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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 8:14:52 AM

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When you took your driving test to get your license, they did tell you that coming to a complete stop included staying stopped for a certain amount of time. Instructors say anywhere between 4-6 seconds is adequate for a full stop, anything less than that and you do not have time to stop and check to make sure it is clear before moving again. Granted it might have been a while since you got your license, but when you took your driving test it should have been mentioned, and if not it should have been in the written materials. Lesson learned, now you know better than to step for less than a count of 5, and the people behind you will ot be seriously impeded for 5 seconds. Impeding traffic would be to park in the lane, or stop to let someone out or have a conversation when there are cars behind you.

For most states, the suspension stays on your record for 7 years. When I got mine suspended for a hit and skip, they said 7 years. I hit someone in the parkinglot, pulling into a spot. Swapped some paint with their bumper, and was leaving a note on their windshield with contact information when a woman came out of the restaurant I was in front of and talked with me. She said not to worry about it, they were getting ready to paint the car anyway and it wouldnt make a difference. Problem is, it wasnt her car, but I didnt know that she didnt have the right to excuse it. I got home and was having dinner when the police called me and told me a cop would be visiting. I explained that she told me not to worry about it, and he said she was not related to the owner, she thought it was her car when in reality she was parked another spot over. The judge suspended my license, because he had to to keep the owner of the car from suing me, but he only made it for half the time because I tried to do the right thing but was misled. Still sat on my record for 7 years and made trouble for my insurance and all that. Glad thats finally gone.

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 9:03:58 AM

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She's lucky all she got was failure to come to a complete stop, he could have written it as reckless endangerment since it was in a school zone. You need to stop for four seconds at a stop sign. There is no excuse for driving anything less than very carefully in a school zone. I'm sure the cars behind her would have preferred she stop for four seconds than hit a child, who could well have been one of theirs.

So now you're assuming I was driving recklessly and endangering children in a school zone? May I ask how you came to that outrageous conclusion? When I drive by a school that is letting out and there are children everywhere, I ALWAYS drive less than 10 MPH, which is way under the 20 MPH speed limit. The days I received those tickets were no different. I agree that there is no excuse for driving anything less than very carefully in a school zone. I fail to see how remaining stopped for 2 seconds as opposed to 4 seconds is reckless driving when a driver is watching closely for children and driving under 10 MPH. The speeding tickets that WERE MY FAULT I received for speeding on a highway and NOWHERE NEAR A SCHOOL OR SCHOOL ZONE. I've NEVER received a speeding ticket in a school zone.

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 9:10:58 AM

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I fail to see how remaining stopped for 2 seconds as opposed to 4 seconds is reckless driving when a driver is watching closely for children and driving under 10 MPH.

DBG - if the law says that you have to stop for 4 seconds and you didn't then you were at fault

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 9:11:52 AM

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The light was green at the time I pulled out in the middle of the intersection which is perfectly legal to do.

I don't know about the states, but in most jurisdictions its illegal to enter an intersection unless you can also exit it....its not "perfectly legal" to pull into an intersection and then wait for traffic to allow you to make your turn....so sorry

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 9:33:58 AM

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This is why- I wont get a drivers license.

The hassle of it all.

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 9:48:48 AM

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And you didn't learn after the first time?

I didn't mention it to my ex until after I got the second ticket. The officer didn't tell me I didn't remain stopped for long enough. He told me I didn't stop at all when I did. My ex, not the cop told me radar guns are slow.[/color]

you decide it was more important for you to not hang up traffic, than obey the law?

Blocking traffic isn't against the law?
What I am reading is that it wasn't really your fault.
You weren't responsible.

[color=#FF0000]FACT: I was accused of not completely stopping. FACT: My vehicle completely stopped moving. The reason why you didn't learn the first time, is because you didn't accept responsibility for it.

