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inurtrash -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/27/2010 4:03:47 PM)
Giving my Princess gifts and tributes is part of the relationship that we have, I feel good giving to her and she likes getting things. It's a fetish like any other. She's not a professional and doesn't do it as a living. Turning over my money is simply a part of serving her, just like doing housework or errands is. I don't really see the point of people making a problem of financial servitude even though they endorse other forms. I work for her at my job too.

SaharahEve -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/28/2010 10:23:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: inurtrash Giving my Princess gifts and tributes is part of the relationship that we have, I feel good giving to her and she likes getting things. It's a fetish like any other. She's not a professional and doesn't do it as a living. Turning over my money is simply a part of serving her, just like doing housework or errands is. I don't really see the point of people making a problem of financial servitude even though they endorse other forms. I work for her at my job too. Thank you for offering a sane response against the predictable tide of sour grapes. You are correct; there is no difference between financial servitude and any other servitude, and to insist giving the one you worship and adore—even in the beginning—gifts and money always equates to a client and provider relationship means one of two things: your experience (and as a result, vision) is very narrow, or you're guilty of wishful thinking. Some are blessed with both charming qualities, but that doesn't keep them from speaking like public service authorities on the subject.

submitting4U -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/28/2010 2:39:17 PM)
I have a problem with financial domination, especially where the sub gets zilch and the web masters clean out your account. That is predatory behavior and we have prisons for that. That being said, i see a professional dominatrix regularly and she deserves every bit of the money and the gifts that i gladly buy her. Unlike many others, she puts real effort into the scene, from the seduction down to "my destruction" as she refers to it. She did set the bar high with a given tribute, however, she sees a small clientele and i am happy to be part of her stable. I would not feel too differently if she wasn't a "Pro". Powerful women deserve to be treated like princesses in my opinion ... if they are the real deal, they will reciprocate with something in the exchange... maybe not what we (subs) want, but something of real value.

stef -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/28/2010 2:59:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: submitting4U I have a problem with financial domination, especially where the sub gets zilch and the web masters clean out your account. If they're getting zilch, why are they paying? They must be getting something worthwhile out of it if they keep paying, right? Some need is being satisfied. ~stef

Nineveh -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/28/2010 3:04:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: submitting4U I have a problem with financial domination, especially where the sub gets zilch and the web masters clean out your account. If they're getting zilch, why are they paying? They must be getting something worthwhile out of it if they keep paying, right? Some need is being satisfied. ~stef +1 Also, like I said before, financial domination does not mean taking all your money. Taking all your money is an extreme form of tribute. Financial domination is controlling your money and can quite often be for the subs own good.

submitting4U -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/28/2010 3:22:52 PM)
Ok folks semantics here so i will call it financial exploitation and i define it as something (money) for nothing ... usually happens when promises are made, you encourage the slave onward to give more and they get little or nothing ... There might a need (subconscious desrie to affirm one's belief they are worthless or powerless) so they oblige the thief ... hand their money over through Paypal, etc ... not cool and it is the playpen of criminals and miscreants ... Better to tribute the real deal, as in a Professional, in person, someone referred or with a good review for professionalism.

SaharahEve -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/28/2010 4:57:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: submitting4U Ok folks semantics here so i will call it financial exploitation and i define it as something (money) for nothing ... Which is also a "kink", too, lest we forget. But I do agree that getting set up and spun around isn't very nice. It's important to draw distinction between professional services, exploitation fetishists, idiot filtering, financial domination, actual slavery and stupid internet tricks that are criminal. Throwing it all or most of it in the same bag isn't right.

SPIT00N -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/30/2010 2:09:50 AM)
<<And if the sub is paying the Dom/me , who is actually in charge in a situation like that?? >> 1) The so-called sub is in control. He who pays the piper calls the tune. 2) It is not financial domination. It is prostitution and those making money out of it are prostitutes/escorts/rentboys. I have opinion against that, each according to their own but one has to condemn their dishonesty in polluting many a sub/dom site with their activities rather than being honest and paying for escorting sites where they are remarkably absent, no doubt probably barred. 3) Their terminology is absurd. I have lost count of the number of times I have been addressed as a "worthless faggot" by someone who is in the process of effectively begging from me after I put a personal ad in a personal section elsewhere. If you call me worthless them act like I am and take your hat to someone who you can acknowledge has the means to be charitable instead of getting someone else to live your lie.... most of the cash masters do it because they can't get a woman or a job. 4) All they seem to offer is cam and feet. Cam is artificial and illusory, but foot worship? Come on, it's a cop out and if you look at all the subs you will see that foot worship is barely sought... come to think of it if you look at the doms the same applies, it is way down the list of priorities if at all. Returning back to the prostitution/escorting thing I cannot understand why anybody pays these fakes because if you use a dominant escort you will actually get real value for money instead of staring into your webcam at some losers feet pretending you are with him when you are alone in your room.

