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Reasonable -> Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 8:40:53 AM)

Not to lead with personal opinions too much- How do you,or not-relate to the concept?




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 8:47:53 AM)

That's what life is.

When stuff has to get done, it gets done. There can be much peace found in non-sexual service and dominance.  Most of what life is and must be done is not sexual

It's just not often as fun or interesting to talk about.





Reasonable -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 8:51:38 AM)

True, it's more of a security and common day to day life thing.

But it still pertains to relationships-and I often wonder why it gets so little attention.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 8:53:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Reasonable
But it still pertains to relationships-and I often wonder why it gets so little attention.

See above.  Talking about taxes and laundry and baby diapers are not only not as fun to talk about, but really aren't a commonality.

The reason we come to these boards is to discuss kink and the authority dynamic parts of our relationship.

We come here not to do the boring stuff. :)




Reasonable -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 9:21:22 AM)

Next please.[:)]




IronBear -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 11:01:49 AM)

The basis of Gorean slavery is non sexual. That a master or Mistress may choose use their property and even use them well (Fucking the arse of them till they are both walkig bow legged) is just something which may happen. I do know Goean homes where there are several slaves and perhaps oly those in personal collars are used sexually. The slavery we as Goreans use is that of service...Again I stress that sex is a side issus in with a slave has to earn sexual gratification unless her oener is just too randy and has no other avenues....




LadyMorgynn -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 11:08:18 AM)

Because there are those on here who rip apart anyone who doesn't do sexual or S&M domination as opposed to power exchange for power exchange's sake.  We get almost as much heat as the Goreans.   Those who attack us when we post what we're about, say we're not "real" Dominants; they claim we don't "do anything" for the slave and that the slave gets no benefits in return, etc.  Which is kinda hard to rebut, since if are unable to understand what it is the slave gets in return, you still wouldn't get it if we explained it.  Even if they didn't twist our words and deliberately misunderstand what we're trying to express.

But we are here... both the Doms, the Dommes and the slaves.

Chastity itself is a kind of kink, you know. 

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ORIGINAL: Reasonable

True, it's more of a security and common day to day life thing.

But it still pertains to relationships-and I often wonder why it gets so little attention.




Ceyx -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 11:29:47 AM)

Much of what miss does for me isn't explicitly sexual. It's still part of her service, and I enjoy it a great deal, as does she. It connects us, it grounds us, and it orients our shared world.




Reasonable -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 12:20:13 PM)

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The basis of Gorean slavery is non sexual. That a master or Mistress may choose use their property and even use them well (Fucking the arse of them till they are both walkig bow legged) is just something which may happen


This is why Goreans seem to take so much flack. The control doesn't vanish with the sex drive's satisfaction. That frightens people in who it does. I think you need to be fairly conservative and practical to run an actual D/s household-no matter the flavor.

It simply will not work on a haphazard "do your own thing' basis. it's work for all involved-not just hedonism.




BitaTruble -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 12:22:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Reasonable

Not to lead with personal opinions too much- How do you,or not-relate to the concept?


It's as much a part of his dominance as anything else. Sometimes it's about sex, sometimes it's about being sensual and sometimes it's about cleaning the toilet but it's always about which way the power flows.

Celeste




Reasonable -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 12:27:00 PM)

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say we're not "real" Dominants; they claim we don't "do anything" for the slave and that the slave gets no benefits in return, etc.


I think that those who never had to run the dynamic in day to day terms will never grok what a slave actually gets out of it.

After all,it's not a performance art-a sensation-or a thrill ride.

The gratification is lower key-but longer term. rather than play the constant partner switching game-a slave finds an owner to share life with. The benefits are consistency in knowing what is expected,support-and lots of attention.(for the most part)

And for those who do enjoy service,the rewards are in having that feeling of doing right by someone they care for. I can well understand why many sensation players mistake slaves for elitists,or feel they look at them as second class.

A master/Mistress is taxed to provide a great deal more than a simple set of nerve tingles-or an endorphin rush. It's a bit like trying to compare a bean-to the whole enchilda.[;)] A player simply refuses to provide that.




TheShadows -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 12:37:35 PM)

As LA said...
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Most of what life is a must be done is not sexual.


We totally relate.  Being married and monogamous, and both Dominant, "sexual use" of a slave is completely out of the question for us.  Different strokes for different folks, and all that.

