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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 7:24:53 AM   
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When they tell you what you can eat they are socialists/communists/something other than what I think our government should be.

When the media calls a criminal an immigrant (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101110/ap_on_re_us/us_adoption_battle) they aren't serving the country.

When the government seals someone's work under the guise of color (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101110/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_doctor_s_advocate) of law to shut them up (no I didn't agree with the individual only their right to speak).

Wasn't it during the Clinton Administration that wanted to take your children under the government's wing    Looks like SF took it to heart.   Isn't taking your children under the Governments wing socialism?   If you don't have a logical argument isn't it in the socialists playbook to attack the individual personally the way I feel you did me by accusing me of being on something?   Who made you the boss of what I take (althought I didn't take anything I did exercise my god given right to FREE SPEECH - which it appears to me that you desire to quell.   Now may I suggest that you comment to the facts and issues or feelings and issues.   Thoughts are good.   Ideas are good.   But personal attacks aren't except in the socialist playbook (my personal research over the years)



She's right, you're being a drama queen.

Which is typical of all this "take our country back" nonsense.

No one took the country anywhere.  There may be people in power whose policies you disagree with, but let's stop the theatrics.

No one is turning the country socialist.

This country has always had this type of "do-gooder" mentality where certain people have believed they know what is best for everyone. 

Remember Prohibition?

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 7:28:58 AM   
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Agree to disagree. I just think that peddaling bad shit to kids is wrong

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 7:36:08 AM   
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Reality going to swing by anytime now......or are we going to stay in fantasy world


Reality is that you either control your children or they control you and become out-of-control spoiled brats.

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 7:39:26 AM   
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Herein lies the problem though rml.

An I hepped.

What commercial is that from?

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 7:40:52 AM   
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So you believe in the "politics" of "personal assault?"

Personally I believe in free speech, freedom of choice - not having government tell me what to do and think and say.

And I do remember prohibition - another stupid idea.  Regulating morality is wrong. 

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 7:41:54 AM   
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Herein lies the problem though rml.

An I hepped.

What commercial is that from?


You lost me Ron.

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 7:43:54 AM   
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Anyone? Anyone?  Bueller?

Anyone here know what commercial that is from?

The actual line:

And I helped.

Phonetically said:

An Ah hepped.   

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 7:45:10 AM   
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Being a mom I have no problems with it. When my daughter was young she'd always want the unhealthy meals for the sole purpose of the toys. I rarely ever bought them for her though for that reason. They're tempting to children and it's like rewarding them for bad behaviour. I think it's a good idea but parents have to be vigilant and teach their children to eat healthier as well and not give in to the gimmicks.

In this day and age where the obesity rate in children is at an all time high I think it's time that government steps in. It doesn't seem like anyone else is willing to do the work.

How about you, as the parent, step in and do the work??? 

It astounds me how many people are willing to let the "oh-so-benevolent" government step in and take over THEIR job.  If you don't want your kid to get fat from eating unhealthy food, put on your big girl panties or your big boy pants and tell them "No".  And don't try to lay it off on the big bad corporations for their advertising gimmicks or "kids having a mind of their own".  Corporations are in business to make money, NOT to teach your children.  Kids DO have a mind of their own...and it is your responsibility as a parent to shape and nurture and direct that mind while understanding that there are going to be some battles that have to be fought and battles that are going to have to be let go.  If you decide a battle is important enough to be fought, then fight it and don't lose.  Even a therapist as liberal as "Doc Phil" will tell you that. 

There's a new book out.  The author is making the rounds and his latest stop was in Colorado.  The book tells parents that their kids SHOULD NOT be the ones in charge, NOR that they should be the number one priority in a couple's dynamic.  Surprise!!!!!  That's the way I was raised and it is the way I raised my kids.  Was it tough?  Sure...what with the government school teachers telling us that the kids' self-esteem was "ever so important".  I told the teachers and my kids that their self-esteem came about from doing something to earn it.  I wasn't about to put them down unnecessarily but I wasn't going to praise them each and every time they put their clothes away.  That was THEIR job and it was expected of them.  I was told by our minister...at the time---he has since been moved to an administrative possition within the church...that having and raising children were the reason couples came together in the first place and so they were the primary ingredient of a family.  I told him what I had been taught and raised with...children are INDEED a blessing but they are a responsibility and the way to ensure their happiness and proper growth was not by treating them like fragile little gods but like the human beings they were and handling them with the age-appropriate levels of responsibility and nurturing needed to bring them to maturity.  Part of what brings them to maturity is realizing that YOU are the one responsible for bringing them into the world and YOU are the one ultimately responsible for their growth and level of personal responsibilty...not the government schools, not the church, not the corporations and not the government.

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 7:49:24 AM   
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I agree with you Creative but I think you are asking a lot when you propose personal responsibility.   I thought that since the Clintons the government was trying to take that out of our hands?  

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 7:50:38 AM   
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It astounds me that so many people have that attitude, CD.

I think we should advertize cigarettes, fucking, whiskey and inhaling spray paint to our children 24/7/365.

After all, its about choice.

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 7:57:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

So you believe in the "politics" of "personal assault?"

Personally I believe in free speech, freedom of choice - not having government tell me what to do and think and say.

And I do remember prohibition - another stupid idea.  Regulating morality is wrong. 



