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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 2:27:22 PM   
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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 2:28:29 PM   
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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 2:30:52 PM   
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less than six months...way less




WITH OUT MEDICAL INTERVENTION?  Seriously with medical intervention three month old fetuses can survive.  I say base the legality on the consensus of when the fetus is viable SANS MEDICINE. 


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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 2:31:48 PM   
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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 3:27:11 PM   
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I often find it interesting that a group of men will debate an issue that is so utterly feminine.

edited to clarify... this is directed at no one in particular.



tazzy, I am one of those men that posit that if we (men that is) had to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term it would take about three fucking weeks to legalize abortion.  It would take 6 months (or less) for the men to make it an insurable procedure.  Oh and birth control would be covered real damned quick as well.  I figure since I will never be raped and forced to carry any resulting pregnancy to term, I should either shut up, or offer my support to women. 

Since I am a mouthy mother f--ker I offer my support.  Not that it is really needed.


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no it wouldnt because if you had all the functionaries of a female the same mental processing would be part of it.


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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 3:28:35 PM   
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If they take responsibility for their sperm... you have a point.
but hell im not getting into that debate
too tired and not really into discounting mens opinions, just at a crappy post



so who is most guilty?  The sperm donor or egg donor?  :)


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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 3:31:10 PM   
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At what point does it become murder?



How about the point at which the "parasite" is viable on its own with no medical interference?  That would pretty much cover the last trimester, as it is not a very viable being with out medical intervention before then.



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P.S. Spontaneous miscarriage can happen  at any point in a pregnancy, should the woman be accountable for murder if it happens in the last trimester?



will it be retroactive?


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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 4:07:25 PM   
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will it be retroactive?



Nothing so radical, but I have always sarcastically maintained that abortion should be legal until they start paying room & board. 

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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 4:44:56 PM   
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no i dont. you see it as murder. i do not.


Get a bloody grip. Shooting someone in the way the doctor was killed is murder. Just because somone is anti abortion it doesnt give them the right to kill.

Edits to clarify..... Tazzy, I was speaking of the thread being about the murder of the doctor, nothing to do with the abortion issue. I can see we may or may not have our wires crossed. For the record, women should have the right to decide, that has always been my view.

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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 5:38:04 PM   
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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 7:56:27 PM   
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no i dont. you see it as murder. i do not.


Get a bloody grip. Shooting someone in the way the doctor was killed is murder. Just because somone is anti abortion it doesnt give them the right to kill.

Edits to clarify..... Tazzy, I was speaking of the thread being about the murder of the doctor, nothing to do with the abortion issue. I can see we may or may not have our wires crossed. For the record, women should have the right to decide, that has always been my view.


Killing the Dr is, indeed, cold blooded murder. And, yes, i do believe we got our wires crossed.

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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 7:59:16 PM   
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I see, so preventing a pregancy is equivalent to terminating one.

And dont be surprised to see a reversal in SCOTUS on mens rights in the abortion decision in the not too distant future.


I hardly think that will ever happen. For one, women's rights are well entrenched. They may try and take away our right to abortions... and a fight will ensue. You will never convince me the SC will ever give men the right to tell a woman she must bow to the demands of a man when determining what she does with her own body.

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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 8:30:11 PM   
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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 8:34:00 PM   
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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 8:34:58 PM   
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yup


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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 8:35:42 PM   
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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 8:38:50 PM   
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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 8:40:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		They do have a right to life... after the age of viability... or have you discounted the Late term abortion rulings?

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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 8:50:51 PM   
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think how devastating it would be if a fetus had a right to life 




Table of viability of a fetus:



COMPLETED WEEKS OF GESTATION AT BIRTH (using last menstrual period) CHANCE OF SURVIVAL 21 weeks and less 0% 22 weeks 0-10%* 23 weeks 10-35% 24 weeks 40-70% 25 weeks 50-80% 26 weeks 80-90% 27 weeks >90% 30 weeks >95% 34 weeks >98%
* Most babies at 22 weeks are not resuscitated because survival without major disability is so rare.

This is from the 90's so it may not be the most up to date, but I think any abortion before 20 weeks should not even be open for discussion or dissent.  I think from 20 weeks until the fetus has a 50% chance of survival should be on a certified special needs basis.    This is only my opinion, I could be wrong.


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RE: Terrorism uin the USA - 10/28/2010 8:56:44 PM   
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