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tazzygirl -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 12:20:55 PM)
What makes you believe standards of care will decrease?

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 12:22:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl What makes you believe standards of care will decrease? Looking at every other country with socialized medicine. Duhhhhh.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 12:27:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_re_us/us_employer_health_plans Seems many employers are willing to drop their health care coverage under obama care. Says that the employers will have to give employees raises to cover the missing benefit, but I have never heard that requirement in the law. This is a right to work state. You don't necessarily deserve a raise because you lose a benefit. It's the law. there is no provision mandating a raise to cover the benefit. However, you will find as more and more companies do drop their health care (nobody wants to be first, but there are millions of employees employed by companies willing to be second to drop their coverage), that many will replace some or all of that compensation just to remain competitive in the labor market. The fun will start when people that are dropped realize how much more Obamacare will cost them than the wages that replace employer coverage. We will go to single payer. The people on Wall Street and Corporate Boardrooms are too prideful to admit that they are totally wrong. Going to single payer is going to save them a pantload. Yup, and cost Americans a pantload in the form of higher premiums and reduced standards of care. You are nutty. What is in your mind that makes you think your company provides more effecient care. or better care. Somehow the doctors are going to change? Hospitals are going to close? lol....moron

DomYngBlk -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 12:31:15 PM)
[quote]ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl What makes you believe standards of care will decrease? Looking at every other country with socialized medicine. Duhhhhh. Been over this. But yeah, canadians and europeans are dying off in record rates compared to americans......lol

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 12:38:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk [quote]ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl What makes you believe standards of care will decrease? Looking at every other country with socialized medicine. Duhhhhh. Been over this. But yeah, canadians and europeans are dying off in record rates compared to americans......lol Too bad you dont understand what has been said when weve "been over this"

DomYngBlk -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 12:39:49 PM)
Yeah understand you have no idea what you are talking about. Get in a plane and go outside the country to Europe and Canada. Stop believing what you are told by Fox News

tazzygirl -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 12:42:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl What makes you believe standards of care will decrease? Looking at every other country with socialized medicine. Duhhhhh. You truly have no clue what you are referring too.

hlen5 -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 12:50:35 PM)
What I want to know is how did this health care reform go from "providing a saftey net to ensure lower costs for all" to "everyone must have insurance, even if self purchased"? What company is NOT going to dump health care when it's incumbent upon the insured to be insured? EFS

cuckoldmepls -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 12:57:03 PM)
People you are living in a fantasy world. We are never going to get this health care under control unless we address why it costs $250,000 for a kidney transplant. The democrats only look at throwing more money at the problem. They do this with every issue including health care and education, but that's not the answer. http://babelishere.webs.com/health.html

DomYngBlk -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 12:58:15 PM)
Huh? The story from you righties for months and months has been "we need to keep our company health care plans".....and companies saying "we need to provide our employees care". Not gov't run healthcare!. Well think someone finally got around to doing the numbers. Companies will have a pantload, everyone will have care, and we will once again be able to compete with other economies around the world. Its ok, you don't have to say we were right all along.

tazzygirl -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 12:59:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 What I want to know is how did this health care reform go from "providing a saftey net to ensure lower costs for all" to "everyone must have insurance, even if self purchased"? What company is NOT going to dump health care when it's incumbent upon the insured to be insured? EFS Erin Shields, a spokeswoman for the senators who wrote that part of the law, says she's confident that when companies do the math, they'll decide to keep offering coverage. That's because employers get to deduct the cost of workers' health care from the company's taxes. Take away the health plan and two things happen: Employers lose the deduction and they'll probably have to pay workers more to get them to accept the benefit cut. Not only will the company's income taxes go up, but the employer will also face a bigger bill for Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes. So it's not as simple as paying $2,000 and walking away. "It is clearly cheaper for employers to continue providing coverage," Shields said. Another wrinkle: the health insurance tax credits available through the law are keyed to relatively Spartan insurance plans, not as generous as most big employers provide. Send your workers into the insurance exchange, and valuable employees might jump to a competitor that still offers health care. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/25/health-care-will-employer_n_773253.html

rulemylife -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 12:59:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl What makes you believe standards of care will decrease? Looking at every other country with socialized medicine. Duhhhhh. You know Willbeur, where the "Duhhhhh" comes in is people providing you numerous links on a number of threads to prove that is not true. Yet you have NEVER offered the slightest bit of evidence to the contrary.

hlen5 -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 1:01:36 PM)
DomYngBlk, was your reply for me? If you think I'm a righty, you are greatly mistaken. I'm for an overhaul of our current healthcare system, I think the reform got overtaken/sidetracked by the insurance industry.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 1:03:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 What I want to know is how did this health care reform go from "providing a saftey net to ensure lower costs for all" to "everyone must have insurance, even if self purchased"? What company is NOT going to dump health care when it's incumbent upon the insured to be insured? EFS Erin Shields, a spokeswoman for the senators who wrote that part of the law, says she's confident that when companies do the math, they'll decide to keep offering coverage. That's because employers get to deduct the cost of workers' health care from the company's taxes. Take away the health plan and two things happen: Employers lose the deduction and they'll probably have to pay workers more to get them to accept the benefit cut. Not only will the company's income taxes go up, but the employer will also face a bigger bill for Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes. So it's not as simple as paying $2,000 and walking away. "It is clearly cheaper for employers to continue providing coverage," Shields said. Another wrinkle: the health insurance tax credits available through the law are keyed to relatively Spartan insurance plans, not as generous as most big employers provide. Send your workers into the insurance exchange, and valuable employees might jump to a competitor that still offers health care. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/25/health-care-will-employer_n_773253.html Two things. 1. they won't pay employees more......thats a fantasy. 2. Tax deduction is a moot point since on the other side of the balance sheet health care costs as well as employee effeciency goes up since whole departments will be redundant because they aren't needed to process company insurance claims and keep insurance and employee records.

tazzygirl -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 1:04:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls People you are living in a fantasy world. We are never going to get this health care under control unless we address why it costs $250,000 for a kidney transplant. The democrats only look at throwing more money at the problem. They do this with every issue including health care and education, but that's not the answer. http://babelishere.webs.com/health.html Your babelshit site doesnt offer up a source for their information either. The average cost, 50,000 to 100,000 thousand... thats just for the transplant. Now, if you want to toss in anti-rejection meds and subsequent visits, then we can reach the 250000 mark.

rulemylife -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 1:05:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls People you are living in a fantasy world. We are never going to get this health care under control unless we address why it costs $250,000 for a kidney transplant. The democrats only look at throwing more money at the problem. They do this with every issue including health care and education, but that's not the answer. http://babelishere.webs.com/health.html Babbleshit.com again? Yeah, okay. We wouldn't want to use any of those unreliable liberally-biased media outlets.

mnottertail -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 1:05:48 PM)
The answer will not be found in tort reform. Which is what the other babblers are going to come on with.

tazzygirl -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 1:06:10 PM)
To a business, a tax deduction is never a moot point. Its more than just the tax deductions, its also the medicare and SS taxes as well. Then a business has to worry about staying competitive.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 1:06:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 DomYngBlk, was your reply for me? If you think I'm a righty, you are greatly mistaken. I'm for an overhaul of our current healthcare system, I think the reform got overtaken/sidetracked by the insurance industry. Bending low....my apologies

DomYngBlk -> RE: Employers looking at health insurance options (10/26/2010 1:08:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl To a business, a tax deduction is never a moot point. Its more than just the tax deductions, its also the medicare and SS taxes as well. Then a business has to worry about staying competitive. Don't see them going up. I don't have a crystal ball but business taxes probably wont be effected.

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