free lifetime healthcare? How about all the responders throughout this nation, me included , that clean up chemical spills, tornado damage, forest fires…on and on. Do we have free lifetime healthcare? No my friend this is a political ploy pure and simple. I am all for those who have suffered injury and loss because of the 9/11 receiving medical care but only if a direct result of the attack. I’ll bet the City of New York has workman’s compensation and disability insurance that is helping as well as private donations for the families. Where do you start and stop…who is worthy and who is not…Why not just take care of those injured in the attack and give our thanks to those that were not. Butch

joether -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 8:15:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife If you say so Butch, so much for that "heroes" of 9/11 crap huh? Especially when it starts to cost money. How about the workers that cleaned up the Alfred Murrah Building in Oklahoma? Do they have free lifetime healthcare? The issue on 4/19/1995 and 9/11/2001 are two entirely different stituations. One, was a buillding of less then a dozen floors. The other, was a collection of buildings with more material subjected to super heated tempatures, not to mention the gigantic dust cloud from the aftermath. How about the private oilmen that put out The Iraqi oil fields? Do they have free lifetime healthcare? Show me on a map of the United States of America where this state....Iraq....is located at? How about the emergency responders on the first Trade Center Attack? Do they have free lifetime healthcare? Did Clinton use 4/19/1995 as an excuse for everything, including starting a war he lied about? I think Bush (jr.) did that with 9/11 just 'alittle'. Stands to reason, Republicans would want to help out the only people that gave his administration credibility. How about all the responders throughout this nation, me included , that clean up chemical spills, tornado damage, forest fires…on and on. Do we have free lifetime healthcare? If you vote Democrat you will. If you vote Republican, no you wont. No my friend this is a political ploy pure and simple. I am all for those who have suffered injury and loss because of the 9/11 receiving medical care but only if a direct result of the attack. I’ll bet the City of New York has workman’s compensation and disability insurance that is helping as well as private donations for the families. Yeah, cus Republicans NEVER used 9/11 for political points, right? Where do you start and stop…who is worthy and who is not…Why not just take care of those injured in the attack and give our thanks to those that were not. Where do we start? We vote on it. Where do we stop? We vote on that too! I would like to think, all Americans are worthy of good health care and coverage. Unfortunately, conservatives, feel only certain people should get good quality health care....the upper 2% of Income Tax Payers.

kdsub -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 8:23:25 PM)
Joe you didn't rebut any of my points... you just showed yourself to be a fanatic...that’s ok you just joined a not so exclusive crowd here on CM. Butch

jlf1961 -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 8:43:00 PM)
So, let me get this straight, the first responders that were exposed to all the dust and other crap when the towers came down are entitled to nothing. That is a Republican stand. Of course, the Repubs are really against health care for the first responders, the American Citizens, Vets (The want to privatize the VA) and the elderly (they want to privatize or do away with medicare.) Tell you what KD, why not get a bunch of repubs with guns to take all these people that you dont want to have health care out and shoot em all?

kdsub -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 8:47:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 So, let me get this straight, the first responders that were exposed to all the dust and other crap when the towers came down are entitled to nothing. That is a Republican stand. Of course, the Repubs are really against health care for the first responders, the American Citizens, Vets (The want to privatize the VA) and the elderly (they want to privatize or do away with medicare.) Tell you what KD, why not get a bunch of repubs with guns to take all these people that you dont want to have health care out and shoot em all? Nope..please read my posts again...you are not straight...especially on what I said. shee... When you have feel free to discuss what I actually said. Butch

popeye1250 -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 9:21:30 PM)
Ah! Another bash those "bad Republicans" thread. We'll be seeing more of these in the next month! Anyone heard any good Obama jokes lately? "Obama was giving a talk in someone's back yard in Iowa and people began leaving when....."

MrRodgers -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 9:56:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife If you say so Butch, so much for that "heroes" of 9/11 crap huh? Especially when it starts to cost money. How about the workers that cleaned up the Alfred Murrah Building in Oklahoma? Do they have free lifetime healthcare? How about the private oilmen that put out The Iraqi oil fields? Do they have free lifetime healthcare? How about the emergency responders on the first Trade Center Attack? Do they have free lifetime healthcare? How about all the responders throughout this nation, me included , that clean up chemical spills, tornado damage, forest fires…on and on. Do we have free lifetime healthcare? No my friend this is a political ploy pure and simple. I am all for those who have suffered injury and loss because of the 9/11 receiving medical care but only if a direct result of the attack. I’ll bet the City of New York has workman’s compensation and disability insurance that is helping as well as private donations for the families. Where do you start and stop…who is worthy and who is not…Why not just take care of those injured in the attack and give our thanks to those that were not. Butch The Alfred Murrah Building in Oklahoma was not even close in the kind of aftermath. In addition, the WTC was a white elephant with a $2 Billion asbestos removal lien against thebuilding and its owner...the New York Port auth. (owner prior to 9/11 & Silverstein) . That's why we see in fact private lawsuits for asbestosis and why it was simply beautiful timing how Silverstein got that new lease after 33 years without the WTC changing ownership plus an unheard-of insurance clause from which he reaped over $4 Billion.Yep...from AIG. Private oil field workers are private and their benefits are subject to the terms of their private contract. The emergency responders on the first Trade Center Attack were compensated by the city and were not subject to more than an office fire after the explosion with some smoke inhalation...specific in their benefits. They also did not return into crumbled building with exposure to asbestos as did post 9/11 workers. All responders throughout this nation, you included, that clean up chemical spills, tornado damage, forest fires…on and on....are almost always employed by govt., with benefits which may or may not offer lifetime medical benefits. I have never known any not to provide just those benefits with all medical paid in addition to work-related long terms benefits. The Act of Congress, the Air Transportation Safety and System Stabilization Act of 2001-2 was the first law surrounding 9/11 for compensation. Was that a 'political ploy' or was it pandering and emotional reinforcement for the 'war on terror ?' Yes, there are several sources of help for most all concerned for both WTC 93 and 01. In this country we have a twisted sense of just what is compensated and how much it should be. We seem to place more importance lately on a certain collection of players that has cost us $Trillions. So the courts find negligence and damages. Then add in the horrendous costs associated with health care benefits...one begins to become a bit jaded. A few billion dollars in the larger scheme of things and considering its worthy goal...is as a real sad, fiscal conservative says...a rounding error.

tazzygirl -> RE: Someone explain to me how anyone can vote in opposition to this (9/29/2010 10:14:45 PM)
quote: No my friend this is a political ploy pure and simple. I am all for those who have suffered injury and loss because of the 9/11 receiving medical care but only if a direct result of the attack. I’ll bet the City of New York has workman’s compensation and disability insurance that is helping as well as private donations for the families. As far as i remember, many were denied those claims.

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