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DesFIP -> RE: Masculization (10/29/2010 4:39:14 AM)

I hold doors for people. That doesn't make me masculine, it makes me someone with manners.
If you're talking inside an interpersonal relationship, many fem subs hold the doors for their doms, not in an attempt to defeminize them but to make the point of who serves and who is served.




RavenMuse -> RE: Masculization (10/29/2010 7:12:23 AM)

I've met a fair few male subs and a number of male doms that could do with someone Masculizing them :P




allnewtome -> RE: Masculization (10/29/2010 10:29:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I might see a way to masculinize a slave, but it is gonna get pretty girly regardless, because they are gonna be eating my cock in their brooks brothers suit, ferragamo wingtips, and hermes necktie and watch.

You can quote me



Best reply yet[:D]




OP: I think the feminization work as humiliation because women are "supposed" to be the weaker sex, as in not as physically powerful. I don't think it would work the other way round. Besided I live in mostly jeans, tshirt and boots. Only thing you could do was cut my hair. No way, never, I would kill for less.




DMFParadox -> RE: Masculization (10/31/2010 12:06:14 AM)

You know what? I am doing this. Currently single, but a buddy of mine has a girlfriend I think would be totally down for it. I'll run it past them.

It needs to be a thing. Posse's will be utilized. You just can't act as stupid in a twofer, you need a crowd.

Fuck, I'm getting like excited and shit. This will be epic.




DMFParadox -> RE: Masculization (10/31/2010 12:11:32 AM)

Hehehehehehee....

"No. Open That Door Like YOU HAVE A PAIR!"

bwahahahahaha




Fluke -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 2:13:14 AM)

Ok... I'll be the first one to say it..... WTF....!?

I'm not shy of admitting to being an honest drunk, but this is even beyond MY sense of pale..

Does this topic push one or more of your buttons, DMF?




ranja -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 3:06:23 AM)

i did the Freddie Mercury look from 'i've got to break free', with tache and all... Master Husband could not handle the tache... whimp...




Fluke -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 3:15:15 AM)

Urban dictionary defines tache as
"Home Schooled. Conservative. Large families, 15 or more children. Often seen carrying swords, violins, or younger siblings. Most often in the southern states."
For some reason this does not compute.
Excuse my foreignness , but have I really screwed up here..?

And, please do forget any valid point I ever might have made.....!




DMFParadox -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 3:58:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fluke

Ok... I'll be the first one to say it..... WTF....!?

I'm not shy of admitting to being an honest drunk, but this is even beyond MY sense of pale..

Does this topic push one or more of your buttons, DMF?


Nah. Just think about it.

You've got a group of like 3 or 4 guys, and one girl dressed as a guy. We take her out to hit the strip. Hooting and hollering. All the men are getting her to act as manly as possible. Offering bad advice as fast as they can come up with it.

Can you see what kind of scene that would make?

Great way to meet more girls. Great way for a girl to meet more guys. By the time we're heading back to the house I guarantee you I'll have rounded up a damned mardi gras parade for this girl. Great way to introduce the idea of BDSM - I mean, if this is what D's do, they can't be all bad. Great way to tear up a night. Stories to last forever.

And when it's over, hopefully she'll have more perspective on my own actions. And her frat-boy jokes won't have as much heat.

I think this concept is a great way to make women appreciate what they've got a lot more, too.

And.

It'd be fun as hell, that's all.




kiwisub12 -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 4:00:23 AM)

hehe - i think the poster meant to say 'stache  -  as in- mustache.




Fluke -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 4:26:05 AM)

Ok, I'll just take this topic and replies as one more incentive to stay the hell away from the forums, and just dig myself a nice big hole to disappear in.

I want to say that It'll be a long time before you ever hear from me again, but knowing myself I know that I'll voice my opinion on the next topic that interests me.
I guess I'm just stupid like that.. :)




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 7:44:53 AM)

Yeah, he really said that.




Kana -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 7:55:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tinkerer
Masters: Would you ever consider masculizing your submissive? I'm not talking about making a permanent changes here, but things like taking away her make-up; wrapping her breasts and having her wear male or neutral style clothing, having her do some strength training, getting a short haircut, etc...



Nada. I like a woman who knows how to be a woman. Hell, I love gals, females,women. I adore the fact they are not men. I like their shape. I like their scent. I like their femininity. I like listening to their screams.
It wouldn't even cross my mind. Not that it's a bad thing, it's just not my kink. And I am pretty damn certain it ain't hers either(She likes shoes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much-winks.).
That said, should I ever deem to desire such a transformation, I would expect her to comply with the same grace and joy she employs when I have her do things she enjoys doing (Like snuggle).
After all, she's a slave. That's the freaking point of her existence in my life.




LadyPact -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 12:39:48 PM)

quote:

Mistresses: Do you or have any of you considered masculizing your (male) submissive? Do you encourage or control aspects of his life at times to make him more manly (and probably more attractive) to you? What sort of things have you done, and how well did they work out?

Being a straight female Dominant, I'm only attracted to male subs that I perceive as masculine.  This is why I'm incompatible with anyone who is expressing their feminine side via CD/TV/TG.  I don't want anybody that I have to man them up.  If that was the situation, I wouldn't want him in the first place.




MaamJay -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 7:49:49 PM)

It's an interesting topic, because it highlights the imbalance in the way bdsm is expressed between the genders! I am wryly amused at the fems who wouldn't submit to getting their hair cut short for example! Is that the depth of their submission?? Or maybe it's an indication they found the right D partner who wouldn't ask this of them.