As always, YMMV.




ShiftedJewel -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 2:28:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

Because there are those on here who rip apart anyone who doesn't do sexual or S&M domination as opposed to power exchange for power exchange's sake.  We get almost as much heat as the Goreans.   Those who attack us when we post what we're about, say we're not "real" Dominants; they claim we don't "do anything" for the slave and that the slave gets no benefits in return, etc.  Which is kinda hard to rebut, since if are unable to understand what it is the slave gets in return, you still wouldn't get it if we explained it.  Even if they didn't twist our words and deliberately misunderstand what we're trying to express.

But we are here... both the Doms, the Dommes and the slaves.

Chastity itself is a kind of kink, you know. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: Reasonable

True, it's more of a security and common day to day life thing.

But it still pertains to relationships-and I often wonder why it gets so little attention.



I completely agree with LadyMorgynn. We live an M/s lifestyle. To us the Master/Mistress and slave is a way of life and BDSM is just a perk on occasion. I definately see a distinct difference between the two. But then again... I see a distinct difference between submissive and slave... so what do I know? lol




MasterRobsalayna -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 2:39:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

Because there are those on here who rip apart anyone who doesn't do sexual or S&M domination as opposed to power exchange for power exchange's sake.  We get almost as much heat as the Goreans.   Those who attack us when we post what we're about, say we're not "real" Dominants; they claim we don't "do anything" for the slave and that the slave gets no benefits in return, etc.  Which is kinda hard to rebut, since if are unable to understand what it is the slave gets in return, you still wouldn't get it if we explained it.  Even if they didn't twist our words and deliberately misunderstand what we're trying to express.

But we are here... both the Doms, the Dommes and the slaves.

Chastity itself is a kind of kink, you know. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: Reasonable

True, it's more of a security and common day to day life thing.

But it still pertains to relationships-and I often wonder why it gets so little attention.



This girl loves, honors and respects her Master so much that serving Him, in whatever capacity that may be, is what matters.  If there was no sexual aspect this girl would be okay (yeah, a bit disappointed and a lot horny, but okay), what matters to this girl is making Him happy, doing things that please Him, help Him to relax and enjoy His life.  His girl's goal is to make His life better, not cause stress or disharmony and do whatever it is He wants, needs and desires.  That is so much more important than anything else to this slave.  As long as He is in control all is well with alayna's world  As others stated, YMMV.




slavejali -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 2:52:39 PM)

I've been involved in non-sexual submission but those times have been out of the bdsm arena. My choice to be involved in a bdsm relationship is a sexual decision. If I wanted to just be submissive and serve with no sex involved I could go lay myself at the feet of a Guru or a purely spiritual Master.

In my everyday life I lead a service orientated lifestyle, which I enjoy immensely, I do a lot of volunteer and charity work, its very fulfilling..but as far as my intimate relationship goes....my sexuality is something I can give to my partner that no one else gets....so to me its an important part of the sharing of a Master/slave dynamic within bdsm relationship.

Thinking about the kink and play aspects, I wouldnt go out to the shed and bang my thumb with a hammer so I could get off, my enjoyment of pain is deeply sexual for me...so it would be pointless for me to even be involved in play without a sexual undercurrent.




Lashra -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 2:58:40 PM)

I will be the first to admit I do not understand the M/s dynamic at all. I don't see what a slave could possibly get out of servicing a Master/Mistress, particulary with just domestic service. I've tried sexual submission and I can honestly say its not in my genes. I get no pleasure or sense of accomplishment out of serving another person. With that said, I do know people who truly enjoy the M/s lifestyle and who live very happy lives. So to those people I wish them the best.


~Lashra




KittenWithaTwist -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 3:38:26 PM)

Like LA said, it has to be done but it isn't as much fun.

In the S&M/BDSM sense, I enjoy domination. I find it exciting and arousing. I don't engage in D/s relationships (right now) and have never done so as a dominant. It just isn't any fun for me if it isn't leading to arousal.

Of course, this is why I really hate being a supervisor at work...




Interesdom -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 3:48:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Reasonable
Non-sexual domination.

Not to lead with personal opinions too much- How do you,or not-relate to the concept?


