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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/11/2010 9:36:55 AM   
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A country that is rapidly falling behind in Science and math.



The liberal mindset that produced our failing public schools is behind NPR.

Why is it that all liberals say that NPR is nonpartisan, and conservatives say it is liberal?
Could it be that liberals have a vested interest in saying so?
What hidden vested interest could conservatives have in castigating it, in defunding it? It must just be that we are stupid, right?


There is 1, countem 1, out of 28 or so journalists on NPR that could be considered "conservative". After that Juan Williams was the furthest "right", while still being somewhat left of center.

And you are right about the reason our schools are so deficient in science and math...all of the nonsense courses and "nobody fails" policies, so no one realizes how fucking dumb they really are. And you can add a good portion of the childhood obesity that liberals whine about....PE is defunded while sex education and other liberal pets crowd out academics.


Willbur whining cause something was defunded by the Gov't? What do you want you Commie, more people on the teat of the Gov't?


I guess you dont understand Federalism. Look it up.

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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/11/2010 10:10:11 AM   
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Willbur whining cause something was defunded by the Gov't? What do you want you Commie, more people on the teat of the Gov't?


I guess you dont understand Federalism. Look it up.


Why don't you look it up for us Willbeur, since you were the one that brought it up.

Then you can explain how it relates to this discussion.

That is if it doesn't take too much time out of your hectic schedule.



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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/11/2010 10:50:21 AM   
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I think it might be worth the cost if there was even one conservative host on PBS.


I haven't watched TV of any sort for awhile, but isn't McLaughlin group still on most PBS stations?



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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/11/2010 1:01:25 PM   
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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/11/2010 2:05:22 PM   
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Typical response form you Wilbur.

Most kids shows are about making money.  What products and how many of them can we sell.  PBS is different the shows focus on education and opening up minds.

Everything is not about dollars and cents.  When you try and make it such you wind up with what we have.  A country that is rapidly falling behind in Science and math.



O. M. G.

Do you honestly not realize these aren't "PBS" produced shows?

lol... And do you think they aren't money-makers?

Sid the Science Kid
Co-produced by the Jim Henson Company and KCET in Los Angeles (KCET is dropping PBS as of 1/1/2011)
Merchandising 

Dinosaur Train
Produced by the Jim Henson Company
Merchandising

WordGirl
Produced by Scholastic
Merchandise

Between the Lions
Co-produced by WGBH in Boston, Sirius Thinking Ltd., in association with the Jim Henson Company.
Merchandise

These shows are not entirely funded by PBS.  From PBS's website on funding, here's their answer to whether they fund projects:
We do in part, but funding comes from different sources, including foundations and corporations.
In case you missed it, they're talking about those nasty, evil corporations. 

By the way, PBS itself is a private, nonprofit corporation that is partially funded by money from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting... who, in turn, receives funding from the Federal Government.  The CPB received $400,000,000 in 2009, of which $53,002,000 was provided to PBS.  $199,830,000 of PBS's 2009 Budget came from member assessments.

Lest you believe that CPS is the real backing behind these beloved shows, I think if you'll check the list of CPB funded programs and projects, (here), you'll find that only "Between the Lions" receives any direct funding by CPB.

Oh, and from CPS's website:
The Corporation for Public Broadcasting does not produce or broadcast programs. CPB awards grants to create programs that air on public broadcasting stations. In addition, CPB helps support the operations of more than 1000 locally owned and operated public television and radio stations nationwide, and is the largest single source of funding for research, technology, and program development for public radio, television, and related on-line services.
So who pays the lion's share of production costs?  Private, for-profit companies!

I'm not saying there aren't any altruistic reasons behind making these shows.  I'm not saying that the shows have not benefited from Federal funds.  Just that they aren't sponsored without any thought toward eventual marketing.

And I suspect they would continue to be made without PBS or CPB.



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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/11/2010 2:10:42 PM   
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And I suspect they would continue to be made without PBS or CPB.





And if they are good they will succeed. The only response to my saying that previously was a bunch of vacuous nonsense. Quality is rewarded, in the "arts" as well as consumer goods.

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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/11/2010 2:45:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who then is the liberal host?

Perhaps they think true unbiased reporting of the news and documentaries based on fact rather then politics is their purpose rather than employing hosts with a particular political bent. Maybe they think there is enough bias in the media without their help.

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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/11/2010 4:14:48 PM   
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First, NPR and PBS do have "conservative" commentators or panel guests. David Brooks and Charles Krauthammer are two. Krauthammer is actually one of the biggest belly achers for defunding public broadcasting as a result of Williams' firing from NPR. I have no idea why "conservatives" are against news that is actually fair and balanced. There is no story I've ever heard on NPR or seen on The News Hour that did NOT include input from ALL sides of an issue. Perhaps because NPR, PBS lack bombastic hosts making outrageous claims, conservatives cannot hear on PBS's frequency and pitch, causing them to believe their side is being left out.

I do see some good in government funding for educational programming, particularly when it comes to children. Have you seen Saturday morning cartoons lately? I cannot distinguish between the commericials and the programs half the time! This endless marketing to children on commericial television is sickening. As far as adults, I have a much easier time hearing, "This programming is brought to you by the Doris Duke Charitable Foundation," as opposed to commericials that shout and scream and otherwise offend my sensibilities. Given that we have public schools (not "failing" public schools, as "conservatives" like to remind us), why not educate the public using other media, as well?

