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Hippiekinkster -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/23/2010 9:43:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

No,that's true...but the neighbor you are referring to commited his crimes when Obama was still in short pants..in other words not relevant.

Not relevant?

mike, mike, mike ... it's entirely relevant. 

What would you think the reaction would be from the left, if Bush had had a close friend and neighbor who was a known bomber and white supremacist and who had bombed blacks in the South during the Civil Rights movement, and who had never denounced his actions?  In fact, who claimed it was entirely justified?

The outrage from the left would have been deafening, wouldn't it?

Firm

I wouldn't even know how to answer this. It's just too moronically stupid. It's the kind of thing I might hear in a redneck bar just before the speaker fell off his stool and passed out.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/23/2010 9:51:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

I wouldn't even know how to answer this. It's just too moronically stupid. It's the kind of thing I might hear in a redneck bar just before the speaker fell off his stool and passed out.

Maybe you should hang out at a better class of bars.

Firm




slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/23/2010 9:51:56 PM)

Perhaps the left,alarmed at such information would have turned out in larger numbers,exercising their options,thereby saving the nation from the horror of Bush/Cheney...as delicious as this hypothetical might be ...it just wasn't so.
Now in the case of President Obama we can be sure of what happened...the matter was gone over and over by the right,all the mud that could be slung was slung.....and than the electorate had their say...and we know how that turned out,don't we.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/23/2010 9:58:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Perhaps the left,alarmed at such information would have turned out in larger numbers,exercising their options,thereby saving the nation from the horror of Bush/Cheney...as delicious as this hypothetical might be ...it just wasn't so.
Now in the case of President Obama we can be sure of what happened...the matter was gone over and over by the right,all the mud that could be slung was slung.....and than the electorate had their say...and we know how that turned out,don't we.

Kinda like Bush was elected twice, you mean?

Firm




slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/23/2010 10:15:44 PM)

Firm...you lost me with that response.
I am well aware Bush was elected twice....perhaps that had something to do with him not associating with right wing bomb throwers....I can not speak,intelligently,about the possible outcomes of elections past,were this or that hypotheticle situation in place.
The point is President Obama's association was public knowledge....and he was freely elected.
Elections have consequences....




FirmhandKY -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 12:13:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
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Elections have consequences....

And, that, sir is exactly what this thread is about!  [8D][:D]

Firm




slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 7:06:26 AM)

Are you shitting me......what this thread is about is a damm fool,on the eve of an election,issuing a warning to the voters about the possible dire connsequences given the wrong results.
That is a not so subtle threat...and while I might grant that making it does not violate any law(free speech and all that) it should be enough to demonstrate his unfitness for office.And should be immediately repudiated by serious and responsible Republicans.




rulemylife -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 7:17:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Violence has always been on the table (see: Second Amendment)


You're aware that one of the States has issued a call for a Constitutional Convention?? People are angry. Shit happens when people get angry enough.


Well, isn't that special?

Maybe we can work toward that goal of becoming a third-world country.




Lucylastic -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 7:30:10 AM)

Gotta love the smugness
barf




Moonhead -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 7:47:40 AM)

Becoming?




rulemylife -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 7:49:31 AM)

It is more than smugness, it is dangerous and irresponsible that certain people are talking this way while they claim to want responsibility from the government.




rulemylife -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 7:50:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Becoming?


Your point being?




Moonhead -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 7:52:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Becoming?


Your point being?


That you've had a fair few third world country boxes ticked off since the late '80s.




Lucylastic -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 7:55:29 AM)

I was being polite RML altho Im not sure how long I can keep it up.






slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 8:03:30 AM)

Well I for one am having a hard time maintaining the vaneer of politeness.The hypocrisy of ,on the one hand ,declaring themselves the keepers of "true American values",while on the other hand stating a willingness to be a part...hell a driving force ...of an armed insurrection against the gov't(freely elected mind you) of said republic is mindboggling.
We as a country have been down that path once before.....President Lincoln(the first Republican President....irony is a bitch isn't it) must be aghast at the present language adopted by his political descendants.




Moonhead -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 8:07:37 AM)

In all honesty, the whole thing looks a lot more like the secession of the Confederacy than the Boston tea party to me, but then I'm a European and so doubtless don't understand the fine nuances of American history as well as somebody who's received their entire grounding in history through talk radio and television mini series...




Lucylastic -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 8:18:59 AM)

I hear they are calling Lincoln "Revolving Abe" now due to the number of times hes turned in his grave lately




slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 8:30:08 AM)

Poor Abe.....went thru the worst time in American history,all to put to bed once and for all the notion that this country was a collection of loosely associated states,free to dissasociate themselves over political divisions....150 years after that cataclysm a new breed of nitwits declare that this silly option is again,indeed they maintain it has always been,on the table.
Such utter bullshit.




submaleinzona -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 2:08:26 PM)

Regarding the original post, I agree with those who say it's just posturing. I don't see it as seditious or any kind of serious threat.

As for the "right to revolt," I would say that's decided by a roll of the dice. If you win the revolution, then you had the right to revolt. If you lose, then you didn't have it.

Of course, if one calls for a revolution after losing an election, it begs the question as to how they can win a revolution if they can't even win an election. Half the people don't even vote anyway. If so many people aren't even willing to go to the polls on Election Day, then how would they ever get behind a popular revolt? I'm not even sure that very many people would even have the stomach and the stamina for that kind of upheaval. Relatively speaking, we've had it pretty soft for the past half century or so, experiencing far less hardship than most other countries in the world have faced. We haven't had any military coups or wars fought on our soil, at least not in my lifetime.

So, even despite what people might say, I just don't see how it could amount to anything that could truly undermine our current form of government. The government would have to be severely weakened from within before any blowhard radicals or extremists could pose a threat. That could happen if more and more rigid ideologues get elected. That could make political compromises more and more difficult, leading to more gridlock and polarization, which could weaken the government from within.

Also, budgets are tightening, services are being cut, leaving more people out in the cold. People have grown so accustomed to having things provided for them that they've grown dependent upon it, no longer as self-reliant as we used to be. Some criticize Americans as "spoiled," but the problem is that if the Powers That Be no longer have the resources to keep spoiling the American people, then there will probably be one hell of a temper tantrum on that day. Just a few days without electricity can send any city into utter chaos. A few years ago, a burst pipeline caused most of the gasoline supplies for the city of Phoenix to be cut off for a week or two. Since the government is way past the point where they can even hope to update and fix our infrastructure, we're likely to see more and more breakdowns like that.

Of course, the solution is for people to toughen up, tighten their belts, and educate themselves better on the candidates and the electoral process. When a candidate promises a free lunch, the people should see through it, but they don't. I don't know why.

I only wish we had smarter voters.













Politesub53 -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 4:31:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I was being polite RML altho Im not sure how long I can keep it up.



Im not sure how long I can keep it up either Lucy. [8D]




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