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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 1:38:24 PM   
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Having said that I do think the Tories are a bunch of wholly unprincipled bastards who will absolutely destroy the UK and its economy over the next few years, while patronising the fuck out of anyone who isn't rich – witness the “get on a bus” comments of Iain Duncan Smith, yesterday. We’re in for some very hard times, and, what’s worse, harder times than needed to be. Yes we need to curb spending, but the degree, and the targeting of those least able to pay, is deplorable.

It’s also criminally unfair that the people most responsible for the current situation (i.e. the banks and bankers) have emerged almost unscathed from it, and indeed in many areas they're actually faring better than they were. Nail em up! Nail some sense into em!


Why do you always have to spoil it? I was just building up a healthy dislike of you, and then you have to go and say something really agreeable like the above. Hopefully, you're being ironic, and it's gone over my head...

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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 1:41:16 PM   
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So much for socialist Tony huh.



I can assure you, he is not a socialist. Most likely, he never was. My theory is that when he started off in politics, he was too poor to be a proper Tory and got turned away. But he's fixed that now. I expect him to start voting with the bastards from now on.

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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 1:48:45 PM   
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Is there any wonder there is always a low turn out at the polls, maybe those that choose not to vote are not the stupid ones, for perhaps they know all too well it does not matter who is elected, which party is in power as nothing will change, so why spend the time and effort enabling a blow hard to attain their ambitions and whence there conspire against the very people who were stupid enough to give them power. It is very much a case of us and them, the politicians in power punishing the people who do nothing except respond to government action.


This rings bells with me. How can any of us trust politics when the politicians, almost all of them, are crooked and when the parties are all in agreement.

I heard something on the radio today. A guy said that one should consider society to be a bit like a log-pile. The few at the top of the pile want stability, because it is only by keeping things the same that they can stop themselves being toppled from the top of the pile. Those at the bottom however, what they want is to get out of that position. But it's difficult to do that when everybody above is trying very hard to stop the pile from moving so that they don't fall. The politicians, all of them, want stability. To some extent, I do as well - I don't want to lose my home. But those below me in the pile - I will completely get it if they decide to topple the whole bloody lot.

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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 4:18:01 PM   
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They pay less pennies in the pound than anyone else. That's how it works. Personally, I think a less financially stratified society is a happier society, and a more efficient one. What's wrong with wanting to see more happiness?


New Labour are partly responsible for sure. But it was greed wot really dun us in. Thatcher invented that.



No, thats not how it works, they pay more pennies in the pound, and to be honest many of them have worked hard to build a business that pays them that well. I wondered when someone would blame Thatcher, it doesnt usually take this long.

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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 4:48:19 PM   
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They pay less pennies in the pound than anyone else. That's how it works. Personally, I think a less financially stratified society is a happier society, and a more efficient one. What's wrong with wanting to see more happiness?

New Labour are partly responsible for sure. But it was greed wot really dun us in. Thatcher invented that.



No, thats not how it works, they pay more pennies in the pound, and to be honest many of them have worked hard to build a business that pays them that well. I wondered when someone would blame Thatcher, it doesnt usually take this long.


I don't know enough about current British politics to have a definitive opinion on the government so this view relates more so to the recession in the West. We can bitch and moan about corrupt politicians and bankers, and that is legitimate but lets not pretend we can somehow do it better. The truth is that for most of us we have never had it so good, and the good times economically haven’t been all that bad. In any democracy society shares a collective responsibility for giving power to governments. If those governments are corrupt it is more often than not a reflection on that society as a whole. Its time to man up regarding the bad times, learn whatever lessons can be learnt, and take any hardships with good humour as long as they are reasonably fair and don’t hit the most vulnerable excessively. All that seems to said though on protests throughout Europe is “oh it isn’t our fault”. We are part of the one society and whilst blame must rest where it is blameworthy, that is no excuse to let economies go down the toilet over handy principles. This is a damaging manifestation of blame culture. If the economies of nations are destroyed the entire world may well go into deep depression and affect generations to come.

