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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 9:19:17 AM   
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if you were a sub/bottom, I would SO beat the hell outta ya... LOL

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 9:44:39 AM   
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Don't you dare. If Teddy is a stuffed critter, he deserves more love and dignity than to be thrown around.

That's the most sensible thing that's been said in this entire thread.

Focus, the OP, anybody else I've forgotten who was in that camp, you're entitled to your opinions. That's fine. I'll be over here enjoying and celebrating my relationships with the people who want my company, and you can stay over there enjoying and celebrating your relationships with anyone who wants yours.

There's no need for animosity about this, because I don't need your approval and you don't need mine.

(And Focus: my parents throw louder parties than any party I have ever thrown myself. When they turn the speakers up they turn them UP.)


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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 9:46:18 AM   
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I have read and re-read the comments under this thread and I can see both sides of the point. I think the OP assumes that age comes with "life lessons" that everyone learns from. He also, I assume, sees older people as having thought things through far more than younger people do. The final thought, though unspoken, is that older people have sampled more of life and thus have more of an experience base from which to pick and choose what is best for them.

The first two points I disagree with and see as being largely meritless. I do not see older people as necessarily having more wisdom than younger people through experience. Rather, I see older people who were wise as young people growing in their wisdom while older people who were fools in their youth remain fools in their old age. I can't count the number of fifty-something's I see collecting their wellfare check and cashing it in the local bar and grill. Most people, in my opinion, simply continue on the path they set as a young person (even younger than me).

As for the proliferation of young people in this lifestyle, I think it simply reflects a broader acceptance of alternative lifestyles by and in the public at large. I can assure you that very few people of my age, in my acquaintance, are as set in this lifestyle as I am. Few of my friends would realize just how "kinky" I am (aside from my lack of body hair, which I am pretty good at covering up).

As for the whole "sampling of life" thing, I am not sure that age plays a huge roll in that either. Most older people I know do not have a huge experience pool from which they draw. Rather, they simply keep making essentially the same mistakes over and over. Honestly, of the older people I have met "in the lifestyle", few claim to have become dominant or submissive at some golden age. Rather, all of them (that I know) claim to have always been dominant or submissive, they simply came to recognize it and come to terms with it at a given age. In my case, that age was fourteen.

I have to disagree with your disagreements.  I don't think I was "wise in My youth" at all.  Wisdom isn't something you're either born with or you're not.  Some people do acquire it with age and experience.

I don't think you can measure everyone by the pool of people that you know.  Not everyone involved in wiitwd has always been kinky.  I am a later in life Dominant and an even later in life sadist.  That didn't kick in until I was thirty-five.  This can be a confusing area because some people do always have these yearnings and just don't have the information on them that they need and for others, like Me, they really weren't there when I was younger.

One huge advantage that I feel I had when I got involved in kink was that I did have the life experience of how to have a successful relationship.  I also had experience in how to be in charge of other people.  I had already made mistakes in those areas that I learned from so I didn't have to repeat them.  Those weren't things that I had at the age of eighteen or even twenty-one. 


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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 10:24:22 AM   
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But but but but... I wanna? /end mock-pouty.

Yes a change of tack, but you told me I shouldn't so...


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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 10:41:21 AM   
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I don't think I was "wise in My youth" at all. 


I thought I was very wise when I was younger, but it turns out I was just an arrogant fuckwit. Who knew?*

*I didn't, for a start.

Or, to quote Mark Twain:

"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.".

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Wisdom isn't something you're either born with or you're not. Some people do acquire it with age and experience.


But of course everyone’s different ... some will start wise, some will achieve wisdom, some will have it knocked into them by their experiences in life, and some will remain eternally ignorant.

The problem with experience is it gives the sadness first and the knowledge afterwards.

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 10:46:36 AM   
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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 11:12:04 AM   
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Where can I sign up for Caffeinated Kitten member status?

It was a name I gave to GreedyTop and Tulip when I met them for the first time.  They were a wee bit hyper that evening.


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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 11:16:38 AM   
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That's the most sensible thing that's been said in this entire thread.




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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 11:36:54 AM   
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The rise.
The power.
The terror.
The misery.
The epicaricacy.

Welcome to a world you can no longer fathom, old man.

Thanks for a great word!


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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 11:41:21 AM   
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Just my experience- i found bdsm early in life, and i'm more than glad i did. i had the typical awkward feelings like any person did, only i felt the need to dominate those whom i was romantically involved with. it sucked because I had no explanation for it. Then i found "the loving dominant"- changed my life because then i knew nothing was wrong for what i was feeling.

i personally can't even imagine how life would have been for me if i didn't discover this lifestyle when i did.


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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 4:25:42 PM   
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I am also that ignorant.

After seeing your profile you may want to consider the ignorance of youth and how your beliefs may eventually conflict with your lifestyle choice.



Just which of her beliefs conflict with her 'lifestyle choice'? I must have missed it.



Apparently you did.

Read her profile.

Then get back with me if you want to discuss this so-called Christian BDSM, because I can bore you all day long with my opinions on that.






Since you are not involved with her(or me), what you expect from a BDSM relationship and your opinion of Christianity and BDSM doesn't really matter. The fact is many people of all ages make it work and since you are not in their relationships you are no judge of whether they are at cross purposes. From personal experience I know that they don't have to be mutually exclusive and since they are not mutually exclusive in my life, they would not necessarily be in her life.  We're all free to believe as we wish and as long as no one is actively hurting another person, we cannot judge what goes on in the intimate lives of others. It's fine for you to think that for yourself they don't work together. It's not fine to dictate to others that it won't work for them because you don't know their personal life, their true desires, their heart, or their relationship with God.

