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lockedaway -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 9:29:41 PM)

Geez...if conservatism ruled the day, I would love to see Texas secede and take Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana with it.  Here is the question; if given the choice, would you rather live in an increasingly socialist U.S. or would you prefer seeing the U.S. split  with the seceding section being something much closer to what the Founding Fathers had in mind when this country was created? 

And why.  Why would you choose what you chose.



slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 9:31:56 PM)

"The war of northern agression"....what the fuck,if he can twist intent,on the part of the founders.....revising history is a mere bag of peanuts.
Have at it.....my side having won the war I don't give a fuck what you call it.[:)]



Musicmystery -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 9:43:48 PM)

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I would love to see Texas secede and take Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana with it. Here is the question; if given the choice, would you rather live in an increasingly socialist U.S. or would you prefer seeing the U.S. split

I'd love to see you go. Take Mississippi and Alabama with you.

The "socialism" mantra has been around since 1874. Yes--1874 (except then it was Democrats complaining about Republicans and Reconstruction).

You can learn the problems with your economic policies, and we can stop (with the exception of Texas) carrying you.



truckinslave -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 9:51:52 PM)

No more data than that? I've been a transplanted Texan before, and would be again.

Why? Because socialism rests on the absurd belief that I will work as hard foe your family as I will for my own.
Socialist economies shrink.
Also, Texas has an excellent concealed-carry law [:)]



lockedaway -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 9:55:31 PM)

That is too stupid a response to address.  Yes, the socialism argument has been around since the time of Rousseau and even before but it was Rousseau the coined the social contract. 

You wrote this:

"You can learn the problems with your economic policies, and we can stop (with the exception of Texas) carrying you."

What does that even mean?  When you say "we can stop (with the exception of Texas) carrying you.", what the hell are you trying to say?  You sound pretty stupid, frankly.  Are you supposing that I live in Arkansas, Oklahoma or Louisiana?  I don't.  I live in New Jersey that has 50 BILLION dollars in unfunded pension liability.  I live in a bastion of liberal thinking where it is only because of the enormous failure of the entitlement system that they are closing the books as opposed to any real desire to see people get off of the dole.  Or does your "carrying you" statement refer to something else?  Who knows.  Try to be a bit more clear when you respond.

BUT...I take it that your answer is that you would not mind seeing a chunk of the U.S. seceding.  That is your answer and I agree with you. 




lockedaway -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 9:56:47 PM)

Truckin, I think it is now 36 states that have very good concealed carry laws. 



truckinslave -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 9:57:11 PM)

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Secession is hardly the same as insurgency.


I was merely using as an example the first instance of a military splitting and fighting on both sides that came to mind.

If it happened here again I think the sides might look a lot like the red/blue map of 2000.



truckinslave -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 9:58:26 PM)

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That is too stupid a response to address.


That was my response too [:D][:D]



Musicmystery -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 9:59:04 PM)

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I live in New Jersey that has 50 BILLION dollars in unfunded pension liability.


I know reality is challenging for you....but dude, that's a state matter, not a federal one. Succession or not, that stays in NJ.



truckinslave -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 9:59:55 PM)

Have you gotten anything done in NJ yet? Where is Christie on the 2nd?



lockedaway -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 10:08:44 PM)

Duuuuude...(what a stupid, loser, hippie way to refer to someone...hey Dude...surf's up, Dude.  Wanna do a bowl, Dude?)  LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Oh man...

So...Dude...the U.S. has scores of billions of unfunded social security AND pension liability...k?  Dude?  Our debt is....what.....90 something percent of our GDP.....Dude?

The question, Dude, is whether you support secession and the answer you gave was "yes".  Am I right...........................................................................................Dude?  That's it?  I know you want to talk, Dude.  I know you want to argue.  But I asked a very...VERY simple question; would you rather stay in a socialist U.S. or would you rather live in a part of the country that seceded and became its own Republic.  You said you would like to stay.  Isn't THAT the end of our discussion, Dude?????



Musicmystery -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 10:11:27 PM)

No, it's what I use when deliberately patronizing someone.

And I see the point remains unanswered.

