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RE: Why it is always my fault. - 11/10/2010 8:59:36 PM   
Nineveh


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Were you by chance raised Catholic, OP?

I share your perspective in this. But less because I'm a 'dominant', and more because I'm just so much more damned aware than most people that I instinctively assume I could have headed things off if I'd been paying just a little more attention.

And like a lot of people have said, that's totally egotistical. It may be true, but it is serious fuckin' head-trip time. Like... beyond the fucking pale with the self-importance, here... so far beyond the pale that shit flipped around and got colorful again, left the pale gasping in exertion. It even made this lame-ass metaphor colorful in passing, that's how far beyond the pale my ego is.



Nope, Pagan actually.

And yes, it is incredibly egotistical, that is part of the point.  it is an intentional assumption of extreme arrogance.  Tempered with the knowledge that it is complete nonsense and is taken on partly purely to get into that arrogant I own the world attitude that helps me to be in proper Domspace.

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RE: Why it is always my fault. - 11/11/2010 7:56:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nineveh

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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

Were you by chance raised Catholic, OP?

I share your perspective in this. But less because I'm a 'dominant', and more because I'm just so much more damned aware than most people that I instinctively assume I could have headed things off if I'd been paying just a little more attention.

And like a lot of people have said, that's totally egotistical. It may be true, but it is serious fuckin' head-trip time. Like... beyond the fucking pale with the self-importance, here... so far beyond the pale that shit flipped around and got colorful again, left the pale gasping in exertion. It even made this lame-ass metaphor colorful in passing, that's how far beyond the pale my ego is.



Nope, Pagan actually.

And yes, it is incredibly egotistical, that is part of the point.  it is an intentional assumption of extreme arrogance.  Tempered with the knowledge that it is complete nonsense and is taken on partly purely to get into that arrogant I own the world attitude that helps me to be in proper Domspace.



So pretty much the same as my approach. I feel you, bro.



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RE: Why it is always my fault. - 11/11/2010 11:37:43 AM   
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I don't see much wrong with it. If that's how you are comfortable or it's the way in which you operate, fine.

Even egos slightly out of kilter aren't a BIG deal if you have a fairly steady rudder overall.

You have a handle on it and understand it.

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RE: Why it is always my fault. - 11/11/2010 11:46:43 AM   
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No shit.  I was so used to hearing "the houseboy did it" that I got into the habit of lowering my drawers anytime ANYONE did anything wrong, even if I wasn't even there.  I''ll be more than happy to blame someone else for things that I should be held accountable for.

I've always believed each person is responsible for their own actions, and should be held accountable accordingly, regardless of their title or social status.

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RE: Why it is always my fault. - 11/11/2010 11:52:04 AM   
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I take responsibility for things which are my fault, but won't take responsibilities for things which are not. And there are things which are definitely not. 

If I take responsibility for something which is not my fault, I feel that this weakens my position, that I'm giving away my power, and that I'm also enabling the person who's truly at fault to continue to be weak as well by not allowing then to accept responsibility for their actions in the matter. Many times both are at fault, and in this case, it's time for each party to own what belongs to them.  I think that trying to own something that belongs to someone else is just taking on excess baggage, and doesn't do the other person any favours either.


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RE: Why it is always my fault. - 11/11/2010 12:10:49 PM   
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I take responsibility for things which are my fault, but won't take responsibilities for things which are not. And there are things which are definitely not. 

If I take responsibility for something which is not my fault, I feel that this weakens my position, that I'm giving away my power, and that I'm also enabling the person who's truly at fault to continue to be weak as well by not allowing then to accept responsibility for their actions in the matter. Many times both are at fault, and in this case, it's time for each party to own what belongs to them.  I think that trying to own something that belongs to someone else is just taking on excess baggage, and doesn't do the other person any favours either.



I agree with this, -except- that for an individual in a position as a HoH, even if an individual event is someone else's -fault- (for example, the table servant spilled the soup on a guest while serving), it is STILL my -responsibility-. I may not have spilled the soup, and it certainly isn't my fault that the guest is dressed in Tomato Bisque, but it -is- my responsibility to assure that my servants have the skills and environment to put out their best efforts, so in that vein, accepting responsibility for what IS mine to carry means that I have to ask the tough questions...

  • Why did the servant spill the soup? Was it a lapse in training? was there something on the floor that hir foot caught on? did xhe have too many things on hir tray? was xhe being rushed through hir service? was xhe intentionally clumsy in a play for attention?...
  • What can be done to minimize the chances that such things happening in the future? Improved training? re-assessing the floor coverings in the dining area? Having someone go in to sweep before the meal is served? have someone review the loads and balance on the servant's trays prior to sending them out of the kitchen? schedule events to allow for sufficient time for courses to be served and people to not be excessively hungry or short of time while the meal is in progress? address behavioural issues/neediness before it shows up in inappropriate behavior while a servant is serving?...
See, it isn't so simple as "this wasn't my fault" when one runs a household. In our home, the buck ALWAYS stops with me. No matter who commits the action, in the end, I am the one who answers for that action in the repercussions on my home.

On those terms, accepting responsibility for finding the root cause of mistakes, problems, and inconsistencies does -not- display a -weakness-, in my opinion, but displays a strength-of-leadership that encourages those around me to both trust in my capacity to lead, and to rise to the standards of the household in their own service. I am the model upon which my servants will base the importance that I place in those standards that I set. If I hold myself to high standard, they will resent much less that they, too, are held to high standard... and it has been my experience that the servant, also, rises to higher standard on hir own impetus when it is clear that the -leadership- is serious about taking responsibility as well.

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RE: Why it is always my fault. - 11/11/2010 12:19:18 PM   
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I felt that way, that I had to fix everything and everyone.
But hopefully you've figured out you can lead asshat to waters, but you can't make them think, OR say thank you.
Some people, straight, dom or sub, are too dumb or evil to do what's right, and some personality disorders enjoy fucking up. Some people can't be fixed, and some people love being broken, and some people just LOVE complaining about it. Just make sure you're not one of them.

And this is coming from a Canadian, who says 'Sorry' if someone bumps into me.

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RE: Why it is always my fault. - 11/11/2010 1:24:38 PM   
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I felt that way, that I had to fix everything and everyone.
But hopefully you've figured out you can lead asshat to waters, but you can't make them think, OR say thank you.
Some people, straight, dom or sub, are too dumb or evil to do what's right, and some personality disorders enjoy fucking up. Some people can't be fixed, and some people love being broken, and some people just LOVE complaining about it. Just make sure you're not one of them.

And this is coming from a Canadian, who says 'Sorry' if someone bumps into me.



This I know, and there are times that the proper, responsible thing to do is divest myself of someone who I no longer wish to be responsible for.

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RE: Why it is always my fault. - 11/11/2010 1:41:58 PM   
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And this is coming from a Canadian, who says 'Sorry' if someone bumps into me.


Hey, me too!

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RE: Why it is always my fault. - 11/11/2010 1:56:21 PM   
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And this is coming from a Canadian, who says 'Sorry' if someone bumps into me.



In the UK we say *sorry* too. But it's common knowledge that we actually mean * Are you blind, you utter twit?*:)

agirl

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