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rulemylife -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/18/2010 1:29:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brokedickdog Tazzy, As you can see from some of the response posts there are a lot of folks that are simply in denial in regard to the extent of the frauds, and which parties are perpetrating such. For that reason I don't bother with lengthy, informative posts here anymore. It appears that rule hadn't even read the link you provided when he first responded. That was evident as well for a lot of the folks that responded to my posts. Denial is much easier when one doesn't look at, or expose themselves to, information or evidence that contradicts the uninformed belief they have already decided upon. I'm going to try and play nice since you seem to be fairly new here. I do not respond to things I have not read. If I respond to a post I have read all the links in the post. And I have agreed with some of yours in the past. The fact I do not agree with this is because it is nonsense. I live here in SE Florida and this thread is not the first time I have heard of the story. You seem to have some legal knowledge, and unless you are going to join the ranks of our self-educated legal experts you know how ridiculous this is. It is a media manufactured issue. No one who has clear title to a home is going to have it taken from them. Bank Of America already admitted its mistake. So tell me, am I in denial for calling bullshit on it or are you because it is your pet cause and you want to prove that the mortgage lenders are evil regardless of the facts of the story?

rulemylife -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/18/2010 1:42:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 There have been multiple cases of filings on the wrong house in just central and south Florida. Once you start looking you can find where this has been happening all around the country. Someone writes down the wrong numbers, everyone else is just rubber stamping documents and making up missing papers and the next thing you know some poor family is thrown out of their house for no reason. If you come home one day and find your locks changed and everything you own gone will you then consider it a "real" problem? If the banks and mortgage companies can't be bothered to properly complete and file the paperwork (that also includes having the original paperwork they are supposed to possess) then they deserve to learn a few hard lessons. Explain to me how you pay cash for a home, have a title in your name, and you can lose it as the Bloomberg article claimed. If you buy a car and pay cash will the dealer be able to come back a month later and repossess your car because they claim you have not made the payments? The Bloomberg/Sentinel article was just sensationalism.

DomKen -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/18/2010 2:50:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 There have been multiple cases of filings on the wrong house in just central and south Florida. Once you start looking you can find where this has been happening all around the country. Someone writes down the wrong numbers, everyone else is just rubber stamping documents and making up missing papers and the next thing you know some poor family is thrown out of their house for no reason. If you come home one day and find your locks changed and everything you own gone will you then consider it a "real" problem? If the banks and mortgage companies can't be bothered to properly complete and file the paperwork (that also includes having the original paperwork they are supposed to possess) then they deserve to learn a few hard lessons. Explain to me how you pay cash for a home, have a title in your name, and you can lose it as the Bloomberg article claimed. If you buy a car and pay cash will the dealer be able to come back a month later and repossess your car because they claim you have not made the payments? The Bloomberg/Sentinel article was just sensationalism. It's happened several times. The house was in foreclosure when the owners found a buyer. The mortgage was paid off and the deed should have transfered but the notice never got to the foreclosure people or was ignored by the robo signers. The mortgage company then went to court with robo signed affidavits stating there was a mortgage and that it was in arrears. The judge didn't listen to the homeowner or didn't believe the homeowners and entered the order.

flcouple2009 -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/18/2010 3:36:01 PM)
By some idiot that is rubber stamping foreclosures and putting the wrong address on the court papers. The judge signs the papers, the Sheriff comes out then you are out of the house. No these people didn't lose their house, but just because they eventually were given the house back after months it's OK? The fact that some of these people have things that were removed and can't be located is OK as well? The banks and mortgage companies need to be responsible for filing there papers correctly just like everyone else who goes into court. If they can't then they deserve whatever happens.

Real0ne -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/18/2010 5:11:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne fr you mean like returning that note to you when the property is paid for? Banks lend you NOTHING. YOU are the ONLY signor on the promissory note! They float that note on the market and MAKE INTEREST off it as a security and YOU GET NOTHING, well you get the payments. Imagine that! Banks make money from loans. And here I thought they did it just out the goodness of their hearts. Keep spreading the truth RealOne. What you must consider is that 224 years of established private property law- is now in question. Since the banks will get a blanket pardon via congress- the precedent is set for crazy -- claims against private property. The whole system is suspect now- even if your house has no mortgage on it. No Pahunk, the whole system is not suspect but there are problems within the system. If your house is free and clear then you have nothing to worry about, despite what the conspiracy sites you and RealOne like to believe. Yeh you might have something there! [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/blacks/mortgagedfornationaldebtcongress-1.jpg[/image] the problem with having your head in the sand is your ass tends to be in the air for anything that comes along. After all these years the Dumb ass still does not understand what the Congressional Record is. Really kind of sad. its a record of statements and conclusions made by people with much greater education than you. It is also material evidence that those entrusted to deal with such matters KNEW the fraud and treason they were about to commit. Feel free to dispute the matter.

luckydawg -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/18/2010 5:53:46 PM)
It is nothing but hearsay. Your ignorance is truley astounding. hearsay is material evidence. holy shit. Thanks for the laugh. It simply means it was said on the floor of congress, it has no authority. I suppose it is not intentional on your part to omit who was actually saying your highlighted quote. Just sloppy work by a deluded dumbass.