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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 4:57:08 PM   
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Speaking just about the UK. I disagree, it isnt good enough if those paid to govern fail to do so, despite warnings from official advisors. Thats why we have elections and thats why Labour lost, they screwed up. The sad thing is the Tories may well do the same, partly becuase both the main parties are too ideological, one way or the other.

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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 5:43:53 PM   
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That is why when we had a hung parliament I was all in favour of coalition in the hope that two opposing sides might come to agreement and a new way of thinking might be born. Except in this case that has not happened and the charlatan has been exposed and with that undoubtedly a certain party sent back to oblivion as they were in the past, for the middle way does not work, one must adopt the bipolar mentality, right or wrong a compromise is just not good enough for this country and so our tails we chase.

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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 5:49:56 PM   
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We can bitch and moan about corrupt politicians and bankers, and that is legitimate but lets not pretend we can somehow do it better.


We couldn't do it any worse, and we could easily do it less corruptly.

As to "We are part of the one society and whilst blame must rest where it is blameworthy" - are you currently sleeping with a banker or politician?

It's the only reason I can think of to want to suck that much banker/politician cock. These vermin made money out of their own incompetence, and saddled ordinary decent people with half a lifetime's worth of debt that, in many cases, their children will also carry after them.

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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 5:54:36 PM   
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That is why when we had a hung parliament I was all in favour of coalition in the hope that two opposing sides might come to agreement and a new way of thinking might be born. Except in this case that has not happened and the charlatan has been exposed and with that undoubtedly a certain party sent back to oblivion as they were in the past, for the middle way does not work, one must adopt the bipolar mentality, right or wrong a compromise is just not good enough for this country and so our tails we chase.


Did you seriously, for even a second, think that the party of Thatcher would somehow grow a conscience overnight? And they're not "opposing" sides, else there wouldn't have been a coalition ... they're 2 sides of the same power-hungry coin.

They're immoral opportunists, at the very best.

Even sadder is the fact Labour were as bad or worse, when more was expected of them. We need something better, though god alone knows what ... I only wish I had the answers.

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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 6:16:05 PM   
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And that is it, those that seek a career in politics despite fine words they themselves would like to believe, politicians exist for self empowerment and all the trimmings that go with that.

Perhaps those that vote really are the ones that don't get it.

The only recentish PM I have any respect for is the forgotten grey man John Major who did nothing much except run the country, which is in reality all that we ask of our prime ministers. But somehow the PM's have got it into their head that they have to be a celebrity and Bliar was the worst kind, the very epitome of a smiling knife.

But by saying I have respect for the grey man knowing full well he is conservative by party does not indicate my political leanings for I have found that when either party leader gains ultimate power they become the same autocrat that dictates and uses words saying it is good for the country, in which case I ask whose country, mine or yours.


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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 6:25:17 PM   
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The only recentish PM I have any respect for is the forgotten grey man John Major who did nothing much except run the country, which is in reality all that we ask of our prime ministers.


He fucked Edwina Currie. The man wants hanging from a high height.

Not, BTW, from a "moral corruption" POV, even if his "back to basics" campaign was the biggest sack of bullshit ever launched at an electorate by a morally bankrupt party, but merely because anyone who fucks anything that is that ugly, inside and out, deserves to die of terminal cock-rot.

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But somehow the PM's have got it into their head that they have to be a celebrity and Bliar was the worst kind, the very epitome of a smiling knife.

But by saying I have respect for the grey man knowing full well he is conservative by party does not indicate my political leanings for I have found that when either party leader gains ultimate power they become the same autocrat that dictates and uses words saying it is good for the country, in which case I ask whose country, mine or yours.


The trouble is that the "power corrupts, and ..." quote is, it turns out, tragically and immovably true. As an example, I'm firmly of the opinion Blair was a pretty decent person ... before he was in power for a while, and decided to embark on Crusade 4.0. But he meant well.