You mean I could dominate her sexually as well ?  Wow, that sounds fun!  [;)]




LadyHugs -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 4:11:22 PM)

Dear Reasonable, Ladies and Gentlemen;

Non-sexual domination. That is what I prefer in my lifestyle. So, with so many slave/submissive types touting they are great sex partners, it really is a huge turn off to me, as that is apparently where these slaves/submissive type’s minds are. What do I get out of it sexually?

I am more than a sex object. Running and maintaining a house is not sex but, something that needs to be done. However, what seems to be lacking (in my humble opinion) is the understanding, that M/s dynamic foundation is based on service without expectations of sex. What D/s dynamic foundation is more BDSM than service without expectations of sex. Although sex will occur, it is not the “all” of what an M/s and or D/s are about. There is a dance between the M/s and or D/s to which energy of being served and serving in each individual’s relationship, feeds that relationship. All relationships are unique and cannot expect being molded to anybody but those people involved.

For an example of my early times in the lifestyle, some thirty plus years ago, in cleaning a flogger to some in D/s is just a task to be done. In an M/s situation, in cleaning a flogger, we are cleaning an extensions of the Master’s body. Again, I am from an antiquated system however, every piece is an extension of the Master and a ‘service’ to the Master. To some slaves this is very sensual and spiritual merges. It would be no different than drawing and giving a Master his “bath,” within a ritual manner. Every ritual and or protocol steps have meaning, or a history in association to it.

It is surprising to me at times, that so many Masters, Mistresses and slaves have more spiritual satisfaction in serving than sexual satisfaction. It is a calling to a higher level per se. However, the chemistry between a dominant and submissive power needs to be spot on; as one in a D/s dynamic lives in the dynamic of submission and domination will have periods of high and low tides/waves of this energy, as well as the physical, emotional, mental and spiritual realms. I do feel, (in my humble opinion) that there is a form of straddle between M/s and D/s at times, in these current years of the M/s and D/s lifestyle markers.

Unless one has been a part of the 1970s lifestyles, living through the 1980s and through the 1990s into the present days, would many understand the difficulty it is to put into the proper words of what words can’t describe. It is more of a feeling without description that makes it an “magical” sense of purpose and being as a service slave and or personal slave. Perhaps using M/s dynamic as in taking care of an elderly parent, relative, dear friend--You serve from the heart, genuine concern and compassion, you bathe them and take care of them, without expectation of sex, yet you “serve.” You submit to them as a daughter/son; friend, nurse/doctor and or care giver. The gratification is that you have done something that makes someone’s life better, uplift the quality of life, you make it personal and put your soul and spirit into the service, out of love and not out of expectation of gratification in a physical or financial realm. A thank you; a form of praise, acknowledgment, a hug and or other form of appreciation is all you crave. Sex never enters the expectation. The question is; if your dominant is physically unable to perform sexually--will you be willing to serve them? Or, would you abandon that relationship as to get sexual gratification and a “whole” functional dominant? This also is a question Masters/Mistresses should ask about slaves and or submissive types that may become physically unable to perform sexually.



Respectfully submitted,

Lady Hugs




KittenWithaTwist -> RE: Non-sexual domination. (4/26/2006 4:33:03 PM)

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So, with so many slave/submissive types touting they are great sex partners, it really is a huge turn off to me, as that is apparently where these slaves/submissive type’s minds are. What do I get out of it sexually?


There's nothing wrong with this, though. I understand that it is a turn-off for you, but there is no problem with admitting that sexual interaction is an important part of your life, nor that it is something you look for in a relationship.

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Unless one has been a part of the 1970s lifestyles, living through the 1980s and through the 1990s into the present days, would many understand the difficulty it is to put into the proper words of what words can’t describe.


I'm not sure why your age or the number of years you've been involved in D/s is a factor in the ability or inability to describe the sensations you feel in a D/s relationship or an S&M relationship or a non-sexual service oriented relationship.

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The question is; if your dominant is physically unable to perform sexually--will you be willing to serve them? Or, would you abandon that relationship as to get sexual gratification and a “whole” functional dominant?


My partner and I recently went through two months of no sex at all. Even on our anniversary, no sex. I just wasn't interested at all, and my partner didn't feel the need to push me or force me. If my partner or I were unable to perform sexually, we would either live with it, or go outside the relationship to find other partners for sex. We would not end the relationship (as we love each other, quite a lot), but sex is something that gratifies us, and if we decided to do so, it would be with the full knowledge and approval of the other.  




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