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Moonhead -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 9:18:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

Which lies about Obama have been debunked, specifically?????


For one, specifically, that he was not born in Hawaii.

Specifically.


And the Marxist thing, of course. The right leaning tosser's done a good job of debunking that one over the last year and a half, hasn't he?




RacerJim -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 9:28:13 AM)


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I wonder why Obama is so "sensitive" about his background?


I think there will be at least one AG elected who will welcome 0bama0 to the wonderful world of transparency, and that of proving eligibility. More on 11/3 perhaps.


Let's face reality here, you birthers will never believe he is eligible regardless.

The birth certificate has been published, Hawaii state officials have vouched for its authenticity, yet we still hear hear this utter nonsense.



Let's do indeed face reality here, you birther attackers will always believe he is eligible irregardless.

Reality 1. That Hawaii State officials have vouched for the authenticity of Obama's Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" that has been published is not prima-facie evidence of Obama's eligibility because when it was issued Hawaii law allowed same to be issued for foreign born babies.

Reality 2. Until mid-July 2009 when it curiously changed it's criteria, the Deparment of Hawaii Home Lands would not accept a Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" as prima-facie evidence of being a native born Hawaiian, therefore said document cannot possibly be prima-facie evidence of meeting the U.S. Constitution's stricter criteria of being a "natural born Citizen".

Reality 3. The Hawaii Democratic Party did not certify Obama's (or Biden's) eligibility to serve as POTUS (and V.P.) "...under the provisions of the United States Constitution..." as it had done for previous Democratic POTUS-V.P. nominees but, rather, "...under provisions of the National Democratic Party..."

Reality 4. Bearing Reality 3 in mind, National Democratic Party Election Committee Chairperson Nancy Pelosi therefore had a fiduciary duty NOT to certify Obama’s eligibility because the Democratic Party of the State supposedly with access to evidence of Obama’s eligibility per the U.S. Constitution not only DID NOT CERTIFY same but intentionally "passed the buck" regarding same back to the National Democratic Party.

Reality 5. That Hawaii State officials have vouched for the authenticity of Obama's Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" actually makes it prima-facie evidence that Obama is NOT eligible because the person listed thereon as his father was never a U.S. Citizen in any way, shape or form and, therefore, Obama cannot be a "natural born Citizen" as determined by at least four legacy SCOTUS cases...i.e. born in the U.S to U.S. Citizen parents (plural).

I could easily list more realities but suffice it to say that no one with the fiduciary duty to verify Obama's eligiblity or the controlling legal authority to make Obama prove his eligiblity per the U.S. Constitution either before, during or since the election has done so.





mnottertail -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 9:31:25 AM)

Well, then you owe us several presidents, since Gerald Ford was adopted, let us consider what we know about his actual birth parents....

I firmly believe they were from Finland.




slvemike4u -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 9:31:31 AM)

This must be the Twilight Zone....a "birther" posting about reality.Too funny for words.




RacerJim -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 9:47:28 AM)


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The birth certificate has been published, Hawaii state officials have vouched for its authenticity, yet we still hear hear this utter nonsense.


That is just factually wrong wrong wrong.
A document has been published.
The "long form" BC is locked in a vault in Hawaii. The curator- or whatever his title is- has said it is there and legitimate. He has not testified under oath what is on it. No one has.
For what it's worth, I would, if forced, bet that he was born in Hawaii, that 0bama0 has fought hard to keep it- the long form- secret only because something embarassing is on it. Religion, father, whatever.

But that does not necessarily make him a "natural born citizen". No one knows what constitutes an "nbc" because there is no SCOTUS ruling on point. The only things we know are:
1. The original definition included 4 criteria.
2. 0bama0 staisfies two of them if he was born in Hawaii.

I want the matter challenged, and for SCOTUS to issue a definative ruling, thereby avoiding future controversy.


Bull-Fucking-Shit.

It's been proven time and again and has been documented time and again on this board.

Yet people like you refuse to accept what's put in front of your face.



Bull-Fucking-Shit back at you.

Cite one Court case which proved Obama's eligiblity after an actual trial, nevermind documented time and again on this (or any other) board.

People like you simple accept what Obama puts in front of your face.




mnottertail -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 9:53:20 AM)

All things in good order, Gerald Ford was born in Finland.




RacerJim -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 9:55:23 AM)


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Targeted assassination was taking place under Bush, not that I heard any from the right complaining about it. Maybe Obama should text Bin laden and co and they will be on the next flight to Washington. [8|]


Why would l-dawg complain (or most hawks) complain about it?


Best ask him, he often makes a point of mentioning it. I have stated often enough I am all for taking out terrorists, providing there is proof. What makes the drone attacks wrong is when they hit wedding parties and such.


Only fools hold weddings in war zones. :-)




RacerJim -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 10:00:39 AM)


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what liess have been proved to be true???

dont play stupid games you cant win



His LIE that he would accept FEC matching funding for the general election if McCain did, for just one of his LIES.

