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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 8:05:21 PM

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"Now THAT was stupid. Honest-to-god-of-your-choice ramlatch bullshit of the first water."

Stupid? Naawww...not stupid. Liberals want to be a capitalist when it comes to taking your money. Otherwise, liberals denigrate capitalism, conservatism, American exceptionalism, secure borders and most other things that people with a modicum of common sense value.

So do not do business with them. Don't go to their stores. Don't buy their products. Don't have liberal dip-shit teachers inculcate your kids with their failed, collectivist, globalist bullshit. Shun them and do business with the people who believe in the same ideals you do; the ideals on which this country was founded.

Know your enemy. Liberals lie. Liberals deceive. Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity. Do NO business with a liberal. Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing. Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy.

So in other words, the nice men in the clean white coats had the day off today.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 8:11:06 PM

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Oh boy...a liberal publication sounds a warning for Republicans....yawn.

The most salient quote from the above drivel is as follows:

"Mr Obama deserves to be pegged back. This newspaper supported him in 2008 and backed his disappointing-but-necessary health-care plan. But he has done little to fix the deficit, shown a zeal for big government and all too often given the impression that capitalism is something unpleasant he found on the sole of his sneaker. America desperately needs a strong opposition. So it is sad to report that the American right is in a mess: fratricidal, increasingly extreme on many issues and woefully short of ideas, let alone solutions."

So the Economist supported Obama Care that has turned out, as well all knew it would, to be a debacle. Just another reason not to buy the Economist. Sure, read it if you find it on the floor of a gas station bathroom stall...knock yourself out. But one of the biggest reasons to have opposed O'scumbag Care is that it is unconstituional. The Commerce Clause regulates commercial activity. Deciding NOT TO BUY health insurance is not a commercial activity; it is a commercial NON-ACTIVITY. Got it? Non-activities aren't regulated because you have the freedom (or you had the freedom, rather) to eschew participating in commerce. Not so if things abortion is upheld.

So what if the next mandated act of commerce is that everyone wear (or at least buy) a pair of red bowling shoes? Or how about compulsory organ donation in order to get health care credits. Whatever, we can come up with far fetched slippery slopes all night long. The fact of the matter is that you are now ORDERED into the stream of commerce whether you like it or not.

Know your enemy. Liberals lie. Liberals deceive. Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity. Do NO business with a liberal. Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing. Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 8:11:59 PM

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As a true conservative I believe all children are innocents and should not under any circumstance be held responsible for the actions of their parents. I also believe there are provisions in the current system that if enforced would mitigate the problem you describe. I think there are many laws on the books that are not being enforced.

I also believe there have been changes in the system in the last 15 years that address working on welfare and how often and how much can be received. Many seem to forget this or don't know it and rant over false and unfounded beliefs rather than , as a true Conservative should, find the truth.

To me charity is to help the needy and is not tyranny no matter who collects the funds.

If you read my previous post you would know my feelings on taxes.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 8:14:01 PM

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that has turned out, as well all knew it would, to be a debacle

How so? Hardly any of it is in effect yet.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 8:19:32 PM

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"To me charity is to help the needy and is not tyranny no matter who collects the funds."

And thus, that is where your argument fails. People who purposefully manipulate the system are not the innocents who receive charity. You know what the problem with welfare is? People will always work under the table or work just little less to be under the cut off to lose their welfare. As a landlord, I see if everyday. I see people being prosecuted for fraud or I see them losing their "assistance". So what does that say about human nature? I submit that it says that once you give someone an entitlement, you will be hard pressed to wean them off of it.

With respect for taxation, the argument, for most people, is not whether the government can tax but at what rate. Do you feel that it is fair for the government to take 50% or your earnings? So for every apple you pick, the government takes one???

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 8:21:44 PM

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Do you feel that it is fair for the government to take 50% or your earnings?

Dude, the top tax bracket is only 35%, and even that's only on the portion of income over $373,650.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 8:21:56 PM

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Jesus Christ...watch the news. If you are going to post, SAY something. Did you not hear about
the whole waiver issue going on with McDonald's and other major corporations?

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 8:40:09 PM

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that has turned out, as well all knew it would, to be a debacle

How so? Hardly any of it is in effect yet.

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Yup, and already premiums are going up 20%, policies are being cancelled, and companies are bailing out of their plans. It will only get worse from here.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 8:44:24 PM

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And yet...no change in mine.

