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slvemike4u -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/3/2010 2:39:39 PM)

It just comes natural to you doesn't it?



EternalHoH -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/3/2010 2:42:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Businesses pay taxes and have every right to engage in the political process.




Well, if non-citizens who pay taxes is your only litmus test for participation, then illegal aliens who pay taxes should have the opportunity to engage the political process, too, right?



There are plenty of citizens who paid taxes, but are unable to participate in the political process because of a run-in with the law.

If we held the corporations to the same standards, most businesses would be ineligible to participate in the political process, too, regardless of their taxes-paid status.







truckinslave -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/3/2010 3:08:00 PM)

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comments about the results


I am sooooo glad that Talibalan Grayson lost as hugely as he did (biggest margin of defeat in the entire House??)

CBS comments on Palins success as kingmaker and opines that her influence continues to rise.

The magnitude of the victory is not fully understood by many. We took numerous state house and governorships just in time to control redistricting, which should give us an institutional advantage in the House for a decade. Further irony is that, although Ca elected Moonbeam and thus would have had a Dim in control of redistricting over 10% of the House, they also passed a referendum requiring the complicated establishment of an independent board to do redistricting. The referendum also limits the criteria to be used, etc etc. Reps will pick up, not lose, opportunities in Ca.

This is the first time in ... 75 years?... that there have been fewer than 200 Dims in the House.

Just in time for the ethics trials of Waters and Rangel. Wouldn't you love to hear them, drunk, discuss what they think of NancyFran and 0bama0 in terms of losing the House?

Half the Dim caucus in the Senate (well, 24, anyway. I'm hoping for party-switchers [:D]) is up for reelection in 2012. Many of those are from red/purple states; several were first elected in the Dim wave of 2006. Those who like their job are calculating just how far right they need to swing. My guess is that several are speculating on how beneficial it would be to be able to claim that they voted for, I dunno, a dozen major pieces of legislation vetoed by 0bama0. Reid ain't gonna be able to herd the cats.

The House will shred Justice over the NBPP travesty.

0bama0 is who and what he is. I for one give him the strength of his convictions, and fully expect him to double down on stupid (i.e. "progressive"). No spineless BC, he will go down with his ship.

I am even happier for the victory of Alan West than the defeat of Talibalan Grayson. This was the good man cashiered from the Army for- horrors!!!!- scaring a captured Taliban. I think he has further upward potential.

The Tea Party candidates elected will swing the entire Senate way to the right. Hell, even the RINO of RINOs, McCain, appears to have goten the message. He should go on Survivor, maybe as a coach of some sort, or as host, if not as a contestant.

Bristol Palin survived her vote. I am verrry happy for the Palins.

0bama0 doesn't get it. He thinks it's all the economy.

Soooo much good news, so little time. Tempus fugit, and work beckons.

Selah.



truckinslave -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/3/2010 3:09:53 PM)

"It" comes natural to 0bama0. I just quoted him. All about the irony, n'est ce pas?



FirmhandKY -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/3/2010 3:12:13 PM)

Well thought out post truckin.

Those courses of action seem to be some of the more likely sequence of events, although there are others.

Firm



EternalHoH -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/3/2010 3:33:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

The magnitude of the victory is not fully understood by many. We took numerous state house and governorships just in time to control redistricting, which should give us an institutional advantage in the House for a decade.




In the present and foreseeable economic times, I think the act of redistricting does not give you the assurance you think it does.  With foreclosures at an all time high, there is much more physical movement by the populace that would not normally occur in other more prosperous times. Redistricting only works to your advantage when your population is somewhat stationary.

You can re-draw the lines all you want, but they become instantly porous in bad economic times.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/3/2010 7:48:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I'm gonna go back and be pissed because Sink just conceded and she should have won by a landslide. Instead, that fuckin crook is taking the governor's office because he has more personal wealth. The sheep of Florida have allowed for their votes to be bought...again.

Where's cucky so I can laugh at him? What was that about taking the House AND the Senate?....

Bye bye Bush tax cuts.


Bye bye? rofl. How clueless are you? The Bush tax cuts were already on their way to be extended, at least for all but the top two brackets and probably for all. There was plenty of Democrat support for extending them before now.

You also seem to think that not taking control of the Senate is some sort of failure. With 46 or 47 seats and a huge number of Dem seats at risk in 2012, absolute control in numbers wasnt needed. Reid's ability to bribe RINOs is over.