Whilst I am attracted to manly subs, I could see Myself helping to spruce up the odd one here and there. However, it is ironical that the only fem sub I was involved with was lesbian and I put My effort into trying to feminise her a bit! If I am going to have a girl, then I want her to BE a girl.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]




Nineveh -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 8:55:28 PM)

Hair is a touchy thing for women.  I have spoken with women who were willing to let me brand their faces, cut off their clits, and pierce them all over, but they wouldn't consider having their heads shaved.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 9:40:24 PM)

There's some that do. Not all girls are polite girly girls with manners.
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Boys practice belching the alphabet, girls don't.





RedBottomGirl26 -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 10:26:41 PM)

quote:

Female Bottoms: What are your thoughts on being masculi[ni]zed? If someone did the aforementioned things to you, would you find it to be an interesting experience; an experiment to see how the other gender experiences society? Would you be afraid of loosing your identity as a woman?


hmm, I can't speak from the male Dom/Master side, nor can I of the male sub. However, I will at least indulge in the female bottom side. Well, alot of men think most of the women are much too masculine (such as most women do wear jeans nowadays, or slacks of some kind, even if they are blue or pink, or purple, or even if they are more shapely than male jeans, & most women will opt for a dress shirt rather than a dress or skirt, unless they are going on a date. I think there it's mostly about comfort, rather than trying to appeal to the masculine or feminine side. Being feminine is more an attitude than a fashion statement I think). I'd probably let someone at least do this once if they really wanted me to, yet...I might also be curious to the experience myself, since I've never really attempted or tried it (like many, I have long hair myself, and of course, I think I would look just ugly, and my face rounder with short hair, I just don't think I'd look right, though you know it will always grow out again once you cut it, but there I think it's just the time it takes to re-grow it is annoying, but so is taking care of long hair too, but many consider it worth it, since you have to take great pains to maintain it. There are plenty of metal head men, and hippies who have long hair, or just men who think long hair is sexy and wild (and that it is, I kind of like long hair on some men, but it doesn't look right on everyone, kind of depends on the person's face and attitude).

Anyway, it might be a nice expercise in viewing "the other side", but... some ppl say I'm not girly enough as it is, so perhaps I would be afraid if I ever tried to be more masculine, that indeed people would think less of me for the experimentation & such, but actors get away w/ trying different parts all the time, and very few ppl think less of them because they are on a stage. Though, that's not always true, once I went to a play where two men kissed on stage, & there were some college (stupid biggoted idiots) in the crowd, who just couldn't stand the fact of two men kissing, it repulsed them too much, thus displaying the few times you play with gender roles, obviously you're going to offend someone who doesn't like it or understand the reasoning behind it. In fact, I do agree that there are so many men willing to being feminized, but so few women willing to be masculinized. Perhaps, if more people would be open to different ideas and topics, there really wouldn't be as much biggotry and hate in the world as there is.

There's no shame in finding out who you are, or who others are, there is only shame in truly limiting your options so much that you can't see past anything (that you can't see anything good in being different, or taking a different stance at times). I just know that I'd probably be a little more open to it than others, as long as a few factors existed (one: the hair thing, now if I was really in true love with a Dom, I think I certainly would cut my hair for him, but since I've never known true love, I doubt things will ever come to that, and two...if he wasn't masculinizing me only to humiliate me, but b/c he would be excited to do so, and that he knows it's more about experimenting and exploring, rather than just debasing me (I have a real problem w/ the topic of humilation in general I guess, b/c it seems to be used for more evil than good in my view).




MissAnimus -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 11:02:36 PM)

My name is a big tip-off. [:D]

I am attracted to the characteristics of my male sub that many people would label feminine. At the same time, I have occasionally asked or directed my sub to be more masculine (in appearance or attitude) in public and in bed.

On the flip side of the coin, I love tinkering with the way I present myself. A few years ago I liked to wear clothing that reflected the [social] dominance and power I felt. Naturally, men's clothing was great for this. I'd strut my stuff in ties, well tailored suits, and the occasional hat. I'd draw attention to myself by borrowing habits that are typically considered male. Sick of being told "how a woman is supposed to behave" I copied the behavior of peacocking frat boys and found it a useful way to attract the sort of subs I like- they were attracted to my confidence. Growing up my father and I would have belching contests on Sundays after church despite the horrified protests of my mother. Thanks to my father I can burp on command. It's an immensely satisfying and useful skill. I still borrow from my mental "male bag of tricks" today. I often ask myself what a man would do in my situation. Then I do it. It's worked wonders, especially at work. I suppose I'm a mistress who voluntarily masculinizes herself. I'm not trying to be a man but the boobs, sky high heels, and a chocolate addiction make that pretty clear. I just find it entertaining, useful, and interesting to screw with our gender stereotypes.

I am often confronted by male subs who want to be feminized as a form of humiliation play. I'm insulted  by the idea that to be a woman is to be inferior and therefore humiliating. My response is to humiliate them for being a man. I pick on the physical attributes that identify them as male and attack their mannerisms. I certainly don't think it's humiliating to be a man. Instead, I'm trying to shine a light on the misguided logic of the male subs who approach me this way. It doesn't work.  But it makes me feel better and it's a chance to be creative. In real life it's spawned some interesting scenes and a fantasy about a lumberjack but that's a new topic...






Awareness -> RE: Masculization (11/1/2010 11:21:36 PM)

  No.

Then again, I believe D/s is inherently gender based anyway.  Which doesn't jive with the predominant modes of thought around such things, but I'm hardly bothered by that.

There's no upside to reducing the sexual polarity between myself and my sub.  She's feminine, she's submissive, ergo the more feminine she becomes, the more submissive she becomes.  She feels it and I feel it.





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