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Focus50 -> RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here (11/1/2010 1:14:59 PM)
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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue
One has to feel sympathy for some of those contributing to this thread; if they don’t rise to your barbed comments and general aggression then you start crowing, and if they do then you condescendingly mock them for being “unwise”. Seems they can’t win either way.
Reading back over your comments, most especially:
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ORIGINAL: Focus50
Crikey Raven, how can you live to your age and know so very little beyond attacking the messenger (OP) with populist, politically correct cliches' ("knee-jerk ageist OP") for daring to ask a valid question??
Anyone who thinks today's teenagers are any more wise, mature or responsible than teenagers of any other generation is a delusional fop who needs to get out of his basement more often and visit the real world.
... the conclusion (other than the fact that you seem to have a worrying habit of generalising to the point of obfuscation) seems to be that you don’t believe that sensible people, faced with information, can (it's not automatic that they actually do, of course) assimilate that information and put it to good use – it’s not that the current generation are inherently smarter or more wise, but simply that, in many cases, they’re better informed. Obviously, this doesn't make them geniuses, because wisdom is something a person can develop, but often doesn't (and that's not entirely dependent on age), and similarly it doesn't make them all inherently right, because not all of them learn the right lesson from the right knowledge, especially as that knowledge isn't itself always 100% correct. But in terms of being able to be more knowledgeable at a much younger age then yes, I do still believe that the young have a much better chance of success in their endeavours in this respect than someone of our generation did when we were younger. And, crucially, that they are far less likely to hurt themselves, or others, in the learning process.
In addition, your habit of alternating aggression and/or veiled (or, indeed, actual) insults with “what did I do?/why do you take this personally?” lines will also not lost on anyone (young or old) with even a rudimentary knowledge of basic psychology or social skills. You belittle the opinions of others (often with generalisations so sweeping that they make me wince) and then, when they seek to defend themselves, you cry foul and claim they're “insecure” or "defensive". It’s a very tired NetDebate cliché, and most sensible folk abandoned its use somewhere around the start of the 21st century. If you want a mature debate then have a mature debate. If you want to sling mud then sling mud. But don’t flip-flop between the two and expect anyone with an ounce of sense to respect you.
Ahhh Watson, up for another round, I see. And you've been polishing the vocabulary - some might think that a predictable defense mechanism; a "tell". Not me but (RapierFugue - "Fortunately, I'm not that insecure"), just sayin'....
A few points re your conclusions.
Raven and I have several years history of barbed by-play on CM. It's good natured no matter what the drive-by ignorant might conclude within a particular moment.
I've stated several times in this thread that my comments are intentionally generalised as I'm commenting on an overall generation (the ME Generation), and not individuals. Of course there are exceptions within every generalisation but I find it rather bemusing at how acceptible it apparently is to cite that one in one hundred exception as evidence the opposite is proved. And everyone nods.... Reminds me of a certain signature line.
It takes more than the availability of information for someone to assimilate or put to good use. Sound decisions and choices aren't based just on information or intelligence. Experience, for eg, and good ol horse sense... The kinda things you're not born with and can't be taught or learnt from books or google.
And the only "flip-flopping" I've done is when I've needed to respond to individuals in this thread because they've wrongly taken my deliberately generalised comments as a personal sleight. And you, too; what's your real motive in engaging me?
Focus.
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