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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 1:57:13 PM   
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  It also justifies the authoritarianism that conservatives feel to be vital  in order to make society 'work'. 


there is nothing more authoritarian than the redistribution of wealth.

Does that go for redistributing wealth upwards, as is popular in monetarist economies, or just trying to use tax revenue to stop the unemployed starving to death in the gutter?

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 1:58:06 PM   
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there is nothing more authoritarian than the redistribution of wealth.


I think there are lots of things more authoritarian than the redistribution of wealth.  Being told what to think, what to feel; what do to with mind and body . . . . wealth doesn't matter to me as much as those things.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 2:19:49 PM   
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there is nothing more authoritarian than the redistribution of wealth.


I think there are lots of things more authoritarian than the redistribution of wealth.  Being told what to think, what to feel; what do to with mind and body . . . . wealth doesn't matter to me as much as those things.


No one has authority over what you think and feel..if they do, you do so willingly. Conservatives have no monopoly over regulating mind and body, to imply they do is a lie. Wealth is power and ultimately control over that wealth is control over your very existence.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 2:26:07 PM   
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Is all American conservatism based upon fear? This seems a legitimate political question and one that should be tentatively answered in the affirmative. If one itemized the major conservative positions they seem to define themselves in relation to fear of the other, be that other gays, foreigners, Obama, immigrants, Muslims, minorities, other nations, the educated……one could go on. This fear summarized best by the sentiment expressed by conservatives that they are losing their country seems coupled with a strong selfishness regarding paying for the operation of government, motivates what passes for conservatism is contemporary America. A serious conservative opposition would be welcome, but it seems all we have in screaming children.


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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 2:51:17 PM   
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Conservatives live in reality. For example, we've already seen the Spanish tv commercials on our English speaking stations. It's only a matter of time before these stations either go all Spanish or put more Spanish programming on than English programming.


As they are supporters of the free market I'm sure this makes conservatives happy. Companies should let the market decide what language they advertise in, no?

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RE: Are all lefties smug bastards? - 10/27/2010 3:24:32 PM   
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Well, well, well, aren't all of you left of center posters just God's gift to the world?

So far-sighted, loving, compassionate ... (unless someone disagrees with you.)

Holding a party of self-congratulations and smug superiority, trashing those who may have a different point of view than you, setting the stage and clearing the future path of enlightenment, where all of us frightened, sub-human, racist conservatives who disagree with you will enter the gates of future societal heaven (and re-education.  For our own good, of course).  Or simply eliminate.  For the good of society, of course.




Excuse me for a minute. 




I have to go puke.




Yeeeeechhh!!




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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 3:43:33 PM   
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There is a great deal of generalization here, because reasoned conservative posters are outnumbered 3000 to 1 by neo-con untutored imbiciles out here.

Further, you posted something on the 9/11 mosque thread that I am going to beat you up with now, along the lines of closely held beliefs; no matter how improper or repugnant held by people are valid and whatever......you know where I am headed.

Well, it is a core principle of mine that I don't have to suffer fools gladly.


But there is a vast amount of vituperation and smugness from the conservative posters out here as well.........


It is life, the US was created mostly in barroms.

Smugly.    



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RE: Are all lefties smug bastards? - 10/27/2010 3:54:52 PM   
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Well, well, well, aren't all of you left of center posters just God's gift to the world?

So far-sighted, loving, compassionate ... (unless someone disagrees with you.)

Holding a party of self-congratulations and smug superiority, trashing those who may have a different point of view than you, setting the stage and clearing the future path of enlightenment, where all of us frightened, sub-human, racist conservatives who disagree with you will enter the gates of future societal heaven (and re-education.  For our own good, of course).  Or simply eliminate.  For the good of society, of course.




Excuse me for a minute. 




I have to go puke.




Yeeeeechhh!!




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In fact, the only thing conservatives fear is liberalism. That the fear is justified is amply demonstrated on this board.

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RE: Are all lefties smug bastards? - 10/27/2010 3:55:19 PM   
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There is a great deal of generalization here, because reasoned conservative posters are outnumbered 3000 to 1 by neo-con untutored imbiciles out here.

True for both sides of the equation, Ron.


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Further, you posted something on the 9/11 mosque thread that I am going to beat you up with now, along the lines of closely held beliefs; no matter how improper or repugnant held by people are valid and whatever......you know where I am headed.

Perhaps.  You'd have to link to the exact quote, so I could read it in context.


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Well, it is a core principle of mine that I don't have to suffer fools gladly.