MissAsylum -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/30/2010 4:17:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SPIT00N <<And if the sub is paying the Dom/me , who is actually in charge in a situation like that?? >> 1) The so-called sub is in control. He who pays the piper calls the tune. I know quite a few who are financial dommes/doms. The ones on this site may be a bit sketchy, but the ones I know are very established in the online scene. They don't get naked for cash on cam, the people who give them money are for the most part genuinely interested in just handing over their money and are well aware that they are getting nothing in return, And that is what gets them off. To each his own. 2) It is not financial domination. It is prostitution and those making money out of it are prostitutes/escorts/rentboys. I have opinion against that, each according to their own but one has to condemn their dishonesty in polluting many a sub/dom site with their activities rather than being honest and paying for escorting sites where they are remarkably absent, no doubt probably barred. According to Webster's legal dictionary, prostitution is defined as follows: Main Entry: pros·ti·tu·tion Pronunciation: "präs-t&-'tü-sh&n, -'tyü- Function: noun : the act or practice of engaging in sexual activity indiscriminately esp. for money; also : the crime of engaging in such activity And by poking around quite a few legal websites, actual physical contact needs to be made for it to be deemed prostitution, such as using an orifice. So what I am getting from your views on what prostitution is, exotic dancers are prostitutes, those who work at peep shows that are behind the glass are prostitutes. By chance, do you think people who engage in pornography are prostitutes? I'm honestly just wondering. And I'm not sure I understand the whole dishonesty part you are talking about. Most financial domination takes place online(where we are currently), and it is an act where a person is Dominant and the other person is submissive(fancy that, that applies to this site as well). People have a choice here as to who they chose to involve themselves with. And to my knowledge, an escort is a person who is paid for their company. When sex gets involved, of course, its illegal. However, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't escorts physically present when administering their services? The only people who are dishonest are those that do a bait and switch. If a person knows what they are getting upfront, how is that dishonest? 3) Their terminology is absurd. I have lost count of the number of times I have been addressed as a "worthless faggot" by someone who is in the process of effectively begging from me after I put a personal ad in a personal section elsewhere. If you call me worthless them act like I am and take your hat to someone who you can acknowledge has the means to be charitable instead of getting someone else to live your lie.... most of the cash masters do it because they can't get a woman or a job. I don't particularly agree with that practice of debasing another human being while trying to pry money out of them. And this is just another honest inquiry, but have you by chance, asked these people who act this way if they cannot get a mate or a job? Or is this an assumption? 4) All they seem to offer is cam and feet. Cam is artificial and illusory, but foot worship? Come on, it's a cop out and if you look at all the subs you will see that foot worship is barely sought... come to think of it if you look at the doms the same applies, it is way down the list of priorities if at all. Some people post on their profiles that cam and feet are what they are looking for. In my opinion, I don't believe its proper to group everybody that identifies as submissive in with what you are looking for and what you believe in. The same applies to stereotypes. I am of African-American heritage- does that automatically mean that I love fried chicken and watermelon? (as a side note, i'm not fond of fried chicken at all, and the taste of watermelon makes me want to vomit) Returning back to the prostitution/escorting thing I cannot understand why anybody pays these fakes because if you use a dominant escort you will actually get real value for money instead of staring into your webcam at some losers feet pretending you are with him when you are alone in your room. Just because another person is interested in other things than what you are interested in, doesn't automatically deem them a fake. Like I stated before, there is the option of "online only" on profiles- some people look for that on collarme. Just hide and/or block the profiles that promote such activities if they bother you so much.

RedMagic1 -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/30/2010 5:43:23 AM)
Damn girl! That answer was hotter than your pics. Dick Gregory told a famous joke: I was sitting in a restaurant about to eat some chicken. I had picked up a knife and fork. In came three brothers, you know the ones I mean, the brothers Ku, Klux and Klan. They said, "Boy, enjoy your dinner, because anything you do to that chicken, we're going to do to you." So I put down my knife and fork, I picked up the chicken... and I kissed it. 1961, baby. That man had a pair. He wrote an autobiography, with a one-word title that starts with N, but the spam filter will reject the post if I type it out. It's an amazing book. Meanwhile, spit00n, 100% of your posts so far are complaints and harangues. Maybe if you schmoozed and flirted a bit more, you'd be rejected a bit less.