Charles6682 -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/4/2010 1:14:42 AM)

Well said,I agree.I can't believe Rick Scott basically stole the Flordia Governor's Mansion.Alex Sink would have been a better Governor than this fraud anyday.I am moving back to my hometown of Rocheser,NY.Sadly,it's FloriDUH all over again.I still love New York.


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truckinslave -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/4/2010 5:42:26 AM)

Putting two- or more- incumbent dims into the same new district will probably work as well as it ever did. The population may move. Nothing is permanent. Including Congressional minorities, but I'll take all the help I can get.



mnottertail -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/4/2010 5:47:35 AM)

HARDLY.   I agree the nutsuckers will flout some gerrymandering, but they will not go so far as to find themselves constantly in court in every district.



truckinslave -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/4/2010 6:26:44 AM)

republicans are going to be in court regardless.
I'm still mad at dims for getting fid of Bob Barr this exact way.



BoiJen -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/4/2010 6:52:50 AM)

See? I liked Bob Barr...well, at least after he did some position reversals to reflect the values of a true Libertarian. I'd vote for Bob Barr for President.



truckinslave -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/4/2010 7:40:03 AM)

Part of the fun of this place is finding unexpected agreement. Thanks.
Barr was probably the strongest 2nd Amendment advocate the House had in my lifetime.



DomYngBlk -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/4/2010 7:48:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Businesses pay taxes and have every right to engage in the political process.


So businesses are citizens? Should businesses therefore have a vote?



CreativeDominant -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/4/2010 8:01:38 AM)

Businesses are owned/operated by people who DO have a vote.  Businesses do not pay taxes, the people who OWN those businesses pay taxes.  And they have a right to vote and have their concerns heard.



DomYngBlk -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/4/2010 8:03:07 AM)

Nicely nuanced but that isn't what servant said. Nor is that what the Supreme Court said.



DarkSteven -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/4/2010 8:03:55 AM)

Businesses most certainly DO pay taxes.  At least corporations do.  Sole props and partnerships do not because they are indistinguishable from the people forming them.IIRC LLCs are taxed just like sole props.



mnottertail -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/4/2010 8:08:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Businesses are owned/operated by people who DO have a vote.  Businesses do not pay taxes, the people who OWN those businesses pay taxes.  And they have a right to vote and have their concerns heard.



But since that money would accrue to me as a shareholder and therefore a financier of that business, I FIND IT DEPLORABLE and COMMUNISTIC that they spend it on top managements candidate of choice (even if its mine, which rarely it is) rather than putting it to my bottom line and allowing me to do as I wish with it, and support who I will with it.    



BoiJen -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/4/2010 8:09:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Part of the fun of this place is finding unexpected agreement. Thanks.
Barr was probably the strongest 2nd Amendment advocate the House had in my lifetime.


First, Bob Barr is a hometown guy for me, so he has that favor to begin with.

Secondly, Barr did a great job listening to voters he represented and changing his positions to reflect that of the people he did represent rather than forging head long agreement with the party he ran under, no matter what people wanted, forcing people to vote for the lesser of two evils. Barr, in his flexibility and openness to changing his positions, was able to be the politician we, as Americans, dream of-the guy who is willing to take the hit and stand up for the changing needs of America. With Democrats and Republicans all I see, currently, is rigidness stuck on ideals under the platforms they run under and no room for individuals or independent examination of the changing needs of Americans-from social policies to financial ones.

Third, the man was willing to apologize for creating road blocks in the way of social progress in a real way. When his positions changed around medical cannabis, even though it was his own bill that prevented Federal legalization of medical cannabis, he lobbied for and actively took a role in attempting to change his own legislation. He not only apologized for creating the legislation that prevented forward movement, he DID something about it. VERY few politicians are even willing to openly acknowledge their mistakes unless a camera catches them in a bathroom stall, much less DO something about those mistakes.

If Barr were to run again, I'd vote for him...again.

boi



DomYngBlk -> RE: Election Results and Rants - Comments (11/4/2010 8:13:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Businesses most certainly DO pay taxes.  At least corporations do.  Sole props and partnerships do not because they are indistinguishable from the people forming them.IIRC LLCs are taxed just like sole props.



Think he was meaning the people the OWN the businesses pay the taxes not the Business entity itself.....



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