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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 11:58:16 AM   
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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 12:28:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Funny how NPR...the radio station with no political bent...can leave up a cartoon/YouTube video about how to speak "tea-bagger" but feel compelled to fire a commentator for expressing a personal feeling.  Good thing that Jesse Jackson was not working for them when he noted that he hated it but even while hating it, he felt compelled to cross the street with his wife at night if he noticed a group of young black men approaching.

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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 12:35:42 PM   
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I hope that all of you dyed in the wool "conservatives" notice that the "liberal/left wing/socialists" on this board are defending Williams to the death.

Would you do the same for a leftist's right to free speech?

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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 12:58:33 PM   
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Ding! Ding! Ding!

I hope that all of you dyed in the wool "conservatives" notice that the "liberal/left wing/socialists" on this board are defending Williams to the death.

Would you do the same for a leftist's right to free speech?
All?  So far, you are the only leftist who has defended him.  Please direct me to the posts where rulemylife, Owner59, lucylastic, slvemike4u, DomYngBlk, or politesub53 defended Juan William's position and took NPR to task?

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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 1:14:15 PM   
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Wow ,secret agent man,secret agent man,they`ve given you a number,and taken away your name.




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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 1:17:23 PM   
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Ding! Ding! Ding!

I hope that all of you dyed in the wool "conservatives" notice that the "liberal/left wing/socialists" on this board are defending Williams to the death.

Would you do the same for a leftist's right to free speech?
All?  So far, you are the only leftist who has defended him.  Please direct me to the posts where rulemylife, Owner59, lucylastic, slvemike4u, DomYngBlk, or politesub53 defended Juan William's position and took NPR to task?

Maybe you could point out where they said he shouldn't be allowed to shoot his mouth off, while demands are being made?
I think their issue is more with the bizarre slant a few of the neocons on the forum are putting on this story.

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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 1:27:15 PM   
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Ding! Ding! Ding!

I hope that all of you dyed in the wool "conservatives" notice that the "liberal/left wing/socialists" on this board are defending Williams to the death.

Would you do the same for a leftist's right to free speech?
All?  So far, you are the only leftist who has defended him.  Please direct me to the posts where rulemylife, Owner59, lucylastic, slvemike4u, DomYngBlk, or politesub53 defended Juan William's position and took NPR to task?

Maybe you could point out where they said he shouldn't be allowed to shoot his mouth off, while demands are being made?
I think their issue is more with the bizarre slant a few of the neocons on the forum are putting on this story.
Why prove a negative?  I never said they had said those things...as a matter of fact, most of their posts are directed against the conservatives who are against his firing or, in the case of Owner59, mentioning bigotry.

Bizarre slant?  Could you elaborate a bit more on what is bizarre in finding it odd that a "non-political" radio station would fire someone for expressing a personal fear?  And to update...why would that same "non-political" radio station make a comment about Williams possibly needing to see a psychiatrist?  A comment that they have now turned around and apologized for.

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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 1:31:45 PM   
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Maybe you could point out where they said he shouldn't be allowed to shoot his mouth off, while demands are being made?
I think their issue is more with the bizarre slant a few of the neocons on the forum are putting on this story.




Juan Williams fired?

Frankly I could not possibly care less, the only times I ever listen to NPR are when I listen to WXPN (U of Penn), and WRTI (Temple U) radio stations.  I listen to 'xpn to hear the newest tunes, and 'rti for classical or jazz.  Beyond those two outlets I rarely listen to NPR, and I would bet overall less than 20% of American's listen to NPR.  This like the Anita Hill thread is really a diversion, and a total waste of pixels and bandwidth.



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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 2:29:42 PM   
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the "liberal/left wing/socialists" on this board are defending Williams to the death.


uhhh, where, exactly?  And "To the death"?  uh huh. 

Firm

If you mean kdsub (Butch), I'm not sure that he'd agree with your definition of him as a "liberal/left wing/socialist".  He has always struck me as an independent-minded thinker, who holds his positions based on reflection, and an understanding of his emotional responses as well as his intellectual mind.

But a "lefty"?  Nope.


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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 2:50:38 PM   
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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 2:58:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, I think I'm leaning towards being a libertarian rather than a died in the wool lefty. I think it was wrong to fire Williams. It would have been nice for him to have been given a chance to explain or elaborate on what he meant before a quicky termination.



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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 3:52:31 PM   
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Actually, I think I'm leaning towards being a libertarian rather than a died in the wool lefty. I think it was wrong to fire Williams. It would have been nice for him to have been given a chance to explain or elaborate on what he meant before a quicky termination.


