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RE: The Tea Party and their chosen candidates....Americ... - 10/16/2010 2:35:40 PM   
hertz


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Status: offline 		Mustn't forget there are various shades of Socialism and Fascism.

Israel, for example is often quoted as a country with an appetite for Fascism, and most European countries maintain some Socialism-inspired entities like (in the UK) the NHS and State Education.

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RE: The Tea Party and their chosen candidates....Americ... - 10/16/2010 3:44:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Several errors there.
First, the final solution was up and running before 1942, whatever the revisionists like to claim.
Second, the demarcation between "concentration camps" and "death camps" is a lot more porous than you're suggesting.
Throughout his interviews during the 'thirties, Hitler spewed a great deal of bile at the terrible threat Marxism posed to Western civilisation. Neither he nor Stalin saw their treaty as anything other than a delaying tactic, and they certainly weren't buddies. If you want to see an example of that in '30s politics, I suggest you compare Stalin to Mussolini, in terms of how they got on with Hitler.

I take it you've some similarly half baked refutal that the Condor legion was killing Communists during the Spanish Civil War as well?

Correct. The "Final Solution" was not formalized until the Wannsee-Konferenz of January 20, 1942. I have been to the Haus-der Wannsee-Konferenz in Wannsee, just north of Potsdam, so it's something I know a bit about. Mass executions in gas vans began at Chelmno 7 December 1941. However, the intent to eliminate the Jews from Europe began much earlier. Here is a chilling statement from the Kalisch Governor, Freidrich Ueberhoer, dated 10 December 1939:
"The establishment of the Ghetto is obviously only a temporary measure. At which juncture and by what means the Ghetto, and with it the city of Lodz, will be purged of Jews, I will ultimately decide. In any case, the final objective must be the total elimination of this pestilence."

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RE: The Tea Party and their chosen candidates....Americ... - 10/16/2010 4:49:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mike, I know you asked me to visit this thread, but I just don't see much hope in, or point to, engaging here.

Ya'll have fun though.

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RE: The Tea Party and their chosen candidates....Americ... - 10/16/2010 6:04:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lockedaway
Whether the government actually owns the business so that all General Motors Employees are government workers or that the coporation is so overseen by the government that their independent existence is a fiction is a distinction without a difference.


I actually agree with you, although in a manner different than you intended. When the government and private interests become intermingled, they inveitably collude to the detriment of the People. You warn against the government taking over private interests- but what happens when the private interests take over government?

Like, when BP colluded with the MMS to skirt safety regulations, and the MMS employees referred to the businesses they were supposed to be regulating as their "customers", and saw their mission as helping and aiding the corporations instead of regulating them for the benefit of the public....

When Goldman Sachs is called "Government Sachs" due to the many former employees who now work for the government, who see the government's mission as being to protect and enrich Goldman...

When Blackwater and Halliburton are given no-bid noncompetitive contracts without any sort of oversight or control by the government, effectively handing control of national security and warmaking to private unaccountable hands...

Is that socialism? Or fascism? Or just good ol' Capitalism [pause to genuflect]

I find it interesting that the Founders never mentioned economic systems inthe Constitution; instead their genius was in seeing that too much power in too few hands is a danger to liberty. So maybe instead of fixating on abstract economic theories, we should instead be asking a more basic question:

Is the political and economic power in America concentrated in too few hands?

Do we have a society in which every Citizen is equally empowered?

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