See comment above as well as post specifically stating I do accept responsibility for the speeding tickets I got on the highway that were nowhere near a school or school zone. Also, see the post stating I have gotten zero driving violations for the last two and a half years.

Whether that is because you won't or can't, I don't know, but I'm beginning to believe it is because you just aren't capable.

Now that is flat out rude and uncalled for. Please don't take lessons from Miss Narcissist. You're better than that.

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 10:17:33 AM

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He told me I didn't stop at all when I did.

I don't think cops use radar guns to figure out if you stopped. They just count it out, watching to see if your car is still moving. The cop probably thought you did what's called a "rolling stop". The driver slows down, but doesn't really stop stop. Kind of a cheat. That's why the 4 second rule, or whatever it is, is needed, to make sure a rolling stop isn't possible.

This reminds me: Years ago I was in a jury pool for a traffic violation trial (Hey DS, this was in Boulder county). When the lawyer for the defense asked the potential jurors, "Who here hasn't ever gotten a ticket?", I was the only one who raised her hand. I was booted off the jury. Evidently, I was too law-abiding! Still makes me laugh!

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 10:41:39 AM

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I just can't understand what a radar gun would have to do with coming to a full stop or not. Am i just doozy today? Which would be no different than most days.

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 10:49:30 AM

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DBG - if the law says that you have to stop for 4 seconds and you didn't then you were at fault

The cop didn't say I wasn't stopped for long enough. He said I didn't stop at all. I've seen alot of people remain at a complete stop for 2-3 seconds and I can always tell they are completely stopped. Several other cars I saw were driving faster than I was when they had clearence to go and didn't seem to be watching the children very closely. They didn't get pulled over and I was being alot more careful than they were.

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 11:20:11 AM

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You must really get off on it.

Don't kid yourself. I can't think of a single situation where you might be involved where getting off would be even a remote possibility.

You failed to meed the requirements for coming to a complete stop. Twice. But it's still not your fault. You made a left turn on red because you pulled into an intersection that wasn't clear and blocked it. But that wasn't your fault either. The radar gun is irrelevant since they don't use radar to determine if someone runs a light or a stop sign. It's a minor miracle that you admitted that you were actually guilty of speeding when you got those tickets.

Baby steps, I suppose.

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 11:22:02 AM

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I don't think cops use radar guns to figure out if you stopped. They just count it out, watching to see if your car is still moving. The cop probably thought you did what's called a "rolling stop". The driver slows down, but doesn't really stop stop. Kind of a cheat.

If there had been someone in the car with me, he never would have gotten away with it. I came to a very obvious complete stop. The second time around, I made it even more obvious (this was before I even mentioned it to my ex) by counting to five. He still nailed me with the same false accusation. I think he was just trying to make his quota and was still pissed at me for proclaiming my innocence when he wrote the first ticket. It wouldn't surprise me if he deliberately used his radar gun on the wrong car. If a cop wants to write someone a ticket, they're going to whether the person is guilty or not. Congrats on never getting a traffic ticket. Getting kicked off a jury for it is pretty amusing.

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 11:52:38 AM

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OP, go to Secretary of State and get a copy of your driving record. In Michigan it costs $7 and they give the printout to you right away. Points usually stay for 2 years on your driving record for regular infractions and after 3 years they completely disappear from your record. DUI and other misdemeanors stay for, I believe, 7 years on your record.

I don't know if suspension qualifies as an infraction in itself. It is a punishment for something else, so that something else probably will appear on your record.

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Last time I got a speeding ticket- I continued to drive fast- so as to get my monies worth for that ticket.

That's the way I always saw it too - I paid for it, so now I don't owe anybody anything and I can keep on driving like as if I had a clean record. Now, if I would ever get a warning instead of a ticket...but that's not going to happen.

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 12:01:38 PM

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I live in Canada, Ontario to be exact, I've knon plenty of police officers personally and my dad was an auxiliary for the OPP for many years. There is no such thing as a "quota", here at least, regardless of what people think.