But there is a vast amount of vituperation and smugness from the conservative posters out here as well.........

Then hit them specifically, and not "all" conservatives in general.

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RE: Are all lefties smug bastards? - 10/27/2010 3:57:27 PM   
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In fact, the only thing conservatives fear is liberalism. That the fear is justified is amply demonstrated on this board.

I'm not afraid of liberalism.  In fact, I'm much more a liberal than you are.

You are a leftist ideologue, not a liberal at all.

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RE: Are all lefties smug bastards? - 10/27/2010 4:00:17 PM   
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RE: Are all lefties smug bastards? - 10/27/2010 4:03:26 PM   
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RE: Are all lefties smug bastards? - 10/27/2010 4:04:59 PM   
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FR:

Well, well, well, aren't all of you left of center posters just God's gift to the world?

So far-sighted, loving, compassionate ... (unless someone disagrees with you.)

Holding a party of self-congratulations and smug superiority, trashing those who may have a different point of view than you, setting the stage and clearing the future path of enlightenment, where all of us frightened, sub-human, racist conservatives who disagree with you will enter the gates of future societal heaven (and re-education.  For our own good, of course).  Or simply eliminate.  For the good of society, of course.




Excuse me for a minute. 




I have to go puke.




Yeeeeechhh!!




Firm



True, but I have a feeling you are wasting your breath.

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RE: Are all lefties smug bastards? - 10/27/2010 4:08:16 PM   
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FR:

Well, well, well, aren't all of you left of center posters just God's gift to the world?

So far-sighted, loving, compassionate ... (unless someone disagrees with you.)

Holding a party of self-congratulations and smug superiority, trashing those who may have a different point of view than you, setting the stage and clearing the future path of enlightenment, where all of us frightened, sub-human, racist conservatives who disagree with you will enter the gates of future societal heaven (and re-education.  For our own good, of course).  Or simply eliminate.  For the good of society, of course.




Excuse me for a minute. 




I have to go puke.




Yeeeeechhh!!




Firm


Since i consider myself left of center on many issues... mind telling me how you apply that tirade to me?

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RE: Are all lefties smug bastards? - 10/27/2010 4:11:51 PM   
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RE: Are all lefties smug bastards? - 10/27/2010 4:12:59 PM   
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RE: Are all lefties smug bastards? - 10/27/2010 4:19:13 PM   
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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 4:21:00 PM   
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Conservatives live in reality. For example, we've already seen the Spanish tv commercials on our English speaking stations. It's only a matter of time before these stations either go all Spanish or put more Spanish programming on than English programming.

We also realize that you can't spend more money than you take in without having long term consequences for future generations. That is a fact. Democrats are only making the Illusionary economy worse for future generations. We will soon be paying half a trillion dollars in interest on the national debt each year. If you divide that up among each state. Each state is losing $10 billion dollars annually, and democrats have no intentions of stopping this financial drain.

Next, it is a fact that Muslim nations do not allow Christianity to flourish in their country, yet they expect us to bow down to them in our country and accept a Mosque on every block in America eventually. Plus, they fully expect to implement Sharia law when enough multiculturalists have taken over the federal court system and will allow it.

Let's talk about ethanol as well. Do you realize that the government is subsidizing ethanol production in America? Ethanol gas would cost over $4 a gallon if it weren't for the subsidies, and in turn, all our grocery prices have gone up about 10% over the past 4 or 5 years because of this. It also increases the use of fertilizers which poison our rivers and the Gulf dead zone.

Liberals dont live in reality.



There is so much crap in this post I dont know where to start, I am just going to reply to two points though.

Firstly your comments about no Muslim Countries allowing Christianity is bull....google Iran, thats just for starters.

Secondly, cant you even do simple maths ? You state food prices have gone up over the past five years yet the Republicans were in power for three of them.

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RE: Is all American conservatism based upon fear? - 10/27/2010 4:23:03 PM   
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RE: Are all lefties smug bastards? - 10/27/2010 4:25:12 PM   
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Since i consider myself left of center on many issues... mind telling me how you apply that tirade to me?



PatrickG38 Post #: 1
Is all American conservatism based upon fear?

Moonhead Post #: 2
No, it isn't.
Some of it's based on racism, or just plain stupidity.

tazzygirl Post #: 3
There is also that group that bases it upon the thickness/thinkness of their wallets alone.

It appears, from the first three post (you were the third poster) that you are agreeing that all conservatives are 1. fearful, 2. racist, 3. plain stupid.  Not to mention the subgroup that are just greedy bastards.

If this is not your position, then you were unclear in your post.

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