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TheRaptorJesus -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 1:00:31 PM)

Since it isn't a lifestyle, no, I wouldn't care at all. 




Daddysredhead -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 1:01:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tewy01

i think that is what angel was trying to clarify. You can't change an alpha male.He rules


Agreed   [:)]




leadership527 -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 1:03:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
I see it completely different. He comes home from work and is extremely stressed...
While it's certainly true that your relationship and mine are vastly different, it's worth pointing out that the situations I'm referring to are not the "come home from work stressed" situations. At least in my life, I've been handed (or more normally -- bitten off) much larger challenges than that and some of those have been more than I was capable of handling. Surely I cannot be the only living dominant personality that's run into a situation somewhere in his life that rendered him more or less completely dysfunctional.... death of a spouse for instance... breakup of a long-term relationship... that sort of thing.




TheRaptorJesus -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 1:05:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
I see it completely different. He comes home from work and is extremely stressed...
While it's certainly true that your relationship and mine are vastly different, it's worth pointing out that the situations I'm referring to are not the "come home from work stressed" situations. At least in my life, I've been handed (or more normally -- bitten off) much larger challenges than that and some of those have been more than I was capable of handling. Surely I cannot be the only living dominant personality that's run into a situation somewhere in his life that rendered him more or less completely dysfunctional.... death of a spouse for instance... breakup of a long-term relationship... that sort of thing.


No! If you're Alpha, you're Alpha at all times!

You obviously aren't a twue dominant.




willowspirit -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 1:05:49 PM)

Sorry, I'm picking up on this thread a little late. Great topic. Good questions and comments.

Also sorry, that I don't have the time right now to read all the posts thus far, so forgive me if I'm saying things that have already been said.

There is a difference between who you ARE and the actions you DO.
Who are you ... in your gut?
It's one thing to teach a submissive to TOP, or to behave "Dom-ish", neither of which can turn you INTO a Dominant.

A person IS who they ARE.
"Dominant" and "submissive" are personality traits, genetic stuff... like the color of your eyes or hair.

Sure -- someone can put in colored contact lenses, or dye their hair -- but that doesn't change the reality, only the apearance.
AND, as we all know, "Appearances can be deceiving".

Topping and/or "Domming" skills are actions -- almost anyone can be taught them. "Submitting" and "bottoming" could be just "roles" to try-- or they can be from deep inside of the person and who he or she REALLY is inside... A submissive human being.

Be yourself, have fun with all of it, just KNOW who you ARE deep down inside. Don't pretend to be something you're not.

And my answer, YES, as a submissive, I would NOT pledge myself to a faux Dominant and YES, there would be HUGE problems in that relationship.
But this is just me, personally, as it takes all kinds of people to make the world spin 'round.

Be honest. Know thyself. Don't portray yourself as anything other than who you are.
YOU will be the perfect match for someone.




tewy01 -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 1:11:02 PM)

Actually willow,I didn't think the subject would get so much responce.It was a simple conflicting question.Thank u for your responce.




leadership527 -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 1:17:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus
You obviously aren't a twue dominant.
You know you are SOOO right there. If only the collarme admins would submit and put a "fake" checkbox in our profiles for us I'd have that little baby ticked off in a heartbeat! And while I'm at it, I've been rallying for the Ask a Fake board for over a year now with no positive results (clearly pointing to a lack of true dominance).




TheRaptorJesus -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 1:21:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus
You obviously aren't a twue dominant.
You know you are SOOO right there. If only the collarme admins would submit and put a "fake" checkbox in our profiles for us I'd have that little baby ticked off in a heartbeat! And while I'm at it, I've been rallying for the Ask a Fake board for over a year now with no positive results (clearly pointing to a lack of true dominance).



Well, I think given the amount of fakes there are here (as evidenced by half the threads on the forums dedicated to deriding them) I think it's assumed that EVERY forum is really an "Ask a Fake" board. It's just implied.




DesFIP -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 1:32:02 PM)

It is always better to be honest about who you are. Because if you present yourself as not interested in bottoming at all, and then wait to collar her before you tell the truth, the relationship will end badly. She will feel lied to and used. Is this really how you want others to think of you; as a lying asshole?

