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AnimusRex -> RE: Republican nazi re-anactor?!?!! Not a joke or Onion piece....... (10/13/2010 4:13:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Can a candidate go to a Renaissance Festival as a Knight, or would he then be painted as a Crusader? If he played cops and robbers as a kid, and played the robber, would that disqualify him from running as a Republican? Ahem, from the interview with Anderson Cooper, Iott in his own words: Iott defended the members of the unit, who he said "wanted to fight what they saw as a bigger threat to them than Germany," so they joined up with the Nazis to fight the eastern front of the war against Soviet forces. "I don't think we can sit here and judge that today. We weren't there the time they made those decisions," he said. Iott called "what happened in Germany during the second World War one of "the low points in human history," but defended the Wiking Division when Cooper referred to them as collaborators: "I don't know that I would put that label on them. They were doing what they thought was right for their country. And they were going out and fighting what they thought was a bigger, you know, a bigger evil." Iott also contended that "this particular unit was one that was never charged with war crimes," though Cooper pointed out that one member was recently charged with the murder of 58 Jews. Iott replied: "The war on the eastern front was extremely brutal on both sides. Nobody was lily-white, that's for sure. Horrible things that happened on both sides." Cooper also asked about the reenators' website, which he said describes members of the Wiking unit as "valiant men." He asked Iott if he believed these were "valiant men." "I think that they thought they were fighting for their homeland," Iott said. When pressed further, he replied: "I don't think we can sit here and judge that today. We weren't there the time they made those decisions." This guy isn't "reenacting", or playing a fantasy football game. He refuses to condemn the Nazis, and tries to play the "they're all bad" argumnent, to minimize the Nazi atrocities and crimes. "We can't sit here and judge", my ass.

Nosathro -> RE: Republican nazi re-anactor?!?!! Not a joke or Onion piece....... (10/14/2010 10:36:48 AM)
As a Historical Re-anactor one of the objectives is to inform the public of what it was really like living back in the time period being presented. There are many historical misconceptions. My Ren Group is the Spainish Army in Flanders during the late 1500s, what is now Belgium. Many people are surprised at what we have in our encampment, and we have won awards for our encampments representation of that time period. Being in California however, I found that the Latin Community looks on the Spainish as Conquerors. I am not going to deny atrociteies that occured in the Second World War, in fact if you really exam wars you can find many acts that we would view as crimes and atrocites. But if one looks at history objectivily what really happen is not what one thinks actually happen. Since there is the issue of the Waffen SS let me point out a few facts. At the start of World War 2 there were only 3 SS Divions, 2nd SS Panzer, 5th Mountain Division, and a horse cavlary Divion 8th SS Cavlary Florian Geyer yet at the end of the war there were some 38 SS Division, where did they come from. Many of these units were made up of volunteer from other countries, such as France, Croatain, Russian, Hungarian etc. The 5th SS Panzer Division, Wiking had Scandinavians in their ranks. It is documented that the largest National ethnic group in the Waffen SS were the Dutch. Most joined the Waffen SS not so much as believing Nazi idelogy but to fight the Russian who they view as a threat. The 2nd SS Panzer Division was deployed on almost every front, it was used as the Spearhead of German offensives, it was first in and last, it had the highest number of Oak Leaf Iron Crosses, Germany equal to the Congressional Medal of Honor. The Waffen SS considered themselves apart from what is known as the Black Shirt SS, near the end of the war they become very vocal when Himmler wanted all SS Units regardless of their duties to wear the field grey uniforms of the Army the Waffen SS consider this insulting.

thishereboi -> RE: Republican nazi re-anactor?!?!! Not a joke or Onion piece....... (10/14/2010 11:00:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl oh my post wasnt in defense of anyone. the day anyone needs defending on these boards is the day i become domme. i just posted to annoy you. and i succeeded [:D] how does it feel to get back what you give? Not annoyed, just slightly below amused[8D]

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