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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/6/2010 8:45:38 PM   
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I would replace politicians with people who have actually experienced the street and have to deal with REAL issues. We decided that other people should make the decision for us.

It is anarchy posing as democracy. Think!


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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/6/2010 8:51:11 PM   
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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/6/2010 8:52:21 PM   
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You demonstrated in the other thread that you dont know what conservatism is. You reinforce that with asinine statments like this:

"not one piece of liberal lawmaking has been introduced or passed in the past 30 years."


So what was this liberal legislation that was passed? I must have missed it. Can you point it out for me?


TARP
Stimulus
Obama care
Multiple Extensions of unemployment benefits
No Child Left Behind
Sarbanes Oxley
Medicare prescription drugs
Family and Medical leave act
Americorp act
CDFI Fund Act
Increases in the minimum wage
Mental health parity Act
Childrens Health Insurance Act
Air Quality Act
Head Start Expansion and Reauthorizaton
Americans with Disabilities Act
Clean Air Act Amendments
Repeal of Glass Steagall I was on a Clinton roll

That enough or do I need to actually think hard?

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/6/2010 9:01:19 PM   
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You do seem to have left out who got the mess rolling with "everybody should be a homeowner."

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/6/2010 9:07:07 PM   
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TARP
Stimulus
Obama care
Multiple Extensions of unemployment benefits
No Child Left Behind
Sarbanes Oxley
Medicare prescription drugs
Family and Medical leave act
Americorp act
CDFI Fund Act
Increases in the minimum wage
Mental health parity Act
Childrens Health Insurance Act
Air Quality Act
Head Start Expansion and Reauthorizaton
Americans with Disabilities Act
Clean Air Act Amendments
Repeal of Glass Steagall

That enough or do I need to actually think hard?


OK, first off, TARP and the stimulus were bandaid patches, not liberal lawmaking on par with Social Security and Medicare.

Health Care Reform was the single piece of liberal change that has been enacted since Medicare; and even that was a watered down shadow of real health care reform.

Repeal of Glass Steagal was a liberal act?????
Jesus God, FDR was spinning in his grave when that happened! The repeal of Glass Steagal was the product of banksters, republicans, and corporate Democrats to give Wall Street what they always wanted, the key to the liquor cabinetand keys to the car (with apologies to PJ O'Rourke).

The Medicare Part D (thanks, Dubya!) was a bit of corporate welfare for the pharmaceutical industry, not any serious attempt to better the lives of seniors.

I might give you the ADA; so I concede that one.

The rest of your list? Proves my point, in that these were tiny, compromised, and watered down pieces of half hearted social action.

What I meant by liberal lawmaking was large changes to the relationship of government to the people, like Social Security or groundbreaking changes in how society treats each other like the Civil Rights Act, or massive investments in the physical infrastructure like the TVA, or the Interstate Highway System.

What we have seen are small minded pork barrel projects, or bipartisan corporate welfare gifts. Remember that most of the Clinton era Democrats were corporate whores almost as much as the Republicans.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/6/2010 9:07:20 PM   
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But Wilbur, none of those actually went far enough...


You do seem to have left out who got the mess rolling with "everybody should be a homeowner."


Well, he said in the last 30 years, and the Community Redevlopment Act was 1977

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/6/2010 9:13:54 PM   
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TARP
Stimulus
Obama care
Multiple Extensions of unemployment benefits
No Child Left Behind
Sarbanes Oxley
Medicare prescription drugs
Family and Medical leave act
Americorp act
CDFI Fund Act
Increases in the minimum wage
Mental health parity Act
Childrens Health Insurance Act
Air Quality Act
Head Start Expansion and Reauthorizaton
Americans with Disabilities Act
Clean Air Act Amendments
Repeal of Glass Steagall

That enough or do I need to actually think hard?


OK, first off, TARP and the stimulus were bandaid patches, not liberal lawmaking on par with Social Security and Medicare. sorry, but you dont get to move the goal posts.