Mind you, so did Hitler.

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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 6:36:45 PM   
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We can bitch and moan about corrupt politicians and bankers, and that is legitimate but lets not pretend we can somehow do it better.


We couldn't do it any worse, and we could easily do it less corruptly.

As to "We are part of the one society and whilst blame must rest where it is blameworthy" - are you currently sleeping with a banker or politician?

It's the only reason I can think of to want to suck that much banker/politician cock. These vermin made money out of their own incompetence, and saddled ordinary decent people with half a lifetime's worth of debt that, in many cases, their children will also carry after them.


I have to disagree. If we look at this issue from a historic perspective things could get an awful lot worse. Some once-booming economies never recovered! Corruption is everywhere in politics. I have to conclude it comes with the territory - the best that can be hoped for is to minimise it but it will never be prevented. Someone has to hold the purse strings, and human nature being as flawed as it is, abuses will occur. I also didn't suggest that we should stick with dodgy governments.

I certainly don't want to such any bankers whatsits. lol I'm not saying there should be no reprisals for what the bankers did. I actually said blame must rest where it is blame worthy. That means those who did wrong must be punished. I would favour imprisonment where appropriate as in the US. My point was that blaming others won't get society as a whole out of this mess and that surely comes before all else or nations will suffer the consequences for many years to come.


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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 7:47:29 PM   
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We can bitch and moan about corrupt politicians and bankers, and that is legitimate but lets not pretend we can somehow do it better.


We couldn't do it any worse, and we could easily do it less corruptly.

As to "We are part of the one society and whilst blame must rest where it is blameworthy" - are you currently sleeping with a banker or politician?

It's the only reason I can think of to want to suck that much banker/politician cock. These vermin made money out of their own incompetence, and saddled ordinary decent people with half a lifetime's worth of debt that, in many cases, their children will also carry after them.


I have to disagree. If we look at this issue from a historic perspective things could get an awful lot worse. Some once-booming economies never recovered! Corruption is everywhere in politics. I have to conclude it comes with the territory - the best that can be hoped for is to minimise it but it will never be prevented. Someone has to hold the purse strings, and human nature being as flawed as it is, abuses will occur. I also didn't suggest that we should stick with dodgy governments.

I certainly don't want to such any bankers whatsits. lol I'm not saying there should be no reprisals for what the bankers did. I actually said blame must rest where it is blame worthy. That means those who did wrong must be punished. I would favour imprisonment where appropriate as in the US. My point was that blaming others won't get society as a whole out of this mess and that surely comes before all else or nations will suffer the consequences for many years to come.



That's all very worthy and fluffy.

It's also, if you'll pardon me, bilge. One group of greedy bastards got us all into this, by selling shit packaged as gold, among themselves. If the fallout remained among themselves and their greedy brethren then that would be fine, but it didn't, it isn't, and there's also no reason why it can't happen again tomorrow. Society as a whole wasn't greedy, and society as a whole didn't benefit when times were "good".

Seize their assets, tax them into poverty, and treat them like the social disease they are.

Oh, and before some apologist starts bleating on about the "benefits" of sucking up to the banking classes, bear in mind that, at last count, on the last set of figures I saw, their impact upon the general economy, as opposed to their own little pond, was something in the order of a factor of 25 times more harm than good done (revenue vs. debt incurred). If that were a doctor, or a teacher, or a fireman, or a taxi driver, they'd have been fired and left penniless a long time ago.

Their only defence against being judged for the crimes of having made us all immeasurably poorer is that, if we give them the lot again they might make us slightly richer. Fuck that, fuck them, and can we please start treating these anal warts as the non-productive waste of good oxygen they are.

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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 8:21:21 PM   
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As it seems power corrupts even the most well meaning of people, perhaps any leader should only serve a fixed term in office to stop them becoming blase or even believing themselves god like because they were re elected, the impression I received from Bliar in his second term of office, Thatcher did the same and it was noticed, the lovers came to become haters of the monster they had created.