Much better to tell people you are 80% dominant with 20 % bottoming needs. Or however it works out. That way people can respect you and you won't get into relationships that are bound to implode. It isn't a numbers game, which appears to be how you view it. You don't want a relationship with 74.03 percent of kinky people. You want a relationship with one person with whom you have a very high compatibility. Maybe it will take six months longer to find that special someone but when you do, she will be the right someone. And that's what matters.




tewy01 -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 2:06:34 PM)

Nicely spoken Des...[;)]




sofldan -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 3:12:41 PM)

Its really your choice, but as many subs have said here it would be a deal breaker. From reading your posts and replies you may be better off with a switch. Being Dominant is something that I cant turn off. Can I listen be sensitive and understand the needs of my sub yes. But I am the head of the relationship in all aspects. No one is going to tie me up, spank me, or order me that's just that. Even if I am exhausted drained and ready to pass out when my partner comes to me and needs my opinion/direction I'm not going to answer whatever you think is best, I am going to tell them what I think. 




Aileen1968 -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 3:13:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
I see it completely different. He comes home from work and is extremely stressed...
While it's certainly true that your relationship and mine are vastly different, it's worth pointing out that the situations I'm referring to are not the "come home from work stressed" situations. At least in my life, I've been handed (or more normally -- bitten off) much larger challenges than that and some of those have been more than I was capable of handling. Surely I cannot be the only living dominant personality that's run into a situation somewhere in his life that rendered him more or less completely dysfunctional.... death of a spouse for instance... breakup of a long-term relationship... that sort of thing.


Shore and I have both buried babies. Both buried both of our parents. Both dealt with divorce.
That kind of life stress hasn't made him suddenly want to hand over control of his life, even temporarily.
I'm not judging you. I'm just pointing out that while you may deal with certain things one way, others deal with it a completely different way.
I would not be compatible with someone that dealt with it your way.
The original OP asked if I would be in a relationship with someone who had sub tendencies. My answer remains no.
Even in all kinds of stress levels of life, if he chose to deal with those stresses in what I define as a sub manner, then no. I wouldn't be in a relationship with him. And this is coming from someone who is head over heels in love with this man.
It isn't in his dna to give up control. That also doesn't mean that he makes perfect decisions at all times. He makes the best decisions that he can at all times.
I couldn't ask for anything more.

edited to add...I have discovered that I am not compatible with someone that has any desire to be dominated or to switch, even if it's for just small periods of time. That's why I work so well with Shore. He made it clear to me from day one that he needed absolute complete control of our relationship.
The fact that he does it all with love, lust, charm, humor, personality, intelligence and common sense (plus he's damn good looking too) makes it all the better for me.




CaringandReal -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 3:30:19 PM)

It is a very hard thing, but, to tell the truth, for me it would depend, as so much does, entirely on that person. It they happened to be irresistable and also could clearly meet my need to be controlled and if they were willing to get their sub needs handled elsewhere, we might have a chance.




tewy01 -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 3:35:30 PM)

I wouldn't send my sub anywhere for needs met.If she was to be shared it would be with me present.It does depend but it is only a tendency.If MY tendency wasn't met,I would seek it else where in which case I would be cheating.




Kaliko -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 3:36:31 PM)

Eh. It wouldn't bother me. Depending on what we mean by submissive tendencies. If it means to occasionally like bottoming in the bedroom? Sure, why not? I like a whole lot of stuff in the bedroom that goes against any other part of my daily life - the more twisted the better - and I can see how for some Dominants, bottoming can be quite a twisted thrill. But if it means to become submissive in personality or in the relationship? Nope.




barelynangel -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 3:38:20 PM)

To me, alpha type men tend to move more towards demanding more control when their lives seem out of control, they don't bow down to the stress and feel the need to let someone else control or be an authority over their lives.  As Aileen says, they don't do everything perfect at the best of times and yeah they may fuck up big time, but being an alpha male means they don't give up and want someone ESPECIALLY their submissive partner to become the control and authority in the relationship, just because the going gets tough or seems too hard.  To me, its when other men become dysfunctional is when talpha men are in their element no matter how overwelming or excrutiatingly painful etc, to me, this is why they are alpha men.