RedMagic1 -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/30/2010 5:47:44 AM)
Another Dick Gregory quote: I never learned hate at home, or shame. I had to go to school for that.

MissAsylum -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/30/2010 7:36:50 AM)
Surprisingly, I have never heard this. I must read. scans Amazon.com for book quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 Damn girl! That answer was hotter than your pics. Dick Gregory told a famous joke: I was sitting in a restaurant about to eat some chicken. I had picked up a knife and fork. In came three brothers, you know the ones I mean, the brothers Ku, Klux and Klan. They said, "Boy, enjoy your dinner, because anything you do to that chicken, we're going to do to you." So I put down my knife and fork, I picked up the chicken... and I kissed it. 1961, baby. That man had a pair. He wrote an autobiography, with a one-word title that starts with N, but the spam filter will reject the post if I type it out. It's an amazing book. Meanwhile, spit00n, 100% of your posts so far are complaints and harangues. Maybe if you schmoozed and flirted a bit more, you'd be rejected a bit less.

txurinal -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/30/2010 9:31:02 AM)
i have to agree with Submitting4u. i too see a professional and tribute is offered to HIM only for HIS time. i have no qualms offering a monetary gift and feel HE deserves it. i would NEVER send cash to a stranger via the internet but no problem wih a face to face meeting

SaharahEve -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/30/2010 9:51:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SPIT00N Cam is artificial and illusory, but foot worship? Come on, it's a cop out and if you look at all the subs you will see that foot worship is barely sought... Not really here or there, but what are you using as a source and method for arriving at that conclusion? I'd say 80% of the comments I receive daily contain entreaties or propositions about either worshiping my feet or caming with me.

openmindedslave -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/30/2010 1:51:12 PM)
Actually isint more the technolgy is giving those out here you sources of expression . The cam may seem cold or foreign to some. but could we not say that about videos or magazines. People pay for minutes with both clips on line or a person on line to dom them.. TWhat about reading erotic chapters in a book to one person imight be a waste wihtout having a picture of the people involved , but to someone else their imagaination comes alive with not having the images to rely on . There are machines that I am sure will become the norm for many out here in the future that will allow couples to attach devices on to their body parts and with the help on the internet allow for some type of release. I am sure they will have one with a Dom will push a button and something will get shocked , or pinched or squeezed or can be inserted deeper. And I am sure someone will have the same argument or discussion concerning how real the experience is or will still have some argument about having to pay for the doms involvement... And on a slightly differnet view on this ..Much of the world while we like to say is closer to each other than in the past because of the internet and the ability to travel , we cant always be where we want to be .. What if there are subs or slaves who are on line that have a standing date so to say to be with a Mistress that they feel is beautful , caring ,and fullfills the dreams of the client. The Professional does not judge them for who they are or for what they seek. Instead , they offer to allow them the freedom to explore their desires with them .. Really what is si bad about any of this .. Yes I will agree there are some that will seek out the weak that come to them and will take them for what they can get. But most are not going to do that . In fact , I was told once and I think it may have been mentioned earlier ,, that if your a professional. you better give the client what they seek or else they wont come back. Seriously... doesnt that make sense . And another last note,,, Most of the Professionals on here probably do this for added income . They may get a client that will pay a couple of hundred in tribute,, but it may take a while to a get another client to see them . And unless your really running a full time business here,, most are just trying to supplement thier incomes. Its a hard career unless you have the right clients , run this like a biusiness first and for most or that you have some fame out here to really support your living cost now a days

IronBear -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/31/2010 10:29:31 AM)
For the sake of this debate, assume I have a slave in a house or personal collar, she works during the day and earns reasonable money and live with us 24/7....... Financial Tributes: Something I would not ask for other than she pay her share of the home expenses such as food and utilities. Thus the only "tribute" I expect is that she complete the chores about the home assigned to her. Other than that, should she wish to gift me with something then I shall be happy to accept that as a gift. Financial Domination: The collared one is a slave which means I control all her spending. her money (after paying into the house as mentioned above), is regulated by me so she has basic spending money for travel, lunches etc as well as personal things she needs. the rest is placed in her account which I control but which she can view the bank statements any time. This way I can assure myself that she has both emergency money and a savings to help her should we part company to which I would contribute according to my finances at the time. It is important that the slave never be left homeless with no financial holdings to help her re-establish herself.