Because it was not the first time Williams made these types of controversial comments.

Here is another example, but there are many more.


What Bill O'Reilly Really Told Me - TIME

So, O'Reilly says to me that the reality to black life is very different from the lowlife behavior glorified by the rappers. He told me he was at a restaurant in Harlem recently and there was no one shouting profanity, no one threatening people. Then he mentioned going to an Anita Baker concert with an audience that was half black, and in sharp contrast to the corrosive images on TV, well dressed and well behaved.

I joked with O'Reilly that for him, a guy from Long Island, a visit to Harlem was like a "foreign trip." That's when he brought up his grandma. He said she was prejudiced against black people because she knew no flesh-and-blood black folks but only the one-dimensional TV coverage of black criminals shooting each other and the rappers and comedians glorifying "gangsta" life and thug cool. He criticized his grandmother as irrational for being afraid of people she really did not know.

I defended his grandma.

After watching all those racist, minstrel images of black people, I argued, she is right to buy into stereotypes of blacks as ignorant, oversexed and violent.




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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 4:03:28 PM   
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Anyone who can seriously see the other side of the coin is obviously deranged, a criminal or evil.

Kick 'em out of the liberal church!

We'll take 'em any day.

Firm


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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 4:08:58 PM   
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But tell me Firm, how do you seriously defend his remarks?

He is afraid to board a plane with Muslim passengers, he says that other blacks are "ignorant, oversexed, and violent".

Are these views you support as well?





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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 5:06:48 PM   
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There ya go rml ....

Anyone who can seriously see the other side of the coin is obviously deranged, a criminal or evil.

Kick 'em out of the liberal church!

We'll take 'em any day.

Firm


You're cool with massive generalised partisan disses, then? That's strange as you can often be found whining like a schoolgirl whenever an evil lefty tars the whole of the right with an inappropriately wide brush. It's okay you for you to do that, but not acceptable from the liberals is it?

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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 5:09:38 PM   
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You can have him.

But tell me Firm, how do you seriously defend his remarks?

He is afraid to board a plane with Muslim passengers, he says that other blacks are "ignorant, oversexed, and violent".

Are these views you support as well?

I support the ability to be honest.

Are you accusing Juan Williams of being a racist?

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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 5:11:25 PM   
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There ya go rml ....

Anyone who can seriously see the other side of the coin is obviously deranged, a criminal or evil.

Kick 'em out of the liberal church!

We'll take 'em any day.

You're cool with massive generalised partisan disses, then? That's strange as you can often be found whining like a schoolgirl whenever an evil lefty tars the whole of the right with an inappropriately wide brush. It's okay you for you to do that, but not acceptable from the liberals is it?


I'm talking about rml's reaction specifically.

I believe him to be an ideologue, and modern liberalism is his church.

Firm

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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 5:16:48 PM   
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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 5:26:26 PM   
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There ya go rml ....

Anyone who can seriously see the other side of the coin is obviously deranged, a criminal or evil.

Kick 'em out of the liberal church!

We'll take 'em any day.

Firm



First of all Juan Williams wasn't on NPR when he said made those comments he was on Fox.
Also, he or anyone has the right to be concerned or worried for their own safety. What's NPR on about, you can be concerned for your own safety but you can't actually "say" that you're concerned? Where do they come up with that kind of crap?
Are they ideologues trying to push their diaperload onto other people or are they pissed off because Williams doesn't appear to be an ideologue?
Some people may not agree with what he said but, he does have the *right* to say it, it's called protected speech.
Boy, this couldn't have come at a worse time for Democrats and the left. I've been saying that "political correctness" is evil, despicable and insideous for years now and the left is going to get taken to the woodshed over this.
They are going to get SHELLACKED in 12 days.

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RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. - 10/21/2010 5:30:10 PM   
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You can have him.

But tell me Firm, how do you seriously defend his remarks?

He is afraid to board a plane with Muslim passengers, he says that other blacks are "ignorant, oversexed, and violent".

Are these views you support as well?






Oh see, you took 4 words out of context and they now have a completely different meaning.
He did NOT say other blacks are "ignorant, oversexed and violent".

What he said was he understood O'Reilly's grandmother's opinions because they came from what she saw and what she saw was what she knew.

"After watching all those racist, minstrel images of black people, I argued, she is right to buy into stereotypes of blacks as ignorant, oversexed and violent."

Context makes all the difference in the world.

There was no bigotry in his statement.

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