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pogo4pres -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/20/2010 1:28:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Knucklehead, why don't you post actuall evidence of the quote from the 911 commission, oh yeah cause it ain't actually there.



This directly from page 118 paragraph 3 (or 4 if you count the continuation of the previous page's paragraph):

The failure of the strikes, the “wag the dog” slur, the intense partisanship of the period,and the nature of the al Shifa evidence likely had a cumulative effect on future decisions about the use of force against Bin Ladin. Berger told us that he did not feel any sense of constraint.

That is how it reads in MY COPY of the 9-11 commission report, if you can cite something different have at it.


Historically,
Some Knucklehead in NJ


P.S. You need to learn to never make a claim as easily disproved as this stupid shit.




tazzygirl -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/20/2010 1:30:15 PM)

Damn if that isnt the same thing i posted.




Lucylastic -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/20/2010 1:34:44 PM)

Its in my copy too:)





pogo4pres -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/20/2010 1:38:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Damn if that isnt the same thing i posted.   



I was sourcing it in my copy while you "cheated" and used the net. 

Either way we shot his assertion full of holes.




tazzygirl -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/20/2010 1:41:23 PM)

LOL

Im a lazy researcher, though i do have a copy of the Constitution on my desk, the wooden one, not the pc desktop.




luckydawg -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/20/2010 1:48:18 PM)

No tazzy that paragraph says,

"All his aides testified to us that they based their advice solely on national security considerations. We have found no reason to question their statements. The failure of the strikes, the "wag the dog" slur, the intense partisanship of the period, and the nature of the al Shifa evidence likely had a cumulative effect on future decisions about the use of force against Bin Ladin. Berger told us that he did not feel any sense of constraint.52"

very different than what pogo alleged.

In fact Sandy Berger testified that they were not Constrained by the criticism.


Thre is a lot of great stuff that everyone should read on that page though.


from the next paragraph,

"Despite the availability of information that al Qaeda was a global network, in 1998 policymakers knew little about the organization. The reams of new information that the CIA's Bin Ladin unit had been developing since 1996 had not been pulled together and synthesized for the rest of the government. Indeed, analysts in the unit felt that they were viewed as alarmists even within the CIA. A National Intelligence Estimate on terrorism in 1997 had only briefly mentioned Bin Ladin, and no subsequent national estimate would authoritatively evaluate the terrorism danger until after 9/11. Policymakers knew there was a dangerous individual, Usama Bin Ladin, whom they had been trying to capture and bring to trial. Documents at the time referred to Bin Ladin "and his associates" or Bin Ladin and his "network." They did not emphasize the existence of a structured worldwide organization gearing up to train thousands of potential terrorists.53 "



The GOP was not spewing wag the dog shit. Show me one request the Republicans in Congress turned down.

The left was up in arms over the bombing of an "asprin factory" in Sudan.

Your report specifically does not name Republicans as the "wag the Dog Slurers" but says Public Commentary.

and it was the left and europeons sayign these attacks would create thousands of new terrorists.

"Berger was particularly rankled by an editorial in the Economist that said that only the future would tell whether the U.S. missile strikes had "created 10,000 new fanatics where there would have been none."49
Much public commentary turned immediately to scalding criticism that the action was too aggressive. The Sudanese denied that al Shifa produced nerve gas, and they allowed journalists to visit what was left of a seemingly harmless facility. President Clinton, Vice President Gore, Berger, Tenet, and Clarke insisted to us that their judgment was right, pointing to the soil sample evidence. No independent evidence has emerged to corroborate the CIA's assessment.50 "



everyone should read this chapter.... http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch4.htm




mnottertail -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/20/2010 1:49:05 PM)

Color me shocked about this whole thread.




tazzygirl -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/20/2010 1:54:31 PM)

Its on page 118 of the report.... page 135 on the pdf file. And its exactly as Pogo stated.




luckydawg -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/20/2010 2:03:17 PM)

EVEN THE 9-11 COMMISSION REFERRED TO THE WAG THE DOG SLUR. (And they called it a slur in their report) as to why some shit on terror was not able to be done sooner.

actually Tazzy, that is what Pogo wrote.

It has two elements tied together, one that a slur was used, and two that the slur was why some shit on terror was not done.

Both elements have to be true for it to be a true statement.

They aren't.

You can pretend otherwise if you like.


I guess you can go all technicall and say that Pogo's sentance and following sentance fragmentare unrelated, and he is just dumb.

But it is very clear he is not, and it was a typo which should have read.



EVEN THE 9-11 COMMISSION REFERRED TO THE WAG THE DOG SLUR (and they called it a slur in their report) as to why some shit on terror was not able to be done sooner.

Two elements, both of which have to be true for the sentance to be true.

and they are not, just one is.

But I am very aware you will never admit it, so we can move on now.




Owner59 -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/20/2010 3:46:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its on page 118 of the report.... page 135 on the pdf file. And its exactly as Pogo stated.



It`s the cool-aid tazzy......it`s as blinding as it is dumbing.




tazzygirl -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/20/2010 4:42:59 PM)

quote:

The failure of the strikes, the “wag the dog” slur, the intense partisanship of the period,and the nature of the al Shifa evidence likely had a cumulative effect on future decisions about the use of force against Bin Ladin. Berger told us that he did not feel any sense of constraint.


Lets see.... Its your assertion...

quote:

Both elements have to be true for it to be a true statement.


