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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 6:59:14 PM   
pahunkboy


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Well no.  In PA the gas tax funds the roads.   License plates and drivers license have very little if any impact on funds for roads.   Maybe others states do- but I dont think PA does. 

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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 7:14:22 PM   
Elisabella


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Licensing of drivers cannot be required of free people because taking on the restrictions of a license requires the surrender of an inalienable right


The inalienable right to...drive a motor vehicle on a public road?


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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 7:20:16 PM   
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The OP seems to have made a jump from right of travel to right of travel in a motor vehicle.

Invalid logic.

Right to travel could mean on horseback, on foot, bicycle, radio flyer little red wagon, donkey, wagon train, etc. NOWHERE does right to travel imply that automobiles are among those rights.

Noone says you cant travel the roads without a drivers license and registration, you just cant do it in a car.

I'm surprised noone caught that yet.

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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 7:23:51 PM   
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I am afraid tho- the horse also have no constitutional rights.

So travel by horse- is no excuse- as this is a real proposed law- and it would make travel by car on par with horse travel.     in which case neither the car or the horse have constitutional rights.

it is pretty basic.

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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 7:37:37 PM   
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I am afraid tho- the horse also have no constitutional rights.

So travel by horse- is no excuse- as this is a real proposed law- and it would make travel by car on par with horse travel.     in which case neither the car or the horse have constitutional rights.

it is pretty basic.



What?

I know for a fact my car has constitutional rights.

It's a mustang, which is also a horse, so it has double constitutional rights.

STOMP!

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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 7:37:54 PM   
Elisabella


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I agree.

I also do not think this inalienable right should be denied to the preschoolers of America, The (really short) People Of The United States, as they are citizens as well.

Psh drivers licences. I crashed a car before I even had one. If a learners permit was enough for me to wreak havoc on the roads it should be enough for anyone.

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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 8:25:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

quote:

Licensing of drivers cannot be required of free people because taking on the restrictions of a license requires the surrender of an inalienable right


The inalienable right to...drive a motor vehicle on a public road?




right to travel not drive.  you do not have the right to drive as driving is a commercial enterprise that is regulated and rightfully so, however traveling is a right, not a privilege that can be taken away or converted.


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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 8:26:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

I agree.

I also do not think this inalienable right should be denied to the preschoolers of America, The (really short) People Of The United States, as they are citizens as well.

Psh drivers licences. I crashed a car before I even had one. If a learners permit was enough for me to wreak havoc on the roads it should be enough for anyone.


preschoolers are not of the age of majority.


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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 8:28:00 PM   
Elisabella


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preschoolers are not of the age of majority.



16 y/o's are?

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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 8:34:54 PM   
Real0ne


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We don't need no stinking licenses ..... I like that, let's apply the same logic and do away with licenses for flying air planes too... they use public air space and are travel. Then we could do away with Doctors getting licenses ... that'll stimulate the economy in many ways.


so you want to convert rights into a commercial venue (as they have already done) so rights can be regulated?   If a right is regulated its not right anymore is it?  Is that not the point it becomes a privilege? 

Who is the public?  Does the label public somehow grant the authority to abrogate a right?  (see miranda)

Do you know what a license is?


LICENSE license,n.1. A permission, usu. revocable, to commit some act that would otherwise be unlawful; esp., an agreement (not amounting to a lease or profit à prendre) that it is lawful for the licensee to enter the licensor's land to do some act that would otherwise be illegal, such as hunting game. See SERVITUDE(1). [Cases: Licenses 43. C.J.S. Easements § 9; Licenses § 88.]    2. The certificate or document evidencing such permission. - license,vb.  

Oh that definition btw is from the attorneys favorite law dictionary blacks 8th.

How can you say it is a right if you have to ask permission?

Do rights not stand on their own?

What does that license buy from you? better service?  better quality?  what is the advantage to it?

I agree with charging professional corporations for using the common ways that I paid for- for "profit".

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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 8:36:10 PM   
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The licence is not to allow you to travel it is to allow you to operate a piece of heavy machinery.

ffs.

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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 8:37:42 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

The licence is not to allow you to travel it is to allow you to operate a piece of heavy machinery.

ffs.


like a horse?

how about a 6 horse team?


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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 8:38:10 PM   
Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elisabella

The licence is not to allow you to travel it is to allow you to operate a piece of heavy machinery.

ffs.


like a horse?



No horses are livestock not machines.