VideoAdminTheta -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/18/2010 6:17:54 PM)
Please refrain from making personal attacks on other users. When you find yourself about to respond to another user with a personal attack, please take a few minutes to regain your composure before posting. Strong opinions are allowed and passionate discussion is sure to occur, but when the posts turn away from the topic and towards the poster, we must call a halt. Thank you

Real0ne -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/18/2010 7:40:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg It is nothing but hearsay. Your ignorance is truley astounding. hearsay is material evidence. holy shit. Thanks for the laugh. It simply means it was said on the floor of congress, it has no authority. I suppose it is not intentional on your part to omit who was actually saying your highlighted quote. Just sloppy work by a deluded dumbass. Then property owners of the US will forever sing praise to you if you can show them how they can own property in the jurisdiction of the 50 states and not pay taxes as a result of ownership of it. the only way the government can collect taxes from property is by consent. that said there are only a few ways they can obtain consent 1) contract, 2) referendum, 3) club membership, such that; the state has a vested interest in your property because your are a club member of a bankrupt state and by the authority of legislation via your representative who made a deal to put your real property up as collateral for the interest, debt and use of printed script of the federal reserve by monetizing it for commercial leverage for loans and block grants from the federalees. 4) deceit Now the only 2 you cannot get out of paying is the 3 and 4. referendums are required to come around every time the money is required and a contract you hold in your hand. So lucky, since you wish to claim this is so out to lunch, how about you explain in detail how someone in the 50 states can own property without paying taxes on it because if that statement is not true there would be no jurisdiction to collect one red cent except for 1 and 2. On the other hand another approach is to explain what the dollar is backed by? LOL good luck on this one

mnottertail -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/19/2010 6:51:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg It is nothing but hearsay. Your ignorance is truley astounding. hearsay is material evidence. holy shit. Thanks for the laugh. It simply means it was said on the floor of congress, it has no authority. I suppose it is not intentional on your part to omit who was actually saying your highlighted quote. Just sloppy work by a deluded dumbass. Then property owners of the US will forever sing praise to you if you can show them how they can own property in the jurisdiction of the 50 states and not pay taxes as a result of ownership of it. the only way the government can collect taxes from property is by consent. that said there are only a few ways they can obtain consent 1) contract, 2) referendum, 3) club membership, such that; the state has a vested interest in your property because your are a club member of a bankrupt state and by the authority of legislation via your representative who made a deal to put your real property up as collateral for the interest, debt and use of printed script of the federal reserve by monetizing it for commercial leverage for loans and block grants from the federalees. 4) deceit Now the only 2 you cannot get out of paying is the 3 and 4. referendums are required to come around every time the money is required and a contract you hold in your hand. So lucky, since you wish to claim this is so out to lunch, how about you explain in detail how someone in the 50 states can own property without paying taxes on it because if that statement is not true there would be no jurisdiction to collect one red cent except for 1 and 2. On the other hand another approach is to explain what the dollar is backed by? LOL good luck on this one Yeah, good luck on this one for sure. The IRS can peddle your ass on the street to get as much as they can of what you owe. They will sell you out to your underpants, and I didn't see that in your list.

rulemylife -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/19/2010 7:25:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 There have been multiple cases of filings on the wrong house in just central and south Florida. Once you start looking you can find where this has been happening all around the country. Someone writes down the wrong numbers, everyone else is just rubber stamping documents and making up missing papers and the next thing you know some poor family is thrown out of their house for no reason. If you come home one day and find your locks changed and everything you own gone will you then consider it a "real" problem? If the banks and mortgage companies can't be bothered to properly complete and file the paperwork (that also includes having the original paperwork they are supposed to possess) then they deserve to learn a few hard lessons. Explain to me how you pay cash for a home, have a title in your name, and you can lose it as the Bloomberg article claimed. If you buy a car and pay cash will the dealer be able to come back a month later and repossess your car because they claim you have not made the payments? The Bloomberg/Sentinel article was just sensationalism. It's happened several times. The house was in foreclosure when the owners found a buyer. The mortgage was paid off and the deed should have transfered but the notice never got to the foreclosure people or was ignored by the robo signers. The mortgage company then went to court with robo signed affidavits stating there was a mortgage and that it was in arrears. The judge didn't listen to the homeowner or didn't believe the homeowners and entered the order. Bottom line is he didn't lose the home. Regardless of the problems he was put through, the implication in the story that the banks and mortgage companies can do whatever they want is simply wrong.

