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Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 10:56:53 AM

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Is all American conservatism based upon fear? This seems a legitimate political question and one that should be tentatively answered in the affirmative. If one itemized the major conservative positions they seem to define themselves in relation to fear of the other, be that other gays, foreigners, Obama, immigrants, Muslims, minorities, other nations, the educated……one could go on. This fear summarized best by the sentiment expressed by conservatives that they are losing their country seems coupled with a strong selfishness regarding paying for the operation of government, motivates what passes for conservatism is contemporary America. A serious conservative opposition would be welcome, but it seems all we have in screaming children.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:02:09 AM

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No, it isn't.
Some of it's based on racism, or just plain stupidity.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:04:58 AM

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There is also that group that bases it upon the thickness/thinkness of their wallets alone.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:09:22 AM

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Isn't that Libertarians, rather than conservatives, though?

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:09:52 AM

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I did mention selfishness as well and can include racism as fear I think....lol

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:13:47 AM

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quote:

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Isn't that Libertarians, rather than conservatives, though?

To be perfectly honest, i dont think money has a political leaning... its whoever pays the best.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:14:58 AM

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Well, that's why it's so hard to tell your two parties apart isn't it? Whoever's in power, Wall Street's fist is still up their arse...

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:20:14 AM

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Its not just Wall Street.

Think about those companies who want to go green... they are definitely pushing for their side... and those who are into health care... pushing for their side.. insurance companies dont care who is in power, as long as their own throats dont get cut.. and the list goes on and on.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:23:45 AM

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You have companies who want to go green in America?

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:25:03 AM

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LOL.. yeah.. amazing huh! Going green, by that i mean companies who are ready to sell the technology and are banking on madatory changes to fatten their bottom line

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:25:32 AM

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And liberalism is based on the fear that people can't be trusted with their own money.

Your OP is so full of shit it turned my monitor brown.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:26:11 AM

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Oh, I see. They've invested in alternative technologies and were hoping Obama might send some action their way instead of carrying on as Bush did...

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:26:17 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Isn't that Libertarians, rather than conservatives, though?

Neither, they are called republicans today. They are not conservative at all and certainly not libertarian. I am going by their actual policy enactments, not the hypocritical bullshit that drools out of their mouths.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:27:21 AM

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quote:

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FR

And liberalism is based on the fear that people can't be trusted with their own money.

Your OP is so full of shit it turned my monitor brown.

I didn't make the OP, sweetie. 2/10.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:27:30 AM

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quote:

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Oh, I see. They've invested in alternative technologies and were hoping Obama might send some action their way instead of carrying on as Bush did...

Pretty much... though.. in Obama's defense, he has had more important things to work through than going green

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:28:43 AM

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I think 'fear' is, considering most rightists I've met offline, too strong a word, BUT you're on the right track. I think the traditional definition is better-founded, namely that the only difference between the left and right is the speed at which change occurs, the left wants revolution, the right evolution (in all senses bar, for many, the scientific!).

I suppose I ought to show my own colours here and say that if I were an American, I'd be firmly democratic. I was as close to fearing a political leader, in my life, when Bush was re-elected in '04, as I thought the war-crazed, bloodthirsty bastard was going to put us all on the fast-track to Armageddon - in hindsight, the fact that he wasn't quite a Nazi means that process has been prolonged, but God only knows by how much.

But going back to topic, I don't fear big business, I'm apprehensive about it. I want tighter, deeper regulation of the banking sector. But just so we're clear, I'm not scared of it (hell most of my career was in 8 figure+ turnover companies) any more than you're scared of lesbians, mexican immigrants etc.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:29:49 AM

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No, but it is based on reality and the Constitution.

On the other hand, disdain for conservatives is based on jealousy of corporations and wealthy people, that is a fact. The bottom line is that one of the key components of freedom is the right to accumulate wealth. Communism doesn't allow that, and every step the democrats take is designed to make it more difficult to accumulate wealth.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:33:06 AM

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Wouldn't it be great if everybody said "CUCKY!" whenever one of these guys posted? Just like the "NOOOORM!" thing on Cheers...

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:39:36 AM

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LOL.. yeah.. amazing huh! Going green, by that i mean companies who are ready to sell the technology and are banking on madatory changes to fatten their bottom line

Course the real problem is that [it] need be mandatory. Going green impacts profits and because I feel entitled to a profit and the highest possible...you will need to give me another profit in going green or a tax benefit to offset the costs...of going green.

Going green via the tax code, is a tax on customers and wage earners.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 11:40:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

No, but it is based on reality and the Constitution.

On the other hand, disdain for conservatives is based on jealousy of corporations and wealthy people, that is a fact. The bottom line is that one of the key components of freedom is the right to accumulate wealth. Communism doesn't allow that, and every step the democrats take is designed to make it more difficult to accumulate wealth.

Assumptions can also prove how stupid you are, cucky. Do you believe only conservatives are rich?

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