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 4:40:36 PM   
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epicaricacy.
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The rise.
The power.
The terror.
The misery.
The epicaricacy.

Welcome to a world you can no longer fathom, old man.

Thanks for a great word!



It's almost schadenfreude. Hey, wait a minute...


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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 4:53:07 PM   
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schadenfreude.


I love that word so, so much.

And so it is that the Germans give us a word that relates to taking delight in the suffering of others ... why am I not surprised in the slightest?

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 5:26:34 PM   
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I just asked a question and it seems to have sparked a debate but also some hate which was not the intent at all. I am pretty much set in my ways and would never have anyone under 35 that is my choice. 


Mo problem.  As you say, it's your choice. 
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I just wonder how many sort out a mentor already in the lifestyle to learn of some of the dangers that lurk within. Like not all Doms are the same and the game players, pretenders on both sides of the fence. That is all I am going to say on this subject.


Okay.  Your point is that the younguns are liable to make foolish choices.

Sorry to say, but that's the way that many will learn.  And I am continually amazed at people that should have world experience but enter the lifetyle in their 30s, 40s, and 50s and throw common sense out the window.

And then there are some like SpiritedRadiance, AquaticSub, AsherDelampyr, and VaguelyCurious that are young but know what they're doing.


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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 5:30:43 PM   
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I don't think I was "wise in My youth" at all. 


I thought I was very wise when I was younger, but it turns out I was just an arrogant fuckwit. Who knew?*

*I didn't, for a start.

Or, to quote Mark Twain:

"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.".

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Wisdom isn't something you're either born with or you're not. Some people do acquire it with age and experience.


But of course everyone’s different ... some will start wise, some will achieve wisdom, some will have it knocked into them by their experiences in life, and some will remain eternally ignorant.

The problem with experience is it gives the sadness first and the knowledge afterwards.


Quoted for truth. That is one thing you can never explain to someone..it does not resonate unless it happens to you.

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 5:43:09 PM   
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The problem with experience is it gives the sadness first and the knowledge afterwards.


Quoted for truth. That is one thing you can never explain to someone..it does not resonate unless it happens to you.


There's also the gulf between intelligence and wisdom ... people can be bright enough to know that something is a bad idea, but lack the wisdom to do what they pretty much know they should (or shouldn't) do about it. Until, as you point out, they've been through it, and experienced the sorrow. And in that context, "experience" is pretty much interchangeable with "intelligence" - you might have experienced something in younger life, but unless you have the wisdom to apply the lessons then it's likely you'll make the same mistakes again.

I believe it was Clive James who said "By and large, it's our mistakes that civilise us ... but you don't want to follow the concept too far ... or for too long".

If I had a mission statement, it would probably be "RF - making mistakes from 1966 to the present day".

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 5:50:57 PM   
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Well, for me, I was first drawn to BDSM (specifically being submissive), since I was very very young.  Basically when I first hit puberty was when I realised I was a slave at heart (though I had no clue what the urges I was feeling meant).  Given access to the internet, I was able to discover what these things meant, and while I made some dumb decisions still, it gave me a chance to learn and grow in my submission.  When I got a bit older, I started to experience these things in a real life setting.  I hated being dominant, and being equal bores me, so my initial urges were correct.  Granted I may not have had 50 years of experience, and maybe my feelings will change when I grow older, but currently this is how I feel, and what I need to be happy.

And I am sure there are a lot of other people out there who have had similar experiences.  Especially with the internet giving us freedom to explore things people from your generation would have had no access to.  Our generation, on a whole, I feel is a lot more self aware (relative to age), purely because we have the ability to view all of this information in a second.

That's just my experience and 2 cents though.

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 8:09:42 PM   
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Well, thanks for being interested enough to look it up.
It's EPIC + CARE + ICACY. Best word ever. Wink, smile, care.

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ORIGINAL: Twoshoes

The rise.
The power.
The terror.
The misery.
The epicaricacy.

Welcome to a world you can no longer fathom, old man.

It's almost schadenfreude. Hey, wait a minute...


Notice the consonance with of the 'r' sound throughout the first five lines. The German 'R' (actually 'FR') sounds completely different (at least, to me).

Also, the word schadenfreude captured altogether too much attention with its connotations thereby ruining my whole spiel. (Yey, random German word!) Also, there is an unpoetic "uh" sound at the end of schadenfreude, which ruins reading it aloud with a wannabe creepy voice .

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WelcOme to a world you can no longer fathOm, old man.
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I decided to leave the highlight on the attention-grabbing and awesome-sounding word fathomAssonance with the various 'o' sounds.

I've thought this through, you know.
(Although, I had to google to put together an explanation, cause I don't know any definitions. Sometimes figuring out exactly what to google is half the answer. The other half is not being in a godforsaken country with no Internet.)

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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 8:12:44 PM   
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Good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment.
Everybody has to learn sometime. Why not learn what works for you early before you've ruined your life.

In any case, it's a moot point. Thanks to the internet, people do discover this earlier. And that's a good thing. It allows us to find the things that resonate with us and to give a name to those inchoate desires we never could share or explain. As well as hopefully find others to share them with us.


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RE: The rise of teens and 20 something on here - 10/19/2010 11:21:34 PM   
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i'm 24 and not only yes but hell yes.

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