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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 8:39:38 PM   
Real0ne


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well you used the term operate and heavy and regardless if the weight is water or iron using your angle its heavy and its operating


what about a 300 pound guy?  he is heavy and operating his feet?  ;)





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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 8:44:07 PM   
Elisabella


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what is this I don't even.

I'm sort of liking your logic. After all it would be legal for me to chop down a tree on my own property...but in your world I could do it with a freaking bulldozer. Or maybe a wrecking ball. I mean if I can chop down a tree with a chainsaw without a licence...dude...wrecking ball.

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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 8:46:25 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

...they are preaching sedition and the violent overthrow of the government.


I remember when I registered for the Involuntary Conscription "Service System" way back when, that one of the questions was, "Do you advocate the overthrow of the US government by violence or subversion?"

I picked subversion.


well you are a bit late by 150 years, that was fully accomplished by 1868 and incrementally fully functional in stages by 1967 and I agree with you it was done by subversion.

Makes me laugh when people say the NWO is "coming"  LOL


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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 8:52:15 PM   
Real0ne


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what is this I don't even.

I'm sort of liking your logic. After all it would be legal for me to chop down a tree on my own property...but in your world I could do it with a freaking bulldozer. Or maybe a wrecking ball. I mean if I can chop down a tree with a chainsaw without a licence...dude...wrecking ball.



in my world you could chop down your tree with a nuke as long as you did not pop all my popcorn in the cupboard or do some other damage or injury to me or any one else, in which case you would wind up in court if you did not pay for the damages.

The only difference is my world cuts out the fictional man who butted in the middle who is offering me services at the end of a barrel of a gun.  Just like the mafia did ya know....

pay up or we kidnap you and steal your property and sell it.




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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 8:54:03 PM   
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what is this I don't even.

I'm sort of liking your logic. After all it would be legal for me to chop down a tree on my own property...but in your world I could do it with a freaking bulldozer. Or maybe a wrecking ball. I mean if I can chop down a tree with a chainsaw without a licence...dude...wrecking ball.


Actually Elisabella, you can.  But do you know how much they COST to rent?  Chainsaws are cheaper!

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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 8:56:19 PM   
Elisabella


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Hahaha I think you need a licence to drive it yourself though :D

I wish I had like...50 acres of land...with little demolition ready shacks. Especially if I knew how to fly a bomber jet.

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RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those l... - 10/6/2010 9:00:45 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: CruelandKindSdst


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

There are a two little problems that the OP seems to neglect to tell you in this little "revolution":

1) Driver license fees are used toward highway and road repair.
2) License plate fees are used toward highway and road repair.

Those two points are made to show that while you may have the right to travel, you do not have the right to use state and federally funded roads and highways for free.



Actually that is the flaw that most people are lead to believe... it is like the perpetual funding for education, they always take away the school funding and get everybody up in arms saying that the need this bond or tax or program to fund schools. It gets passed and a few years later the funds are diverted to something else. Then they bring up another bill to fund schools in an endless loop.... and of course people are to ignorant to question the status quo... so they keep increasing their own taxes because they believe the lies.

Let no possibility to create an emergency go wasted to take away freedom and control people. To many people talk aobut being an expert thinking that understand what is happening when in fact they are taloking from their own social programming. They are to lazy to really study and understand the issue and research the background of anything.... they just use their ignorant knee-jerk reaction as if they actually know anything.

Here is a test question: 1) do you really know what the difference is between a Republic form of government and a Democracy? 2) Do you know what giving the DMV the MSO voluntarily does? 3) Do you understand exactly the reason and basis of the Marriage License? Do you know why the government requires you to fill out and sign a birth certificate for your chile? 5) Do you believe that the government sho0uld have total control of your life, your family, how you believe, your house, your car, your kids, and your Dog? Do you realize that the IMF owns the Federal Reserve Bank system? Look up HR 192 and try to understand what it says.

You answer these questions fully and with real knowledge than you can have the right to be heard.


ah a man did some homework!  wtg!

yeh jlf19whatever takes the position that the only revenue they get is from licensing.  well there is gas tax, we pay more for gas tax than we do the freaking gas now days.

That and his position is that the federal government is not funded by the public, as if they have their own little piggie bank and they are doing the people a huge favor by this funding that they robbed from the PEOPLE of another state.

They get their money from all of us and redistribute and he pretends they own it as if the feds dug a ditch for it and out of the generosity of the red white and blue heart just gave it all way.  backwards logic completely.

I am one of the people and I am one of the public and I have just as much right to be out on the common way as the next guy.

However I agree that anyone who uses the common ways commercially should have a license and pay the tax for the INCOME they make.



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