I have no idea what you mean by "the politics of personal assault".

What I am addressing is what seems to be your notion that the country is somehow becoming socialist when we have always had those who promoted these types of causes.

Hence, my comparison to Prohibition. 

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 8:05:09 AM   
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It astounds me that so many people have that attitude, CD.

I think we should advertize cigarettes, fucking, whiskey and inhaling spray paint to our children 24/7/365.

After all, its about choice.
Actually, it is about choice.  Why market something like cigarettes or whiskey to those unable...by law...to partake of it?  Or inhaling spray paint to anyone when it is illegal?  That argument holds no water, Ron and it is a case of emotive spouting...not a reasoned argument.

Sorry...I happen to believe in my responsibility as a parent.  If my kid fucked up, then it was my job to look at the situation and decide if they'd fucked up because of what I was trying to teach them to do...and whether or not it or I was wrong... or because they didn't listen to me but listened to themselves or others.  My fault?  I took the responsibility and the ill that came from it.  Their fault?  They took the ill that came from it.  And they learned...


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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 8:06:41 AM   
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Being a mom I have no problems with it. When my daughter was young she'd always want the unhealthy meals for the sole purpose of the toys. I rarely ever bought them for her though for that reason. They're tempting to children and it's like rewarding them for bad behaviour. I think it's a good idea but parents have to be vigilant and teach their children to eat healthier as well and not give in to the gimmicks.

In this day and age where the obesity rate in children is at an all time high I think it's time that government steps in. It doesn't seem like anyone else is willing to do the work.

How about you, as the parent, step in and do the work??? 

It astounds me how many people are willing to let the "oh-so-benevolent" government step in and take over THEIR job.  If you don't want your kid to get fat from eating unhealthy food, put on your big girl panties or your big boy pants and tell them "No".  And don't try to lay it off on the big bad corporations for their advertising gimmicks or "kids having a mind of their own".  Corporations are in business to make money, NOT to teach your children.  Kids DO have a mind of their own...and it is your responsibility as a parent to shape and nurture and direct that mind while understanding that there are going to be some battles that have to be fought and battles that are going to have to be let go.  If you decide a battle is important enough to be fought, then fight it and don't lose.  Even a therapist as liberal as "Doc Phil" will tell you that. 

There's a new book out.  The author is making the rounds and his latest stop was in Colorado.  The book tells parents that their kids SHOULD NOT be the ones in charge, NOR that they should be the number one priority in a couple's dynamic.  Surprise!!!!!  That's the way I was raised and it is the way I raised my kids.  Was it tough?  Sure...what with the government school teachers telling us that the kids' self-esteem was "ever so important".  I told the teachers and my kids that their self-esteem came about from doing something to earn it.  I wasn't about to put them down unnecessarily but I wasn't going to praise them each and every time they put their clothes away.  That was THEIR job and it was expected of them.  I was told by our minister...at the time---he has since been moved to an administrative possition within the church...that having and raising children were the reason couples came together in the first place and so they were the primary ingredient of a family.  I told him what I had been taught and raised with...children are INDEED a blessing but they are a responsibility and the way to ensure their happiness and proper growth was not by treating them like fragile little gods but like the human beings they were and handling them with the age-appropriate levels of responsibility and nurturing needed to bring them to maturity.  Part of what brings them to maturity is realizing that YOU are the one responsible for bringing them into the world and YOU are the one ultimately responsible for their growth and level of personal responsibilty...not the government schools, not the church, not the corporations and not the government.


Not sure if I have ever read a bigger load of sanctimonious bullshit in my life. Congrats, you obviously have the whole fucking thing figured out. I hope to GOD you are writing a book and getting ahold of Oprah so you can start spreading the good word.

I think we all know of personal responsiblity. But, the real thing about society and humans is, is that we all need help. We need help from each other to make us into the best we can be. Lastly, not everyone has the same situation as you. So putting your cookie cutter idea out there for each of us isn't logical.

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 8:07:47 AM   
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And we have a massively obese society....
An Ah hepped.

I don't believe that huffing is illegal in all places.

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 8:10:33 AM   
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Anyone here know what commercial that is from?

The actual line:

And I helped.


Shake n' bake!

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 8:15:22 AM   
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The point is lost.

IT SHOULD BE THE POLICY OF THIS NATION to:

Establish Justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.

Not to allow grease peddlers to skin you for a buck.

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 8:20:22 AM   
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This thread is maddening. A FUCKING PARENT SHOULDNT NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO BE ABLE TO SAY NO TO THEIR KID. GROW THE FUCK UP AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

< Message edited by willbeurdaddy -- 11/10/2010 8:22:04 AM >


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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 8:20:53 AM   
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But but but shake n bake did promote general welfare! and domestic tranquility! look at how happy that kid was in the commercials!

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 8:22:25 AM   
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I agree that parents are responsible.  Idiots are not, in fact they shirk it.  Case made.  The government should stop the assault on children to grow up to be just like you.

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RE: Govt intrusion or smart govt - 11/10/2010 8:26:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Anyone? Anyone?  Bueller?

Anyone here know what commercial that is from?

The actual line:

And I helped.

Phonetically said:

An Ah hepped.   


I guess I'm having a clueless morning, because I still don't know what you are talking about.

But that's ok, I'm having a clueless life in general so it's all good.

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