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EternalHoH -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/9/2010 1:08:10 PM)

I see from the comments that "reneging Rand" has been thrown under the bus already.






rulemylife -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/9/2010 3:52:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
That's no excuse.
When will the Republicans own it?

My reply to this bit of wisdom.



Mr. T is still alive?

I pity the fool.




Politesub53 -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/9/2010 4:10:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Don't count on it. The voters nationwide sent a very clear message to the politicians last Tuesday. The tea party candidates will just be getting started.


Nice job on avoiding the facts stated in the OP.




servantforuse -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/9/2010 4:53:11 PM)

The OP asked a question. Tea party over ? I just said no, don't count on it.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/9/2010 4:56:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I clearly gave you an answer and it was agreed with by a couple and even quoted in another thread.

Exception noted, Ron.

I was sayin' it along the same lines as lucy was a askin' it. [:)]

Firm




Politesub53 -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/9/2010 4:58:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The OP asked a question. Tea party over ? I just said no, don't count on it.


True, but you ignored the point that one tea party candidate has already changed his tune. Since they are almost all republicans anyway, how many more will follow suit ?




servantforuse -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/9/2010 5:02:21 PM)

They are sworn into office in January. Lets at least wait until they take office to critisize.




slvemike4u -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/9/2010 5:29:11 PM)

If only you had granted President -elect Obama the same curtesy ?...yanno,you just might have had the standing to request that...but you didn't so, fuck it we l(lucy, et al)will  just keep ansking the questions.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/9/2010 5:45:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EternalHoH

From the Wall St Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704353504575596591626268782.html

"Rand Paul comes with softer edges than his father, Ron Paul, who first won a seat in Congress in 1976. The difference was apparent on election night. At the convention hall next to the Holiday Inn, here in Mr. Paul's hometown, Rep. Paul introduced his son by Skype, hailing him as a politician "who stands for something" and is supported by a movement that is vigorous because "it is outside the party." No note of compromise with the Republican establishment there.

Father, and son, age 47, have different styles. Asked what he wanted to do in Washington in a Wednesday morning television interview, the senator-elect said that his kids were hoping to meet the Obama girls. He has made other concessions to the mainstream. He now avoids his dad's talk of shuttering the Federal Reserve and abolishing the income tax. In a bigger shift from his campaign pledge to end earmarks, he tells me that they are a bad "symbol" of easy spending but that he will fight for Kentucky's share of earmarks and federal pork, as long as it's doled out transparently at the committee level and not parachuted in in the dead of night. "I will advocate for Kentucky's interests," he says."


Here's the actual interview on the subject:

Question: What if someone comes to you and says here’s an earmark, mind turning a blind eye to this?

Mr. Paul: The earmarks are a really small percentage of the budget but I think they symbolize a lot of the waste and I think we shouldn’t do it. I tell people and told people throughout the primaries as well as the general election that I will advocate for Kentucky’s interests. There are money that will be spent in Kentucky. But I will advocate in the committee process. And I think that’s the way it should be done. Roads, highways, bridges, things that we need as far as infrastructure, let’s go through the committee process, find out, when was this bridge last repaired? How much of a problem is it? Are there fatalities on this road that’s not wide enough? Let’s use objective evidence to figure out, you know, where the money should be spent. But not put it on in the dead of night, have some clerk in your office stick it on because you’re powerful and you stick it on, and you attach your name to it.

Q: So if Roy Blunt calls you up, tells you, ‘hey, I want to get this bridge built in southern Missouri’?

Mr. Paul: I think we can do it if I’m on the transportation committee, we discuss it and we find out his bridge is more important than the bridge in Louisville, or more important than the bridge in northern Kentucky. I think that’s the way legislating should occur. You work it out, you find out, and then you should say how much money do you have? Right now we just write a blank check and we just say, well, what do you want. I mean, nobody has any concept, they have no restraint. What you need is in the committee process to know that we have X billions in our budget this year, because that’s all the money we have. Instead they just say, ‘What do you want to spend?’ It’s all about what do you want instead of what do you have.


Firm




Charles6682 -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/9/2010 6:26:19 PM)

I say Ron Paul should be the de facto Tea Party leader.Seriously.I may be a progressive but I have alot of respect for Ron Paul.I don't agree with everything on him about his foriegn policy and economic policy,but I do agree with him on his social view's.There's alot of people who like Ron Paul.Agree with him or disagree with him,he is a respectable guy and show's that respect to whoever he is debating.I remember during the 2008 Presidental election that the Repunlican party kept shutting him out.He was talking tea party before there was a tea party..... I would like having Ron Paul as the de facto leader of the Tea Party would be a boost for them.Don't use Sarah Palin or Raud Paul.Use Ron Paul!




TheHeretic -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/9/2010 8:55:10 PM)

Bad news. The Tea Party didn't allow the hate-spouting leftist radicals to define them, or their beliefs, during the campaign (not that the lefties didn't try!), they aren't going to allow them to define the success or failure of the agenda now.

Once the lame duck wraps up, a central plank can be checked off immediately. The Obama Administration will no longer have a total access pass to the checkbook and credit cards. The Tea Party isn't over, Eterna, it just got the job done, that fucking fast!