Ok, lets look at both parts then. The first is easy....

quote:

It has two elements tied together, one that a slur was used,


The part i posted about, and that pogo posted, was...

quote:

the “wag the dog” slur


Its there. And the second part...

quote:

and two that the slur was why some shit on terror was not done


The report stated....

quote:

likely had a cumulative effect on future decisions about the use of force against Bin Ladin.


Part two proven. Hmmm

seems to me both parts are there, lucky.




luckydawg -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 3:56:00 AM)

no Tazzy.

"Likely had" does not mean "was".



Pogo changed what was actually said, to spin it.

Are you actually asserting that one can change a verb from a conditional to a definitive, and it is the same in lefty logic land??

Your better than this.

Or maybe you're not.





Lucylastic -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 4:54:21 AM)

Its called paraphrasing as he wasn't directly quoting what the report said.
you called bullshit on the whole sentence or that change of words???
Stop back  pedaling, you will back pedal so far you will disappear up your own arse
Nothing you have twisted negates the fact the slur was mentioned in the commission report. which you said it was not
at least be honest enough to admit that.
Or go ahead and invoke TOS  thing again
You claimed people here were cheering over dead kids back in post 221, yet no one did anything of the sort.
so two words in Pogos  post  compared to your lie and smear... guess who people are going to believe.
edited to add. I wont be responding to you. again. be happy





rulemylife -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 5:31:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

no Tazzy.

"Likely had" does not mean "was".



Pogo changed what was actually said, to spin it.

Are you actually asserting that one can change a verb from a conditional to a definitive, and it is the same in lefty logic land??

Your better than this.

Or maybe you're not.


One would think that after you were bitch-slapped all over the board by a number of posters about your misinterpretation of a compound noun you would learn to refrain from trying to make linguistic arguments.






RacerJim -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 6:08:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250
I wonder why Obama is so "sensitive" about his background?

Perhaps because people like you haven't shut up about it since '09?

Most likely because there's something(s) about his background he doesn't want "We the people..." to know.




RacerJim -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 6:09:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

And still believe the debunked lies.!!!!!!
he might catch up in 2016


Which lies about Obama have been debunked, specifically?????




Lucylastic -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 6:17:53 AM)

what liess have been proved to be true???

dont play stupid games you cant win




rulemylife -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 6:17:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim

Which lies about Obama have been debunked, specifically?????


For one, specifically, that he was not born in Hawaii.

Specifically.




RacerJim -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 6:23:49 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

I wonder why Obama is so "sensitive" about his background?


I think there will be at least one AG elected who will welcome 0bama0 to the wonderful world of transparency, and that of proving eligibility. More on 11/3 perhaps.

Now that's Hope and Change I support! :-) No one with the fiduciary duty to verify Obama's eligibility and/or the controlling legal authority to demand Obama prove his eligibility has done so.




slvemike4u -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 6:38:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

No tazzy that paragraph says,

"All his aides testified to us that they based their advice solely on national security considerations. We have found no reason to question their statements. The failure of the strikes, the "wag the dog" slur, the intense partisanship of the period, and the nature of the al Shifa evidence likely had a cumulative effect on future decisions about the use of force against Bin Ladin. Berger told us that he did not feel any sense of constraint.52"

very different than what pogo alleged.

In fact Sandy Berger testified that they were not Constrained by the criticism.


Thre is a lot of great stuff that everyone should read on that page though.


from the next paragraph,

"Despite the availability of information that al Qaeda was a global network, in 1998 policymakers knew little about the organization. The reams of new information that the CIA's Bin Ladin unit had been developing since 1996 had not been pulled together and synthesized for the rest of the government. Indeed, analysts in the unit felt that they were viewed as alarmists even within the CIA. A National Intelligence Estimate on terrorism in 1997 had only briefly mentioned Bin Ladin, and no subsequent national estimate would authoritatively evaluate the terrorism danger until after 9/11. Policymakers knew there was a dangerous individual, Usama Bin Ladin, whom they had been trying to capture and bring to trial. Documents at the time referred to Bin Ladin "and his associates" or Bin Ladin and his "network." They did not emphasize the existence of a structured worldwide organization gearing up to train thousands of potential terrorists.53 "



The GOP was not spewing wag the dog shit. Show me one request the Republicans in Congress turned down.

The left was up in arms over the bombing of an "asprin factory" in Sudan.

Your report specifically does not name Republicans as the "wag the Dog Slurers" but says Public Commentary.

and it was the left and europeons sayign these attacks would create thousands of new terrorists.

"Berger was particularly rankled by an editorial in the Economist that said that only the future would tell whether the U.S. missile strikes had "created 10,000 new fanatics where there would have been none."49
Much public commentary turned immediately to scalding criticism that the action was too aggressive. The Sudanese denied that al Shifa produced nerve gas, and they allowed journalists to visit what was left of a seemingly harmless facility. President Clinton, Vice President Gore, Berger, Tenet, and Clarke insisted to us that their judgment was right, pointing to the soil sample evidence. No independent evidence has emerged to corroborate the CIA's assessment.50 "



everyone should read this chapter.... http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch4.htm
Try reading the colored portion again lucky....or is it your belief that NCA should send a missile up anyone's ass....disregarding civilian casulties...we so choose.
Now 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing...but unfortunately we didn't know then what we know now.Perhaps Nancy Reagan and her tea leaves should have been consulted.




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