Bliar became a monster he forced us into an illegal war and instead of protecting the British people, he put them in harm's way for it is known what threats we had prior to Iraq were small potatoes compared to what we have now. The bugger resigned, he should not have been allowed to, he should have been forced to see out the mess he created and there reap the hatred the voter has for leaders gone mad.

Bliars resignation was well calculated, for knowing full well his 'pal' Brown was to take the reigns anything Bliar had done would fade into insignificance if his hunch was right, Brown was a twit. But Brown never had a fair run, he took the reigns of a country in Bliar instigated crisis, he was never going to win, as labour was falling from popularity very quickly, Brown's tenure took the focus of Bliar who went on to get a good job with the wealth he sought so badly, his reputation intact.

Now as a kickback we have Cameron and his pet monkey Clegg, Cameron has no idea beyond ideology, for he has not experienced much of what many of this country have to experience and his cuts/attacks on the poorest demonstrate that adequately, for I am just waiting for him to adopt the Mary Antoinette attitude when the massses start protesting with zeal.

Clegg, well, he is a dissappointment, he has sold out his beliefs in the search for the power he believes he has got, I feel that guy is a flash in the pan, he will fall away, his greed has destroyed him as a person worth anything and his party should disown him if they are to survive.

But that is it in a nutshell really, those that rise to power are not from the lower classes, they know what they know from media of the correct slant and advisors who also have never been there, so what we have in effect is a government that has no idea and in reality doesnt want to have any idea as we are nothing beyond tax payers until voting time comes when their ass holes start fluttering as to how their minions perceive them.


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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/22/2010 9:02:20 PM   
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As it seems power corrupts even the most well meaning of people, perhaps any leader should only serve a fixed term in office to stop them becoming blase or even believing themselves god like because they were re elected, the impression I received from Bliar in his second term of office, Thatcher did the same and it was noticed, the lovers came to become haters of the monster they had created.

Bliar became a monster he forced us into an illegal war and instead of protecting the British people, he put them in harm's way for it is known what threats we had prior to Iraq were small potatoes compared to what we have now. The bugger resigned, he should not have been allowed to, he should have been forced to see out the mess he created and there reap the hatred the voter has for leaders gone mad.

Bliars resignation was well calculated, for knowing full well his 'pal' Brown was to take the reigns anything Bliar had done would fade into insignificance if his hunch was right, Brown was a twit. But Brown never had a fair run, he took the reigns of a country in Bliar instigated crisis, he was never going to win, as labour was falling from popularity very quickly, Brown's tenure took the focus of Bliar who went on to get a good job with the wealth he sought so badly, his reputation intact.

Now as a kickback we have Cameron and his pet monkey Clegg, Cameron has no idea beyond ideology, for he has not experienced much of what many of this country have to experience and his cuts/attacks on the poorest demonstrate that adequately, for I am just waiting for him to adopt the Mary Antoinette attitude when the massses start protesting with zeal.

Clegg, well, he is a dissappointment, he has sold out his beliefs in the search for the power he believes he has got, I feel that guy is a flash in the pan, he will fall away, his greed has destroyed him as a person worth anything and his party should disown him if they are to survive.

But that is it in a nutshell really, those that rise to power are not from the lower classes, they know what they know from media of the correct slant and advisors who also have never been there, so what we have in effect is a government that has no idea and in reality doesnt want to have any idea as we are nothing beyond tax payers until voting time comes when their ass holes start fluttering as to how their minions perceive them.



First off, can we please refer to the man by his name; calling him “Bliar” is on a par (IMHO) with saying “conga-rats”, or “Xmyth” – it’s one of those “net funnies” that isn’t in the least amusing after the second repetition, and makes the user sound like an over-excited 15 year-old, which (and please pardon my presumption) I assume you're not. I don’t wish to sound harsh, but it really grinds my gears.