TheRaptorJesus -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/9/2010 9:04:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Bad news. The Tea Party didn't allow the hate-spouting leftist radicals to define them, or their beliefs, during the campaign (not that the lefties didn't try!), they aren't going to allow them to define the success or failure of the agenda now.

Once the lame duck wraps up, a central plank can be checked off immediately. The Obama Administration will no longer have a total access pass to the checkbook and credit cards. The Tea Party isn't over, Eterna, it just got the job done, that fucking fast!


You must have been under a rock for the past two years. 

I WISH the democrats had been giving Obama a free pass with the checkbook. The democrats in congress have done almost as much to stifle progress as the republicans have. Well, slight hyperbole, I suppose.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/9/2010 9:09:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Bad news. The Tea Party didn't allow the hate-spouting leftist radicals to define them, or their beliefs, during the campaign (not that the lefties didn't try!), they aren't going to allow them to define the success or failure of the agenda now.

Once the lame duck wraps up, a central plank can be checked off immediately. The Obama Administration will no longer have a total access pass to the checkbook and credit cards. The Tea Party isn't over, Eterna, it just got the job done, that fucking fast!


You must have been under a rock for the past two years. 

I WISH the democrats had been giving Obama a free pass with the checkbook. The democrats in congress have done almost as much to stifle progress as the republicans have. Well, slight hyperbole, I suppose.

You wish the check book was still open, huh?

Bernanke's Cowardice Has Sealed Our Fate

A little sensationalistic, but generally correct in the overall gist.

I'm personally still not sure that we are "done", but I do think that, unless "the checkbook" gets closed pretty quickly, we will be.

Firm




Politesub53 -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/10/2010 3:00:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

If only you had granted President -elect Obama the same curtesy ?...yanno,you just might have had the standing to request that...but you didn't so, fuck it we l(lucy, et al)will  just keep ansking the questions.


How soon they forget Mike. [;)]




Edwynn -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/10/2010 5:52:18 AM)

Bernanke is not a member of congress nor part of the administration. The Fed has nothing to do with fiscal policy matters.

He is a registered Republican, though the markets would respond most unfavorably to the Fed acting in any noticeably partisan-like manner.

None of that is to say the Fed is beyond criticism, certainly, but Fed action should be the one area where theoretically we criticize based on the  merit of the action unto itself and not on how well it adheres or not to partisan ideology.




rulemylife -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/10/2010 6:49:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Bad news. The Tea Party didn't allow the hate-spouting leftist radicals to define them, or their beliefs, during the campaign (not that the lefties didn't try!), they aren't going to allow them to define the success or failure of the agenda now.

Once the lame duck wraps up, a central plank can be checked off immediately. The Obama Administration will no longer have a total access pass to the checkbook and credit cards. The Tea Party isn't over, Eterna, it just got the job done, that fucking fast!


The "hate-spouting leftist radicals".

Tell me Richie, who is really spouting the hate?




thishereboi -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/10/2010 6:58:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

If only you had granted President -elect Obama the same curtesy ?...yanno,you just might have had the standing to request that...but you didn't so, fuck it we l(lucy, et al)will  just keep ansking the questions.


Yea, if you didn't do that, people might start thinking the liberal party is more mature than the conservatives and you don't want that to happen do you?




tazzygirl -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/10/2010 7:10:16 AM)

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Yea, if you didn't do that, people might start thinking the liberal party is more mature than the conservatives and you don't want that to happen do you?


maturity lessons from someone using a picture of baby stewie.... uh,.. lol




breatheasone -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/10/2010 7:15:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Yea, if you didn't do that, people might start thinking the liberal party is more mature than the conservatives and you don't want that to happen do you?


maturity lessons from someone using a picture of baby stewie.... uh,.. lol

LMAO...Nice




CreativeDominant -> RE: Tea party over THAT fast? (11/10/2010 7:59:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Bad news. The Tea Party didn't allow the hate-spouting leftist radicals to define them, or their beliefs, during the campaign (not that the lefties didn't try!), they aren't going to allow them to define the success or failure of the agenda now.

Once the lame duck wraps up, a central plank can be checked off immediately. The Obama Administration will no longer have a total access pass to the checkbook and credit cards. The Tea Party isn't over, Eterna, it just got the job done, that fucking fast!


You must have been under a rock for the past two years. 

I WISH the democrats had been giving Obama a free pass with the checkbook. The democrats in congress have done almost as much to stifle progress as the republicans have. Well, slight hyperbole, I suppose.

You wish the check book was still open, huh?

Bernanke's Cowardice Has Sealed Our Fate

A little sensationalistic, but generally correct in the overall gist.

I'm personally still not sure that we are "done", but I do think that, unless "the checkbook" gets closed pretty quickly, we will be.

Firm
Thanks for the link, Firm.  As you noted, a bit sensationalistic but once the overwrought statements are set aside, still disturbing in the picture it paints.

Funny how many times it is said in how many different quarters that the problem with this country is NOT the amount of money the government takes in, it is HOW the government USES the money it takes in and yet the politicians, of both stripes, continue to spend as if they...just...can...with no responsibility.




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