Sure, with regulation, the ones doing business through the practices now banned will have to find a new racket.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 8:47:21 PM

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"Dude, the top tax bracket is only 35%, and even that's only on the portion of income over $373,650."

Dude, you one dimensional line of thinking means that I'm not going to be able to waste any more time on you. Yes, the top tax bracket at 35% starts for individuals making $373,650.00. 33% bracket is $171,851. 28% is $82,401.00. Ok...I'm in the 28% bracket. I am also in a state charging me 7% and real estate taxes are $15,000.00. State, local and federal taxes cause me to lose 44% of my income. See...and that is why when dip shits say that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, they ignore the common sense fact that money begets money. If I had enough money, I would buy municipal bonds and all of my interest would be triple tax free. I would invest that interest in more bonds and so forth and so on until the only thing that worked for my income was the money I already earned. With confiscatory taxation, the super rich stay super rich, that is true. In fact, some of those people may be paying less in taxes at this point than you and I. To varying degrees depending on the person, most of us, in part or in whole, because of our over burdensome tax structure, will never have the excess cash to invest in those municipal bonds.

Know your enemy. Liberals lie. Liberals deceive. Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity. Do NO business with a liberal. Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing. Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 8:55:46 PM

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Well, I do have enough money, and you still don't know what you're talking about.

If you ever learn anything and one day have money too, ask someone about capital gains taxes and about differing rates of return.

Not to mention tax-deferred investment.

But this is a chest-beating exercise for you, and you're right, it's pointless. Or as I told you first--silly and unsupported.

If you still want to play, go back to the actual points I made in the argument at the top of the previous page. You've yet to address any of it. Google away--who knows, you may learn something.

Enjoy.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 9:03:25 PM

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I read YOUR CRAP. I did. I am not going to spend two hours and 5,000 words picking your garbage and opinion apart. I watch Willbeurdaddy and a dozen other guys point out the flaws to you arguments. I know all about capitals gains, sonny boy, and tax deferred investments....thanks. :)

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 9:04:22 PM

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Not so far, anyway. Just avoidance of the points.

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 9:11:20 PM

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As a true Conservative I believe in your right to disagree with me and the validity of our views will be decided in the voting booth.

I also as a true conservative, even if pompous...lol, understand that I don't know all the answerers and am willing to give majority opposing views a chance to prove me wrong. That is the difference between a conservative and a fanatic.

All my posts are tongue and cheek but there is Truth in them... at least for me.

I do want to make the real point that being conservative is simpler than economics, war, and welfare ...otherwise it is a part of your nature

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 9:22:19 PM

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"I also as a true conservative, even if pompous...lol, understand that I don't know all the answerers and am willing to give majority opposing views a change to prove me wrong. That is the difference from a conservative and a fanatic."

With all respect...NEVER give majority opposing views a chance to prove you wrong. If the prevailing fad of the day was smoking heroine, would you do it? Tell me where socialism has been a success? England? No. France? No. Italy? No. U.S.S.R.? No. So where is the socialist panacea? There isn't one. This country was founded on the idea that man is a self governing entity and that competition leads to a thriving society. Entitlments are a disincentive to work, to improve your lot in life, to succeed, you name it. If you know what is the right course of action, you don't allow weak, dishonest, nanny-state liberals dissaude you from doing what you know is right. When these people argue against your ability to make a living and to keep the lion's share of what you earn, you have to ask "why?" Why is that their position? What do they hope to gain?

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RE: The Failure of Conservatism - 10/8/2010 9:25:54 PM

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Not fads my friend but opposing legislation duly enacted by officials elected by the majority.

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The Failure - 10/8/2010 9:27:08 PM

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It appears that some idiots do not really GET the picture. What does one do with a failure?

People used to just trash it but we are more ecofriendly now. Recycle that failure.

Every single failure of our government, recycled. It is about the politicians and politics living fat at our expense when the man on the same corner does not have any coin or cash because of imposed taxation. Sure he could get help from other agencies that take care of government displaced people.

So say goodbye to money. The paper is worthless because it has become tainted with all the despairs and greed at the expense of integrity.

The internet connects everyone. Wait, how many people are sitting down trying to represent the people as a collective? We have the net and we can see we have MULTITUDES while government is a select few.

This boggles my mind. Do you people realize how DIVIDED we are? Do you know WHY we are so divided? So much energy wasted.

So yes. Fuck paper money give me my energy.

