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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Yanno, perhaps it dates me, but I heard so much crap about "The Revolution" from the left when I was growing up, that I find it really disingenuous of the lefties on this board to suddenly discover that talk of revolution somehow is so horrible.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Yanno, perhaps it dates me, but I heard so much crap about "The Revolution" from the left when I was growing up, that I find it really disingenuous of the lefties on this board to suddenly discover that talk of revolution somehow is so horrible.

Firm

Can't let this one go...perhaps because it dates me.Revolution in the 60's,save for fringe radical movements,amounted to peaceful,though noisy and discordant exercise of free speech and free assembly.There were no mainstream candidates discussing the possible overthrow,by violent means,of the gov't should an election not go their way.
There was dissatisfaction with authority with war and with deceit.....but save for some nuts(the weatherman et al) no one was calling for armed insurrection.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Yanno, perhaps it dates me, but I heard so much crap about "The Revolution" from the left when I was growing up, that I find it really disingenuous of the lefties on this board to suddenly discover that talk of revolution somehow is so horrible.

Firm

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Yanno, I'm really getting sick of conservatives who defend this nonsense based on "they did it first" childishness.

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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Yanno, I'm really getting sick of conservatives who defend this nonsense based on "they did it first" childishness.

You've got that wrong as well.
Both the candidate and the 60s radicals were well within their 1st Amendment rights. As Firm knows.
He was decrying the libs, not the speech- any speech.

If I understood him.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

The weatherman were a fringe criminal group...not candidates threatening dire circumstances if the electorate rejects them and their policies....the analogy is assinine on its face....and it suprises me that you are offering it.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Throughout history men have stood up against what they saw as abuses and no doubt negative words were used against them as well. This is and will be no different if it were to ever happen.

I personally don't think change will come till something large happens...be it a peaceful march to the white-house steps or an armed one. My bet though is it'll take more than a 1,000,000 people holding hands and passing out flowers to get anything done. This isn't the sixties and the powers that be would likely try to promise to do what needs to be done without actually doing it..Yanno..business as usual.

BTW...I'm for whatever side actually implements change and at this point..by whatever means works.

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls
...our so called commander in chief gave away nuclear secrets to the Soviets. If you or I had done that, we would have been executed for treason a few decades ago, and today we would have been locked up and the key thrown away.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

The weatherman were a fringe criminal group...not candidates threatening dire circumstances if the electorate rejects them and their policies....the analogy is assinine on its face....and it suprises me that you are offering it.

I didn't make the analogy.  You brought the weathermen up.

There were many others. 

How many ROTC buildings were bombed or burned?

There was plenty of violence and threats of violence, all through that period.

But that was then, and this is now.  When a figure from the right even slighly alludes to the facts of American history, and the "right of revolt", a bunch of lefties get their panties all in a wad and start yelling "traitor!", "sedition!"  "arrest the bastard!" (not you specifically, mike).

I find this humorous, actually.  A faint acknowledgment of the possibility, versus the historical facts of actually doing it, and its the right that's nuts?

Don't think so.

I do think that the left should be worried though.  When the normal "law and order" parts of the American people start muttering about taking up arms, then lefties truly do have something to worry about: the loss of any creditability, and the loss of elections and their power in the social and governmental structure.

Firm

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What we are seeing here are actual right-wing candidates hinting that absent a political correction,a correction as per their views,the Republic is in danger of armed rebellion.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

No Firm ,the reason the analogy sucks (and I didn't look at it as specific to the Weathermen)is because the groupd and activities that you are using as a referrence point were not,never were,represenative of the left.They were fringe radical groups....criminals in the final analyisis,And rejected by the actual left.

What we are seeing here are actual right-wing candidates hinting that absent a political correction,a correction as per their views,the Republic is in danger of armed rebellion.
It isn't,as far as I'm concerned ,a guestion of illegality....to me that is a foregone conclusion.It is that the mainstream right doesn't reject these loons !

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

There is no imperative to denounce the weatherman and their actions....one does not need to attest to their basic belief that criminality is a bad thing....the weatherman have no relevance here.....He  has also failed to  specifically denounc the Lindberg kidnapping,but one assumes he would ,were it relevant!

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

No,that's true...but the neighbor you are referring to commited his crimes when Obama was still in short pants..in other words not relevant.