Real0ne -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/19/2010 7:29:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Bottom line is he didn't lose the home. Regardless of the problems he was put through, the implication in the story that the banks and mortgage companies can do whatever they want is simply wrong. so does that mean we can robo-sign now too? that PN is sold before the ink is dry

flcouple2009 -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/19/2010 9:12:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Bottom line is he didn't lose the home. Regardless of the problems he was put through, the implication in the story that the banks and mortgage companies can do whatever they want is simply wrong. So your OK with someone being locked out of their homes for months and having their possessions stolen?

rulemylife -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/19/2010 9:32:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Bottom line is he didn't lose the home. Regardless of the problems he was put through, the implication in the story that the banks and mortgage companies can do whatever they want is simply wrong. So your OK with someone being locked out of their homes for months and having their possessions stolen? First of all, I have been talking specifically about the case in the Bloomberg article. There was nothing that said anyone was locked out or had their possessions stolen. And by the way, a foreclosure does not entitle the person or company foreclosing to the contents of the home. It was not even an owner occupied residence, it was a rental property. So maybe we can tone down the hyperbole?

luckydawg -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/19/2010 12:43:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg It is nothing but hearsay. Your ignorance is truley astounding. hearsay is material evidence. holy shit. Thanks for the laugh. It simply means it was said on the floor of congress, it has no authority. I suppose it is not intentional on your part to omit who was actually saying your highlighted quote. Just sloppy work by a deluded dumbass. Then property owners of the US will forever sing praise to you if you can show them how they can own property in the jurisdiction of the 50 states and not pay taxes as a result of ownership of it. the only way the government can collect taxes from property is by consent. that said there are only a few ways they can obtain consent 1) contract, 2) referendum, 3) club membership, such that; the state has a vested interest in your property because your are a club member of a bankrupt state and by the authority of legislation via your representative who made a deal to put your real property up as collateral for the interest, debt and use of printed script of the federal reserve by monetizing it for commercial leverage for loans and block grants from the federalees. 4) deceit Now the only 2 you cannot get out of paying is the 3 and 4. referendums are required to come around every time the money is required and a contract you hold in your hand. So lucky, since you wish to claim this is so out to lunch, how about you explain in detail how someone in the 50 states can own property without paying taxes on it because if that statement is not true there would be no jurisdiction to collect one red cent except for 1 and 2. On the other hand another approach is to explain what the dollar is backed by? LOL good luck on this one Why would I need luck? You ran away from the issue and changed the subject. Almost no one, except for a few dumb ass America haters, want to pay zero taxes (we can debate what level they should be at). You are hoping a few idiots don't notice you ran away from your assertion (regarding the Congressional Record) Plus, your new list is simply pulled from your ass, and has no validity at all. So we have a fellow who keeps lying, and when caught changes the subject. It really is funny....

flcouple2009 -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/19/2010 1:09:17 PM)
I know. You are cherry picking the one you want to talk about. You've chosen to ignore the stories in the other links. Why does it matter if it is a rental property? You would want your property tied up and having to go to court for months because of some dumb ass mistake by the bank? What about the other people who have had the locks changed and their possessions removed? All I am getting form you is that it is OK for the banks to be that sloppy no one actually lost their house so it's no big deal is they have to fight in court for months. Wold you feel this way if it were your house?

Real0ne -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/19/2010 3:40:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Why would I need luck? You ran away from the issue and changed the subject. Almost no one, except for a few dumb ass America haters, want to pay zero taxes (we can debate what level they should be at). You are hoping a few idiots don't notice you ran away from your assertion (regarding the Congressional Record) Plus, your new list is simply pulled from your ass, and has no validity at all. So we have a fellow who keeps lying, and when caught changes the subject. It really is funny.... lucky I could not match the level of shit you swallowed in 500 lifetimes. it intrinsically ties in, and i am sorr you could not find it with your google. Thats the problem you are faced with when you choose to argue with an authority on the matter. You either know the material and and can respond or you do not. and it for all intents and purposes appears you do not?

luckydawg -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/20/2010 2:04:00 AM)
I couldn't put it better... Not understanding Intrinsic is pretty damn funny. But the ignorant use of a question mark is the icing on the cake.

Real0ne -> RE: The case that froze the banks. (10/23/2010 4:22:38 PM)
prosecution rests LOL

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