Currently, I contribute a significant amount (for me) to NPR because if I am in the car, that is the only station to which I listen (exception: A Prairie Home Companion, which is too much of a parody without intending to be one). If the government were to defund NPR, I'd contribute a bit more, but given that the government wastes money in ways that boggle the mind, I find the idea of sacking public broadcasting a bit ridiculous. Viva The Writers Almanac!!

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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/11/2010 5:30:55 PM   
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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/11/2010 8:15:24 PM   
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If they are good shows they will survive without public funding.


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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/11/2010 8:17:47 PM   
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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/12/2010 5:30:05 AM   
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Typical response form you Wilbur.

Most kids shows are about making money.  What products and how many of them can we sell.  PBS is different the shows focus on education and opening up minds.

Everything is not about dollars and cents.  When you try and make it such you wind up with what we have.  A country that is rapidly falling behind in Science and math.



O. M. G.

Do you honestly not realize these aren't "PBS" produced shows?

lol... And do you think they aren't money-makers?

Sid the Science Kid
Co-produced by the Jim Henson Company and KCET in Los Angeles (KCET is dropping PBS as of 1/1/2011)
Merchandising 

Dinosaur Train
Produced by the Jim Henson Company
Merchandising

WordGirl
Produced by Scholastic
Merchandise

Between the Lions
Co-produced by WGBH in Boston, Sirius Thinking Ltd., in association with the Jim Henson Company.
Merchandise

These shows are not entirely funded by PBS.  From PBS's website on funding, here's their answer to whether they fund projects:

We do in part, but funding comes from different sources, including foundations and corporations.
In case you missed it, they're talking about those nasty, evil corporations. 

By the way, PBS itself is a private, nonprofit corporation that is partially funded by money from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting... who, in turn, receives funding from the Federal Government.  The CPB received $400,000,000 in 2009, of which $53,002,000 was provided to PBS.  $199,830,000 of PBS's 2009 Budget came from member assessments.

Lest you believe that CPS is the real backing behind these beloved shows, I think if you'll check the list of CPB funded programs and projects, (here), you'll find that only "Between the Lions" receives any direct funding by CPB.

Oh, and from CPS's website:

The Corporation for Public Broadcasting does not produce or broadcast programs. CPB awards grants to create programs that air on public broadcasting stations. In addition, CPB helps support the operations of more than 1000 locally owned and operated public television and radio stations nationwide, and is the largest single source of funding for research, technology, and program development for public radio, television, and related on-line services.

So who pays the lion's share of production costs?  Private, for-profit companies!

I'm not saying there aren't any altruistic reasons behind making these shows.  I'm not saying that the shows have not benefited from Federal funds.  Just that they aren't sponsored without any thought toward eventual marketing.

And I suspect they would continue to be made without PBS or CPB.





Ok, I'll bite. Why are you whining then about PBS? Its obviously funded by the Corporate world just like all the other networks. Why pick on them?

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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/12/2010 6:32:10 AM   
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If I have to see one more global warming documentary I will scream.


You don't have to see any.

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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/12/2010 8:57:20 AM   
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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/12/2010 9:08:40 AM   
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If I have to see one more global warming documentary I will scream.


You don't have to see any.



Which is why I dont have a TV set.

Anytime there is wild life on TV-  the sound- comes off on fricken global warming.   So dont watch it with sound.   This agenda is everywhere.  I live like a glutton- I have heat and power and hot water and I do not plan to give it up.

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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/12/2010 9:29:15 AM   
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Ok, I'll bite. Why are you whining then about PBS? Its obviously funded by the Corporate world just like all the other networks. Why pick on them?


My guess is the same as why we Americans give a heck of alot of money to corporations. Not the pokey $420 million to PBS (according to one poster on here), but several billions to KBR, Halliburton, Boeing, etc. Its the TYPE of corporation, DomYngBlk, that apparently these conservative folks have a problem with: not-for-profit. The corporation doesn't go out to lie, steal, cheat, and manipulate the public, in order to raise the bottom line a mere 1% from the previous year. They have a hard time understanding organizations that are not out to 'get the public' for every penny through shadow advertising, fly-by-night agencies, or bait/trade tactics.

This isn't about the quality of shows on or presented by PBS. Its not about individuals that are on PBS. Not even the events they show. No, its about an organization that, for the most part is honest with people. Its the same with a host of other non-profit organizations (read: non religious in nature) that get money from the US Goverment. If Habitate for Humanities were getting federal dollars to help off-set costs, do you honestly think conservatives would say "oh, thats ok, they do good things for the community"? HELL NO, they would lump it in with PBS immediately. You and I could agree its a good organization, that should get federal dollars. It helps in every state of the Union. Even helps create homes for wounded veterans

I've come to understand, that the conservative mindset is "Since I'm selfish, everyone else has to be just as selfish as me!" It completely ignores reality. But then, when has that stopped conservatives from an arguement?

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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/12/2010 9:45:58 AM   
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Or why we subsidize oil still. Or corn. Or peanuts.

Tell THAT to your newly elected Congress and see how far you get.......

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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/12/2010 9:49:40 AM   
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Gee what a coincidence.

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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/12/2010 11:06:26 AM   
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Could it be that liberals have a vested interest in saying so?
What hidden vested interest could conservatives have in castigating it, in defunding it?

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RE: Public Broadcasting - 11/12/2010 11:11:30 AM   
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