I'd suggest you stop playing games, unless of course you love losing.




RacerJim -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 10:04:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

Which lies about Obama have been debunked, specifically?????


For one, specifically, that he was not born in Hawaii.

Specifically.



And that has been debunked by who, what, when and where?

Specifically.




RacerJim -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 10:41:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

Which lies about Obama have been debunked, specifically?????


For one, specifically, that he was not born in Hawaii.

Specifically.


And the Marxist thing, of course. The right leaning tosser's done a good job of debunking that one over the last year and a half, hasn't he?


Obama's father was a Marxist. Obama's paternal grandfather was a Marxist. Obama's mentor during his high school years was a Marxist. In his own book, "Dreams from My Father", Obama himself says that (during his college years) he sought out and developed close associations with radical Communists, Marxists and Socialists. During his election campaign Obama implored us to judge him not by his words but, rather, by who he surrounds himself with and ever since he was elected he has surrounded himself almost exclusively with radical Communists, Marxists and Socialists.




Moonhead -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 10:46:21 AM)

I hate to have to be the one to tell you this, but there isn't a genetic basis for ideology.

And I don't see any radical communists, Marxists or socialists in his cabinet. Sorry. Maybe you should find out what these terms mean if you're going to continue bandying them about?




slvemike4u -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 11:00:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Targeted assassination was taking place under Bush, not that I heard any from the right complaining about it. Maybe Obama should text Bin laden and co and they will be on the next flight to Washington. [8|]


Why would l-dawg complain (or most hawks) complain about it?


Best ask him, he often makes a point of mentioning it. I have stated often enough I am all for taking out terrorists, providing there is proof. What makes the drone attacks wrong is when they hit wedding parties and such.


Only fools hold weddings in war zones. :-)

Only fools are of the opinion that normal,sometimes mundane and often trivial acts of everyday life occur all the time....and yes even in what passes for "war zones" in our modern world




Politesub53 -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 11:17:15 AM)

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Only fools hold weddings in war zones. :-)



Only fools make statements like this. :-)




luckydawg -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 11:20:01 AM)


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No tazzy that paragraph says,

"All his aides testified to us that they based their advice solely on national security considerations. We have found no reason to question their statements. The failure of the strikes, the "wag the dog" slur, the intense partisanship of the period, and the nature of the al Shifa evidence likely had a cumulative effect on future decisions about the use of force against Bin Ladin. Berger told us that he did not feel any sense of constraint.52"

very different than what pogo alleged.

In fact Sandy Berger testified that they were not Constrained by the criticism.


Thre is a lot of great stuff that everyone should read on that page though.


from the next paragraph,

"Despite the availability of information that al Qaeda was a global network, in 1998 policymakers knew little about the organization. The reams of new information that the CIA's Bin Ladin unit had been developing since 1996 had not been pulled together and synthesized for the rest of the government. Indeed, analysts in the unit felt that they were viewed as alarmists even within the CIA. A National Intelligence Estimate on terrorism in 1997 had only briefly mentioned Bin Ladin, and no subsequent national estimate would authoritatively evaluate the terrorism danger until after 9/11. Policymakers knew there was a dangerous individual, Usama Bin Ladin, whom they had been trying to capture and bring to trial. Documents at the time referred to Bin Ladin "and his associates" or Bin Ladin and his "network." They did not emphasize the existence of a structured worldwide organization gearing up to train thousands of potential terrorists.53 "



The GOP was not spewing wag the dog shit. Show me one request the Republicans in Congress turned down.

The left was up in arms over the bombing of an "asprin factory" in Sudan.

Your report specifically does not name Republicans as the "wag the Dog Slurers" but says Public Commentary.

and it was the left and europeons sayign these attacks would create thousands of new terrorists.

"Berger was particularly rankled by an editorial in the Economist that said that only the future would tell whether the U.S. missile strikes had "created 10,000 new fanatics where there would have been none."49
Much public commentary turned immediately to scalding criticism that the action was too aggressive. The Sudanese denied that al Shifa produced nerve gas, and they allowed journalists to visit what was left of a seemingly harmless facility. President Clinton, Vice President Gore, Berger, Tenet, and Clarke insisted to us that their judgment was right, pointing to the soil sample evidence. No independent evidence has emerged to corroborate the CIA's assessment.50 "



everyone should read this chapter.... http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch4.htm
Try reading the colored portion again lucky....or is it your belief that NCA should send a missile up anyone's ass....disregarding civilian casulties...we so choose.
Now 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing...but unfortunately we didn't know then what we know now.Perhaps Nancy Reagan and her tea leaves should have been consulted.



Yes Mike, Obama and I are in agreement that we can use force to protect America.




Politesub53 -> RE: Democrats 'shocked' about foreign money (10/21/2010 11:22:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

For one, specifically, that he was not born in Hawaii.

Specifically.



And that has been debunked by who, what, when and where?

Specifically.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp  Specifically.




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