txurinal -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/31/2010 10:56:59 AM)
IRONBEAR, SIR When this sub was owned its MASTERS took 50% of its paycheck each week. A portion used for household and slave personal expenses and the rest held by the MASTERS. When the day came that the slave was released from service, the funds were given at that time to the slave. Prior to then, all monies were held by the MASTERS and the slave was not allowed access to it

IronBear -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/31/2010 12:13:38 PM)
txurinal, I have seen this in a number of M/s relationships too along with the style I use. The continuum of this is of course for me is a situation where the service slave is 24/7 and "employed' as a house keeper of similar servant. Thus the wages I would be paying are banked in her name and the home picks up the cost of utilities and food. Thus the slave only needs reasonable pocket money for personal things not including clothes. (I would decide how much she could spend and decide on the final choices she makes. Uniforms and specialty clothing are paid for by the home and non uniform items are gifted to her), the bank account is handed over if termination for any reason occurs.

MIsabelah -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/31/2010 12:42:54 PM)
To the OP: Financial domination and financial tribute are two different things. Personally, a tribute to a Goddess or Queen can come in many forms and should be something the submissive or slave wishes and desires to affirm. Getting her coffee and instead of simply putting it down before her, hold it up and kiss it or present it to her in such a way that she feels and knows you appreciate her. Back to money. Financial domination is taking control of every speck of your money- even what you make. Your income belongs to her. She pays the bills and gives you an allowance and on and on. Financial tribute is giving money for service in return. OR like the latter something you give to her because you appreciate her and wish to please her needs financially, emotionally, spiritually and etc.... I would want someone to show tribute to me in many ways. However, if you don't want to pay a Pro-Domme politely tell them no and move on.

AquaticSub -> RE: tributes, financial domination (10/31/2010 12:48:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SPIT00N <<And if the sub is paying the Dom/me , who is actually in charge in a situation like that?? >> 1) The so-called sub is in control. He who pays the piper calls the tune. Tribute is tribute, not a paycheck. In many cases, tribue is not required to be cash and finacial domination does not mean the owner gets to go to Vegas with the sub's paycheck. quote: 2) It is not financial domination. It is prostitution and those making money out of it are prostitutes/escorts/rentboys. I have opinion against that, each according to their own but one has to condemn their dishonesty in polluting many a sub/dom site with their activities rather than being honest and paying for escorting sites where they are remarkably absent, no doubt probably barred. Hardly - Valyraen has complete control over my finances though he - legally - can only touch a small bit of them. He simply tells me how much I should reserve for the car payment, for the credit card, to put in savings, etc. Most of it, he can not touch. Until he orders me to pull it out for him. He is dominating my finances, he is financially dominating. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water, shall we? Just because some scam artists use the term doesn't mean that it isn't a valid relationship aspect for power dynamics. quote: 3) Their terminology is absurd. I have lost count of the number of times I have been addressed as a "worthless faggot" by someone who is in the process of effectively begging from me after I put a personal ad in a personal section elsewhere. If you call me worthless them act like I am and take your hat to someone who you can acknowledge has the means to be charitable instead of getting someone else to live your lie.... most of the cash masters do it because they can't get a woman or a job. Yeah and I get male subs who want me to whip their ass. Does that mean all male subs are incapable of grasping the fact that I'm not interested in submissive men? I also get dominant women who want me to move across the country and leave Valyraen for them. Does that mean that all dominant woman are idiots? I know that neither of those are true and I know that the sterotypes you are pulling out here aren't true either. quote: 4) All they seem to offer is cam and feet. Cam is artificial and illusory, but foot worship? Come on, it's a cop out and if you look at all the subs you will see that foot worship is barely sought... come to think of it if you look at the doms the same applies, it is way down the list of priorities if at all. You'd be surprised. I'm not even listed as a dominant and I get men begging for my feet and men in general wanting me on cam. quote: Returning back to the prostitution/escorting thing I cannot understand why anybody pays these fakes because if you use a dominant escort you will actually get real value for money instead of staring into your webcam at some losers feet pretending you are with him when you are alone in your room. Let's be clear... I think you are completely off your rocker when you refer to financial domination and tribute as the exclusive relm of the pro-domme. However... What the hell entitles you to mock the kinks of others? You brand people 'fakes' and condemn those that use them. Obviously they are getting something out of it - maybe they don't have the money/time/freedom to go to a pro-domme in person. Maybe that is their only outlet for whatever reason. Chill out and focus on what you want to get instead of getting pissed off that other people are trying to get what they want too.

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