That's why I use Dude.



lockedaway -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 10:12:03 PM)

There is a zero% chance of getting a right to carry law in NJ.  I think Christie has not really dealt with the 2nd Amendment at all except to the extent that there will be no further erosion of it in NJ.  It is O'scumbag that poses the most serious threat with trying to put a serial number on every bullet.  What has happened in NJ is that sales of re-loading equipment has GONE THROUGH THE ROOF!  That piece of garbage, criminal, jerk off, John Corzine wanted to roll back the home defense carbine law but it didn't happen.

Still, a right to carry law in New Jersey is about as likely as Liberals insisting that people work for a living.



lockedaway -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 10:17:12 PM)

Well gosh, Dude, your point DID get addressed, Dude!  The most liberal states in the country are the states that are deepest in debt, Dude. DUUUUUUUUUUUDE......hahahahahahah.....you are too fucking funny.  Ok...let's talk about the most indebted states in the Union; NY (Liberal), NJ (Liberal), Michigan (Liberal), California (Liberal), Pennsylvania (Liberal), Maryland (Liberal), Illinois (Liberal).  Your liberal policies have failed............................................................................................DUDE.

Again, though, our discussion......see if you can follow me here.......OUR DISCUSSION...........yours and mine, Dude.........ENDED with your affirmative response that you would rather stay in a socialist U.S. than in a conservative Republic that seceded from the U.S.  That is the END of you and I needing to speak..........DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Do you understand that?? [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m21.gif[/image]



Musicmystery -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 10:22:05 PM)

from Pew Research:

Nationally, state pension plans are in reasonably good shape. At the end of fiscal year (FY) 2006, states had set aside over $1.99 trillion of the $2.35 trillion they had made in pension promises—leaving about $361 billion unfunded.

But the good news nationally masks important variations across the states:

* Over the past decade, only a third of the states have consistently set aside the amount their own actuaries said was necessary to cover the cost of promised benefits over the long term.
* Twenty states had funding levels of less than 80 percent at the end of FY 2006—below what most experts consider healthy.
* Several states have seen particularly troubling drops in their pension funding levels. Some of the biggest drops have occurred in Hawaii, Kentucky, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Washington.

Again---a matter of state by state planing.




lockedaway -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 10:30:40 PM)

Wow...you just don't get it, Dude.  Our discussion ended long ago.  What I wrote about the states that are in the most debt is irrefutable.  Period.  Jersey can't cover its 50 billion debt.  Jersey can't continue their entitlement housing.  NYS can't cover its, ADMITTED, 200 Billion dollar debt.  Understand?  Liberal policies FAIL.  OK?  People without infirmities HAVE TO WORK.  Ok Dude?  EVERYONE has to put into the kitty for the country to work and approximately 50% of this country pays no federal income tax, DUDE.  If you think that is a workable situation...well...you are mistaken. 

But I will say this for the last time, Dude....our conversation was whether the U.S. breaking up was an acceptable option for you and would you stay on the socialist side or would you go to the conservative side.  Let me say this again, Dude.  You said that it IS acceptable and you would stay on the socialist side.  Nuff said.  That is our whole conversation.  Fin.....basta....



Musicmystery -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 10:33:50 PM)

Have fun with the voices.

Remember to share them with the nice doctor.



Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/24/2010 11:11:09 PM)

you have a closed loop system.

ALL money comes through and is created by the federal reserve NO ONE ELSE!

Banks loan money into existence

You got 100 dollars in existence NO more.
You got 100 bankers
You got 100 people

Each banker lends each person 1 dollar at 10% interest

How does the the each person pay the 10% interest? 

What does the federal reserve do to pay the interest?



Charles6682 -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 12:05:15 AM)

Hey dude,I have an idea.All of you "conservative's" can pack your bag's and get the hell out of America.Go move somewhere over to the middle east.I hear there's no taxe's over there,DUDE!!



Charles6682 -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/25/2010 12:09:50 AM)

Don't be fooled.This Tea Bagger Pastor from Texas is now the spokeperson for the "Tea Bagger's express".If they don't win at the election's,expect these loser's to try other method's to advance their hatred.The good new's is,that most of the Tea Bagger's are really no threat to mainstream society.I mean after all,their mostly White older Senor's who need to be back in their Nursey Home's at a certain time.They need to change their diaper's,take their med's and go to sleep at 9:00pm.



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