Health Care Reform was the single piece of liberal change that has been enacted since Medicare; and even that was a watered down shadow of real health care reform. see above comment about "not going far enough"

Repeal of Glass Steagal was a liberal act?????
Jesus God, FDR was spinning in his grave when that happened! The repeal of Glass Steagal was the product of banksters, republicans, and corporate Democrats to give Wall Street what they always wanted, the key to the liquor cabinetand keys to the car (with apologies to PJ O'Rourke). already corrrect

The Medicare Part D (thanks, Dubya!) was a bit of corporate welfare for the pharmaceutical industry, not any serious attempt to better the lives of seniors.bullshit

I might give you the ADA; so I concede that one.

The rest of your list? Proves my point, in that these were tiny, compromised, and watered down pieces of half hearted social action. moving the goal posgts again

What I meant by liberal lawmaking was large changes to the relationship of government to the people, like Social Security or groundbreaking changes in how society treats each other like the Civil Rights Act, or massive investments in the physical infrastructure like the TVA, or the Interstate Highway System.you were very clear in what you said. When youre proven wrong you gtry to back off on it. Doesnt fly.

What we have seen are small minded pork barrel projects, or bipartisan corporate welfare gifts. Remember that most of the Clinton era Democrats were corporate whores almost as much as the Republicans.



Former conservative my ass

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/7/2010 4:22:24 AM   
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So my question is, where is it? Is the America middle class stronger, more secure than we were in say, 1980? Who here has a more secure job, who has a more secure retirement, than they did in 1980?


Well I can't speak for anyone else, but I am in much better shape than I was back in 1980.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/7/2010 6:52:58 AM   
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But Wilbur, none of those actually went far enough...


You do seem to have left out who got the mess rolling with "everybody should be a homeowner."


Well, he said in the last 30 years, and the Community Redevlopment Act was 1977


2010 policy is NO ONE should be a homeowner.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/7/2010 8:50:57 AM   
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But Wilbur, none of those actually went far enough...


You do seem to have left out who got the mess rolling with "everybody should be a homeowner."


Well, he said in the last 30 years, and the Community Redevlopment Act was 1977


2010 policy is NO ONE should be a homeowner.

STOMP


Is it? I think the policy statement that said that must have passed me by. Do you have a link for that besides Alex's ravings?

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/7/2010 12:42:58 PM   
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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/7/2010 1:10:45 PM   
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They are silly bitches who must do as they are told by the Republicans.



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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/7/2010 1:21:06 PM   
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Because as we have seen all along, and especially clearly since Obama took over is that democratics can't manage a picnic, much less run a country.

They are silly bitches who must do as they are told by the Republicans.




Now now, dont be so harsh. The beer summit seemed to go very well. They didnt even serve Schlitz.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/7/2010 1:23:46 PM   
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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/7/2010 1:35:12 PM   
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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/7/2010 1:37:14 PM   
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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/7/2010 1:46:57 PM   
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Reality for all to see.... a filibuster proof majority (both houses and the Presidency), and from the POTUS down to the chat room, nothing but whining and excuse making.

The health Care reform was a riot. All of you kept saying how you demanded a Public option or else. Obama did. Then he caved (to members of his own party) and you all did the 1984 turn like a bunch of sparrows, while declaring a great victory.

You can't write comedy like that.


"even more failure for you then. Hah, take that!!"


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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/7/2010 1:51:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is no filibuster proof majority.  You will not have one in the house.  Your saying it does not make it so.  That asswipe you peddle is the equivalent to ALL republicans are sucking dicks in the Minneapolis Airport, and I won't let you paint all those republicans with that brush.


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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/7/2010 2:01:44 PM   
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Those would be loyal democratic voters.



"You will not have one (a filibusterproof majority) in the house."

this is classic Mnottertail nonsense.

He knows he can't actually defend his ideological side, so he resorts to crap like this.

He makes words, but they don't mean anything.

And some folks are so dumb they buy it.

Of course "we" will not have a filibuster proof majority in the House. there is no filibuster in the House. I never said we would.


Its a bunch of spew he makes because its all he can do.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/7/2010 2:04:26 PM   
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