Is it fair -- nope, is it realistic -- yes, for many women as is stated here.  Does this probably make some guys feel bad -- yep.  But its not a contest, its about what best fits whom.  As many women have stated, the man who is capable of being willing and does give up the control and authority he has had in a relationship with them is not a Man they would remain with.  If the women who have stated this concept is a deal breaker -- they probably wouldn't end up in a relationship with the man.  I am sorry if some Dom men don't like me saying this but a Man who is going to be prone to giving up control will show signs of same in his every day life.  His giving up control won't be a surprise because he will have done so in little ways even if he is the DOM of the relationship.

Its why many women can say their men won't do it, because they know their men, and alphaness is a natural concept they respond to daily.  Just as the man learnshis woman, the woman learns her man.

angel




tewy01 -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 3:43:37 PM)

Wow angel.I'm impressed...




WolfyMontgomery -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 3:53:50 PM)

Everyone else has great advice, from what I've seen, from so many different perspectives. It's great to see all the different sorts of people and how their relationships work and what does and doesn't work for them.

Just like what Willowspirit said, it's all about being completely honest with yourself, looking at all your wants and needs and being true to what is you rather than what stereotypes and names that people throw around. Sometimes labels don't work for people, sometimes they do, it's about being honest and up front about your needs and desires, and sometimes it takes a heck of a lot more than just a word or two to describe them.

For example, Master thinks of himself as straight, but he has sometimes (if rarely) played with men. His reasoning? The guy has to look like and/or act like a girl, or be VERY feminine - the penis isn't the thing that makes the gender for us, it's the way the person holds themselves, acts, looks, their demeanor, etc. Thus, even though they have that extra appendage and are thus considered "male" by society, it's the feminine aspects that he likes playing with. He and I both know that "straight" doesn't really apply, but neither does "bi", because *men* with the way they carry themselves, their demeanor, and the way they look, don't turn him on. In some ways I consider him "Heteroflexible", but even that doesn't explain everything about him and his preferences.
So instead of using labels, if someone asks, we tend to tell them the whole story rather than a fast answer that doesn't cover it all.

He also likes doing some "submissive" things, but we don't consider him a switch for it, because he doesn't relinquish control during those submissive acts. If anything, he "tops from the bottom" during those scenes, so it's hard to say that he's really being submissive (after all, when a submissive does it, we're always called "not twue subbies" harharhar). Thus he's Dom, at least to the two of us, and when asked, we explain, rather than using the terms "Dom" or "Switch". I've even watched him do some pretty submissive things, some of which I probably shouldn't say in public forums for fear of upsetting viewers who don't like hearing about that stuff - but I will say it was pretty damn sexy - and the fact that even though he does these things but expects full submission from me and to be in absolute control of me, it does not make me question his abilities as a Dom and does not decrease my respect for him.

As for me being able to serve a Dom with real actual submissive tendencies - the sense of wanting to relinquish control - it would depend on whether he expected ME to take control or if he could do it during a play scene with another person. I can't take control, too unsure of myself, too dead-set it my ways of giving complete control. Because of this, if he expected me to take said control and be a switch, it would be a dealbreaker simply because I couldn't meet his needs. But if he had the mindset of always being Master to me and just dealing with his submissive tendencies elsewhere, then no, it wouldn't be a dealbreaker, so long as he was always completely honest with me about his wants and needs and didn't go off and do his submissive things behind my back (aka cheating).

To summarize - since I know my post is a little long,
It's all about being honest with your wants/needs, and not completely relying on labels.
You just need to find someone who matches your wants/needs with or without labels and who can be compatible in a LTR, and you can be sure that there is guaranteed to be SOMEONE out there who matches you to a T. =)
It just takes communication and being honest and hearing their wants and needs to know if they're the match for you.




tewy01 -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/16/2010 4:01:44 PM)

Very well put and Thank You for your thread Wolfy.




Aynne88 -> RE: Would You Serve a Dom With Submissive Tendancies? (10/17/2010 5:50:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968


quote:

ORIGINAL: tewy01
My question to you is this..Would having a relationship with a dom who has submissive tendencies present issues/problems in the relationship?

Yes.

quote:

Or should I consider listing myself as a switch and seek a domme or switch instead of a sub/slave?

That's your choice. Seeking a domme says to me that you are sub or at the least switch. A dela breaker in my book. Not a deal breaker in others.




Once again, I am total sync with Aileen. I don't and won't date a man that has submissive tendencies. I just don't have it in me to top him, even it is just as they say "sensation play". The day he wants me to top him I will no longer feel like I have a Dominant partner, and I need that.




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