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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 6:15:40 AM

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well, i respond to those people like this. the shoe is on the other foot, on their foot, and see what happens. it happens to anybody. i don't care. you forget things and i did. i suffered the consequences for it. i'm not a freeloader. i've worked all my life for everything i've got. and another thing about it, they have waived these fire fees before. they waived them at my son's house three years ago in it december. they waived them over on another road over here out of town. and saved the guy's house . i know they waived them before. so, therefore, they could have waived mine. i would have paid it. my neighbor offered to pay them. i don't know if it was $500 or $5,000 to spray the house down, put it out. but, no, they sprayed the fence.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/from/toolbar

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 6:43:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Every day we all make choices in our lives. This guy made a concious decision to not pay $75.00 for fire protection for his home. I don't feel sorry for him in the least.

It is an odd arrangement to have individual residents pay such a fee, tho. In most areas, your county would contract with a municipal fire dept for fire protection. Your local taxes pay for that, without resorting to this individual billing or 'donation' scenario. That's how you do things when everyone behaves like an adult.

The obvious question is if these rural residents are paying the taxes, then why isn't the money being used to contract for fire services? Has the money gone missing instead (a common problem in rural govt in Tennessee where the same people stay in office for a long time - the good ole boys run things forever)?

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 7:01:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

It was a pretty effective department, which also required County citizens to pay a minimal subscription fee, to help offset the costs of the Counties funding.

This is where your utopia ran off the rails.

Nobody is saying that rural county residents should be paying enough taxes to establish a rural fire service of its own, but it should be paying enough taxes to contract with a municipal fire department for that department to provide services to rural country residents. You dont need to pay taxes to duplicate an entire fire department, only pay enough to get the services of an existing department during time periods that would otherwise be 'idle time' for them. That's getting a good bang for the rural resident's buck. And this is what your county property taxes should be paying for, without resorting to the act of billing individuals a separate fee.

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 7:17:56 AM

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Those condemning the FD in this case should simply acknowledge that they do not possess sufficient knowledge to make a judgment. Perhaps talking to some of your local fire departments would be enlightening.

The International Association of Firefighters has condemned the local fire department involved in this. Im pretty sure they have the knowledge to make a judgment..

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/International-Association-of-Fire-Fighters-condemns-local-department-104392079.html

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 7:47:15 AM

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This could never happen in the UK because we have a universal fire service funded by property taxes. Additionally, it would be considered an offence to burn garbage in the open air because of the pollution risk.

Obviously, what with the majority US view being that small government is good, and taxation bad, the US is unlikely to adopt the UK model, but it does make an awful lot of sense.

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 8:35:53 AM

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LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Flames Over $75 Fee
Good. That dummy burned garbage. Why do I want to smell his garbage just because he is too cheap to pay for disposal?

HIS fire got out of hand and now he is mad.

What a player. Note how the family - this is not their first fire.

It's moments like this that make me wonder about humanity. What kind of people could stand by and not help another human being in a position like this.

For all of those who are down on this family....How would you feel if something happened and you didn't make your $75 payment? I bet not many would have the same attitude. Actually it's more likely that not any of you would.

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 9:27:53 AM

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well, i respond to those people like this. the shoe is on the other foot, on their foot, and see what happens. it happens to anybody. i don't care. you forget things and i did. i suffered the consequences for it. i'm not a freeloader. i've worked all my life for everything i've got. and another thing about it, they have waived these fire fees before. they waived them at my son's house three years ago in it december. they waived them over on another road over here out of town. and saved the guy's house . i know they waived them before. so, therefore, they could have waived mine. i would have paid it. my neighbor offered to pay them. i don't know if it was $500 or $5,000 to spray the house down, put it out. but, no, they sprayed the fence.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/from/toolbar

From the transcript,

So while this is fresh in his mind- did he pay the 2011 fee?

This would be a good time to do so. While it is on his mind.

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 9:30:39 AM

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for what? he got something more to burn down, does he?

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 9:34:43 AM

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He is a fine upstanding citizen..... even tho he isn't he is trash- he skipped out on 2010 fee and he will be derelict on the 2011 fee.

Did he pay for 2009?

2008?

The fire company still costs money for the electric, phone, heat, and water - weather they go to a fire or not- surely he will pay the 2011 fee.

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 9:35:31 AM

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Im waiting to hear about lawyers and lawsuits.

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 9:37:04 AM

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You think there is something in the magna carta about this?

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 9:37:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Im waiting to hear about lawyers and lawsuits.

They had no contractual agreement. No consideration. No quid pro quo.

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 9:38:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

He is a fine upstanding citizen..... even tho he isn't he is trash- he skipped out on 2010 fee and he will be derelict on the 2011 fee.

Did he pay for 2009?

2008?

The fire company still costs money for the electric, phone, heat, and water - weather they go to a fire or not- surely he will pay the 2011 fee.

And you are an idiot, though i have stated many times that i didnt think people should call you on it, pa.

your lack of compassion really surprises me... but i guess it shouldnt.

he has lived in that community on his property for 21 years. he has stated they have paid for many years. i have yet to find anyone disputing that claim... or the claims he made that the fire department has waived the fee and put out other fires.

funny how that may come back to bite the mayor in the ass in the end.

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 9:46:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: hlen5

Was anyone watching the original fire? No one should start a fire and not be vigilant over it. If you know you don't have fire protection and you start burning something, you had better be darn sure you are standing over it with a garden hose, at least.

If the fire department HAD put out the fire, who would blame half the rural residents for not ponying up the next year? Then where would the gas for the trucks come from?

It's a shame that property and (even more important) that helpless pets were lost in this case. I don't understand why if there were two hours to get the pets out, it wasn't done. Was no one attending the fire?