Blair was, when he took the reins, a man desperate for power; it was what he’d worked his entire adult life to achieve, and which, courtesy of John Smith’s death, he got far sooner than he or the nation, expected or, as it turned out, was good for him. Or, as it turned out, for us. I so wonder what would have happened if JS had become the PM, as he most surely would have, and instead could have nurtured Tony as a successor. A missed opportunity of biblical (heh) proportions.

Having read several many accounts of the days leading up to war with Iraq, I'm convinced that Tony entered that war convinced he was doing the right thing. He was offered (and this is a matter of record) a chance to not join with George W and thus sit the thing out from the sidelines, and he did what he considered to be the moral thing and stood by his friend and ally. The extreme evil of that decision was further corrupted by the fact that he naively assumed that, at all times, he was being told the truth, and furthermore the fact that he was somewhat in awe of the United States as a world power, seeing in it echoes of Britain’s former colonial past. He was also, if it needs to be said, colossally arrogant, and drunk on power.

I agree that leaders should serve fixed terms, so they can’t, as you rightly point out, then pass the buck when election time comes. The funny thing is that, had he been forced to stay on, I’m 90% sure Tony Blair would have won the last election. He’s a criminally charming man, a truly gifted orator, and has a televisual appeal second to none – even Clinton in his prime isn’t or wasn’t as good as Tony B when he’s really on it.

He’s shallow, he’s upsettingly weak from a moral standpoint, but the man had charisma. Still has, if you watch the more recent interviews. At the risk of repeating the old Italian joke about “I shagga da one sheep ...”, he really only ever made one major tactical error – trouble is, it was so huge and ultimately evil an error, and one with so dramatic and costly a price, that his reputation will never recover. I can’t help thinking that, as with so many other evils besetting the world, that the heart of this lies with the individual’s reliance on religion – Tony truly believed he was engaging in a Holy War, on the side of “right”, and that arrogance and perceived moral authority blinded him to the human cost of his decisions. Score one against the sky fairy believers.

Cameron is just another Tory, albeit a clever speaking one - I won a substantial amount of money during the Tory leadership race, when David Davis was assumed as the heir apparent, and a total shoe-in for the job; I heard Cameron’s conference speech, and immediately knew exactly what I was watching – the man who would be king. Please note I don't claim to have any special powers in this respect as a rule, but I just knew, watching that speech, that he had the right bullshit for the right time. That was the last time that man benefitted me in any way whatsoever.

The Tories are a fundamentally acquisitive party – they exist to service the rich, and they do best when ordinary people either think they’re about to become rich, or are worried most about becoming less rich. Once they're in power they always show their true colours, and I agree with several commentators that this election was the one almost everyone would not want to win – the resultant pain caused to folk not present when Maggie was last in power (and who thus knew the Tory Story) will etch the Tory ethos into people for half a generation to come.

Clegg and the LibDems disappointed me the most, as you've said. They had the chance to force this lame duck government back to the ballot box, where Labour might have found an electable leader (and god knows, Brown couldn't get elected as head of the school tuck shop, so flawed a character was he, and flawed enough to not even notice or consider how very flawed he was), and some sort of balance might have been struck. But Clegg saw a moment of opportunity, a chance to trade his soul for something that might aid his party at a later date, and he sold out so fast it must have made his head spin. There is maybe an ounce of right in that, insofar as re-electing another Labour government, after the cosmic cluster-fuck they’d made of things under Brown, would have maybe been just a tad too much, even for the UK electorate to stomach.

As a parting observation, have you noticed how alike the leaders all are now? Worrying doesn't begin to describe it. We’ve finally become American, and may God, or Chance, or Reason, have mercy on our souls.


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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/23/2010 2:50:28 AM   
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No, thats not how it works, they pay more pennies in the pound, and to be honest many of them have worked hard to build a business that pays them that well.