And you've been given countless advice on how to go about finding out how long this stays on your record. So instead of arguing with everyone else, why not just check out the options you were given and forget about the thread? It will eventually die a natural death and will go further down the list.

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 12:12:19 PM

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There's no point in fighting it when it's one person's word against a cop.

There is a point. It does not cost you much more in terms of inconvenience and money to try to fight a ticket, but the benefits are you can achieved can be very good.

First of all, after you notify the court that you indent to settle the ticket in court, one of two things can happen:
1. Court sets a meeting for you with a DA (as opposed a hearing with a judge), who will try to settle the ticket without a hearing (it saves them money). You might either completely get out of the ticket or pay some "parking" fine and not get the real ticket on your record. If you cannot agree with that DA on terms of the settlement, you just move on to informal hearing (no lawyers).

2. Informal (or formal if you want a lawyer) hearing with a judge. You tell your story and cop tells his. If you can bring some photographs and make your story sound better - do it. In the end it is hard to fight cop's word, but it is doable. Judge can also alter the offense and turn it into a "parking ticket", i.e. you get no points, or just reduce the amount of your fine. In the best case scenario, your cop just does not show up (it happened to me twice already) and your case gets dismissed completely - no fines and no ticket.

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 12:17:55 PM

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I live in Canada, Ontario to be exact, I've knon plenty of police officers personally and my dad was an auxiliary for the OPP for many years. There is no such thing as a "quota", here at least, regardless of what people think.
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There is no quota per se, but there is another thing that is called "hey buddy, you need to step up your work, since all other cops in the department are writing way more tickets than you do".

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 1:25:46 PM

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DBG - if the law says that you have to stop for 4 seconds and you didn't then you were at fault

The cop didn't say I wasn't stopped for long enough. He said I didn't stop at all. I've seen alot of people remain at a complete stop for 2-3 seconds and I can always tell they are completely stopped. Several other cars I saw were driving faster than I was when they had clearence to go and didn't seem to be watching the children very closely. They didn't get pulled over and I was being alot more careful than they were.

OP, if others were driving faster and less carefully than you, why do you think you were singled out to get the ticket?

Edited for a funny typo.

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 1:56:09 PM

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By any chance were you on your cell phone at the time? Because cops will ticket people for other offenses if the driver looks distracted.

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 6:28:46 PM

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There is no legal amount of time to stop. I was ticketed for not coming to a complete stop when I did come to a complete stop.

There is. Four seconds at the stop sign looking for traffic after you come to a complete stop. And radar guns are typically recalibrated yearly so no, they aren't wrong.

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/1/2010 6:48:51 PM

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i never knew a radar guns used in stopping violations. But they look to see if the car has made a complete stop. They recommend stopping for 4-10 seconds because many people don't stop completely but there isn't a law that i can find that states a driver MUST stop for a certain amount of seconds.

However, i am looking at the laws online, can someone cite something that actually states you have to stop for a certain length of time. Even when i was in driving school a couple years ago, they didn't say that its a law you stop for a specific minimum of seconds but because yu have to come to a complete stop, they recommend it.

I've never known radars used for stop signs. And i never heard it say that the law indicates a specific amount of time you have to stop. However, many people don't come to complete stops and feel that the tap on the breaks and the car pausing is a complete stop.

But i haven't *knock on wood* been stopped in a long time for traffic violations. So cites would be helpful and i may learn something new lol.

Thanks, angel

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RE: prior drivers license suspension - 11/2/2010 1:58:08 AM

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However, i am looking at the laws online, can someone cite something that actually states you have to stop for a certain length of time.

Hi Angel....I used my google fu powers and found a link discussing Californian law. I know here in Australia we have to stop for x amount of seconds and it is generally a question when we go for our initial learners licence

Limit Line Compliance A California motorist must come to a complete stop for a minimum of 3 seconds before continuing past a limit line

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