Get rid of that cozy notion to have people butcher cows for them. We don't need the cows. If you really want to eat mean KILL IT YOURSELF.
Cows are killing us in numbers. This may sound radical or esoteric.

As to my political stance do not try to label me up with liberal/conservative bullshit. That does not define who you are and who you should associate yourself with. Get rid of that notion too.

If you think this is some utopia state that will never reach fruition you are sadly mistaken. If we continue on this path without changing we are all going to die and we will be shook off like fleas from the earth. Ten thousand years later and everything is pristine and raw. The only things left might be the pyramids and other monolithic structures designed by the hand of man.

So good luck and I hope someone is declared a winner in this pansy ass internet war that seems to be waged for some ego boosting troglodytes.

I have ceased to be nice because it was definitely not appreciated. Now you will.

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RE: The Failure - 10/8/2010 9:35:45 PM

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Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....hmmm. Are you arguing for some kind of return to the whole hunter/gatherer thing? The nomad living off the land thing? Hey...I'm all for living off the grid, mind you.

You said this:

"So say goodbye to money. The paper is worthless because it has become tainted with all the despairs and greed at the expense of integrity." I don't know what the hell that means but I agree that you will be saying good bye to paper currency in the next ten years or so because one of the ultimate means of control is digitizing the currency.

You said this:

"If you want to eat meat, kill it yourself. Cows are killing us." Ummmm...yeah. Hey, I am all about killing my own food. I'm seriously considering making liberals a staple in my diet. But seriously folks....

You said not to identify yoursel as liberal or conservative. Well, my friend, as long as you are living in this cesspool the U.S. has become (and most other places for that matter) you really don't have a choice. You are either involved or you are allowing other people to make your choices. Even if you retreat to the woods, is it YOUR property you are living on or Federal/State land? There is no getting away from this battle.

Know your enemy. Liberals lie. Liberals deceive. Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity. Do NO business with a liberal. Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing. Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy.

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RE: The Failure - 10/8/2010 10:00:48 PM

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Know your enemy. Liberals lie. Liberals deceive. Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity. Do NO business with a liberal. Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing. Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy.

war is uncivilized jackass. Apparently you must of skipped over a few parts. What you say represents an outdated mode of thinking.

Speaking of thinking, do you do any yourself?

Whatever you desire to label your self as go ahead. You have the freedom to do so. So besides your attack on someone who believes people should own guns your post has no substance. Do you really believe it is all liberals fault because you are a conservative or have you actually thought about the amount of residual hate you must carry?

Do I have to hold your hand too?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle#Environmental_impact

Your mind is closed and it seems that you prefer it that way.
Do you realize how much ENERGY from the SUN is wasted by eating MEAT!!! This is not some fantasy liberal dream this is concrete fact. Science man, cue the science.

The chain of life begins with the sun as Zero. Grass Absorbs sunlight as do other plants. Cows eat the grass. Then you have to deal with the cow patties and methane gas bags and getting it to A to B without getting spoiled. Then butchered and butchered and ground right up with garbage. Also, as a meat eater your WASTE is extremely toxic. And must be processed at a plant.

If you don't want to change your lifestyle go right ahead. You are going to find your thinking rather displaced.

You have failed. I do not care if you are liberal/conservative/democrat/republican or some other idealized duality between subjects that span far greater than what a label can do. And it is individuals like yourself that put us into a mess. Well, to be fair it is all of our faults.

The only reason why money exists is because it made trade liquid. Now we have a super-fluid and it is called the internet. Money does not get things done. People do.

As to the hunting and gathering will their be any people left to see it?

Have a nice life in your world of absolute negativity.

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RE: The Failure - 10/8/2010 10:11:31 PM

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"Whatever you desire to label your self as go ahead. You have the freedom to do so. So besides your attack on someone who believes people should own guns your post has no substance. Do you really believe it is all liberals fault because you are a conservative or have you actually thought about the amount of residual hate you must carry?"

You mindless cur. Go take your coffee shop philosophy and shove it up your ass....jack ass.

"Do you realize how much ENERGY from the SUN is wasted by eating MEAT!!! This is not some fantasy liberal dream this is concrete fact. Science man, cue the science."

I like a good steak you loser idiot. You want to be a vegan? I would prefer you eat nothing at all. If you can't stay on topic just a little bit, go back to Starbucks and leave the adults alone. What a fucking jerk off.

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