Actually, Politesub, the reality is as I expressed it. The wealthy pay considerably less tax on each pound they are paid than the poorer members of society. On the surface, it looks peachy - they pay 40%, the rest of us pay 20%. But when you allow for all the different legal/pseudo-legal means the wealthy use to avoid paying, and the indirect taxes which target the poor, then the picture looks very different.

The difference has been calculated many times over the decades. The most recent figures I saw suggested that on average, the bottom fifth of earners pay 39% of their income in tax, whilst the top fifth of earners pay 35% of their income in tax -  a full 4% less. That 4%, given the disparity in income, is a considerable amount.

Society is set up to favour those at the top of the pile. And the reason for this is simple - the people at the top of the pile, public schoolboys like Cameron and Clegg, and faux socialists like Bliar, are the ones pulling the strings and simultaneously lying to us about the strings they are pulling.

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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/23/2010 7:23:39 AM   
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My apologies if my spelling of Blair's name offends, but it just comes out that way now when I do write his name without consciously thinking of the spelling so not so much a net funny, but something that has trained me based upon my observations of the mans actions.

But as it yet again seems Britain is going to hell in a hand cart I have decided what is best for my own survival myself being one of those extreme poor who feels the tory attack. Not because I am anti tory, I am not, but their actions based upon their ideology are grinding up against a person with no fixed ideology ( no axe to grind in any direction) causing them to be distrusted and even disliked although I prefer to just observe all parties not get sucked into one tribe or other.

I prefer to observe because I know full well they are all the same, power hungry people desperate for power and I distrust anyone who I detect seeks power over others. For me the seeking of power is a wrong action for I believe leaders are born not created, they emerge when the time is right not get voted in by a bunch of sycophants who see the  better for themselves via one person or another.

My own survival is meeting whatever half way and just observe all with an open mind and look to myself  and the good well trusted people around me not the promises made by a bureacracy so far away. Sure they have my taxes but I am comfortable in the fact they have not got much from me, as I do not indulge in the consumerist life style, I buy what I need and source other from those around me.

The key I have found to survival is to drop out of the society we have been trained to be, for that society has too many expectations that never come to pass, we are in effect being held in check by promises, promise after promise that never really pans out to be worth the effort in the long run. I am an individual in that I do not follow the herd perhaps a sleeping lion not a sheep.

The better future of the people of Britain as I see it, is the way of the lion, to look to themselves and see how they can live in a far from ideal society and live a happy life. People should perhaps ignore the bullshit we are fed by the greedy, ignore party affiliations and just get on with their lives in the best way they can. Come election time, don't vote, don't bother, why aide someone elses dreams when you know full well from history aiding a politician has not worked out well before, go and do something more interesting than believe in the greedy.

Anarchy perhaps, but is that so wrong


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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/23/2010 7:52:46 AM   
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The moderates should always vote to stop the extremists from getting in. If nothing else you don't want to see the society getting more fucked up than it already is. It's a papering over the cracks exercise, always has been.


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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/23/2010 8:29:06 AM   
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But that is the trouble, we are told we must vote to stop the extremists getting in, so in reality we are not voting for who we want, but the lesser of all evils, just to stop the extremists, so perhaps what government we get, we actually deserve for voting in such a way.

But if say extremists did get in, I wonder if they would be any worse than what we have or have had and this term 'extremist' who coined that term and for what purpose other than to make themselves look better than what they might actually be.

If say perchance a party which was labelled by other parties to be extremist got into power, who says they will be extremist in their actions, as we know full well what a party stands for pre election and what they become once in power are often two very different things. they could also be said to lie to get into power and perhaps the voting public has had enough of liars.

But Extremist, extremist to whom ?


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RE: UK Government 'too stupid for words' shocker - 10/23/2010 8:37:53 AM   
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Ignoring the despicable nature of extremism any single issue party is normally fiscally incompetent.

Extremist in my view for example would be paying skilled workers to leave the country (the sense in this???)


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