It's too bad that the only penalty for not paying the subscription fee is losing your home. Perhaps if it were thought of ahead of time, the policy could have been being assessed a huge fine or service fee for getting your property serviced without having paid for maintenance of the department.

How much does anyone want to bet the paid subscriptions in Fulton County go up next year?

Barrel fires are supposed to be attended- and a mesh screen is to be on top of the barrel.

The guy probably was burning tires.

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 9:50:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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He is a fine upstanding citizen..... even tho he isn't he is trash- he skipped out on 2010 fee and he will be derelict on the 2011 fee.

Did he pay for 2009?

2008?

The fire company still costs money for the electric, phone, heat, and water - weather they go to a fire or not- surely he will pay the 2011 fee.

And you are an idiot, though i have stated many times that i didnt think people should call you on it, pa.

your lack of compassion really surprises me... but i guess it shouldnt.

he has lived in that community on his property for 21 years. he has stated they have paid for many years. i have yet to find anyone disputing that claim... or the claims he made that the fire department has waived the fee and put out other fires.

funny how that may come back to bite the mayor in the ass in the end.

You are a communist.

Why?

You force volunteers to work. In this case- firemen who are volunteers- under you- would be forced to work- when there is no contractual agreement.

These guys dont even get minimum wage and you send them into harms way- over a derriclik fire bug who is also a tightwad.

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 9:56:21 AM

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And you know that how?

PA may require a screen, does every community?

Funny how a 5 dollar fee to the power meters outside the city limits would have raised a half million dollars that could have been ear marked for the fire department... and by adding 5 a month to all meters in the county would have added over a million...an option that was provided and was never acted on.

Out of town meters
only
meter count
................ monthly.... yearly
8308 $3.00 $24,924.00 $299,088.00
8308 $5.00 $41,540.00 $498,480.00
8308 $6.00 $49,848.00 $598,176.00

All meters in county (including all municipalities with UCES meters)

17056 $5.00 $85,280.00 $1,023,360.00

Examples #1 & #2 are somewhat inflation proof. As the numbers of meters increase in
the county, so would the revenue. Any increase in amount per month would have to be
approved by the county commission
• Example #1 & #2 would spread the cost of the protection more evenly. Renters would
also pay their share of the cost, not just the property owner.

http://troy.troytn.com/Obion%20County%20Fire%20Department%20Presentation%20Presented%20to%20the%20County%20Commission.pdf

page 21.

You have to wonder why in the hell the county commisioners turned down a half million and a million dollar proposal.

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 10:00:06 AM

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A $5 fee a month is $60 a year. The man in this case does not wish to pay anything. SO you would FORCE him to pay?

He only offered to pay after he set his house on fire.

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 10:00:47 AM

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These guys dont even get minimum wage and you send them into harms way- over a derriclik fire bug who is also a tightwad.

That's what they are volunteering for...isn't it?

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 10:10:40 AM

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You force volunteers to work. In this case- firemen who are volunteers- under you- would be forced to work- when there is no contractual agreement.

Volunteer?

Hornbeak Volunteer Fire Department
214 W Main St
Hornbeak, TN 38232

Obion Fire Department
128 E Palestine Ave
Obion, TN 38240

Puryear Volunteer Fire Department
Po Box 275
Puryear, TN 38257

Rives Volunteer Fire Department
Po Box 179
Rives, TN 38253-0179

South Fulton Fire Department
132 Broadway
South Fulton, TN 38257-2159

Troy Fire Department
118 W Harper St
Troy, TN 38260

Union City Fire department
111 N Fifth St
Union City, TN 38281

http://tennessee.firedepartments.net/county/TN/ObionCounty.html

Now, the SF fire department was the one who arrived.

South Fulton Fire Departments » Obion County Fire Departments » Tennessee Fire Departments

Number of Volunteer Firefighters: 0
Number of Paid per Call Firefighters: 20
Non-Firefighting Employees: 0
Non-Firefighting Volunteers: 2

http://www.firedepartments.net/Tennessee/SouthFulton/SouthFultonFireDepartment.html

Show me the volunteer part of the SF fire department.

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RE: LET IT BURN?!? Firefighters Watch Home Go Up In Fla... - 10/6/2010 10:12:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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well, i respond to those people like this. the shoe is on the other foot, on their foot, and see what happens. it happens to anybody. i don't care. you forget things and i did. i suffered the consequences for it. i'm not a freeloader. i've worked all my life for everything i've got. and another thing about it, they have waived these fire fees before. they waived them at my son's house three years ago in it december. they waived them over on another road over here out of town. and saved the guy's house . i know they waived them before. so, therefore, they could have waived mine. i would have paid it. my neighbor offered to pay them. i don't know if it was $500 or $5,000 to spray the house down, put it out. but, no, they sprayed the fence.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/from/toolbar

From the transcript,

...that was the man whose house burned, not a reliable source who would know the circumstances surrounding those other houses, if the others truly had not paid the fee or if there were other circumstances(such as a person being in one of those houses that was burning) we do not know. It was reported that they would indeed have intervened if someone was trapped in the home. I'm leery because the man's story has changed. Originally, right after it happened, this man said he "thought they would put a fire out whether he paid or not" so he didn't pay. Now he is saying he 'forgot' to pay. That doesn't seem genuine to me.

I also wish someone would ask him why in the 2 hours it took for the fire to spread to the house, no one there had enough of a heart to rescue the pets. Oh, and the one he mentioned about his son's house being on fire? The fire department did not put that fire out, it was already out before they got there. So that's another time they didn't pay until there was a fire already started(Mr. Cranick claims to have gone up the next day and pay his son's 75 dollar fee after that one). That was just this past December so how can he then say he forgot when there was a blatant reminder to do it less than a year ago?

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