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Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 12:46:26 PM   
DarkSteven


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Status: offline 		I was diagnosed with diabetes a bit over a year ago. I read up, spoke with other diabetics and doctors, etc. Basically, I assumed control of the situation and reduced my doctor to the role of questionnee and regular a1c tester. I spoke to a local Master a week ago who has serious spinal injuries and yet works out on his job from two to eight hours every day. He was advised to undergo operations, etc., and has ignored the doctors and assumed full responsibility for his own health. Yesterday, I spoke with a Domme who has been battling a disease for twenty years and ignoring the medical establishment's advice because she has researched her condition for years and knows it better than the doctors.

Conclusion: Dom/mes take control of our health. We're not easy patients, but we do get better.

Your thoughts/experiences?

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 1:00:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure I would go so far as to say that dominant's handle this better than submissive's, but I can see where someone might think this. The rest of my family basically just did what the doctors said to do with one of the same illnesses, they started symptoms after me and they are either dead or doing very badly. They had lots of medical coverage and easier lives. I didn't have the ease of regular doctors and that is most likely a good thing because I challenged the doctors, investigated everything and wanted to know... didn't want to be told what to do especially when I noticed a huge disregard for the patient with certain doctors. For the most part, my family member's were not independent or dominant. lol I don't know where I came from.

After my death sentence in 2001, by what they know I should have been dead within two years. I am still here loving and irritating everyone around me. lol I just got word that more in my family have fallen to this disease and no one took my advice.

People that are more submissive may in fact say no or challenge authority less than a dominant might, but that isn't speaking for all submissives. Have you seen some of those people around here... mouthy lil wenches, evil lil toppers... and you know there isn't an ounce of submission in any other area of life but to their dominant. (Yes, I was talking about you.. you know who you are!)


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 1:03:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think it has as much to do with being a Dom/me in itself. It's simply part of the assertive, sometimes stubborn, personality.

That has its dangers however, as it can lead to someone researching their issue and coming up with the wrong conclusion but sticking to it because they are absolutely certain it is correct.

Maybe even then it may be handled better in terms of dealing with it, but is it being done in the most beneficial way possible? For instance, would the person working 2-8 hours a day have healed quicker if he simply underwent bed rest? Who knows. But unless you are a Dom/me with medical training, I would be worried you are taking your position as the decision maker beyond the scope of your ability.



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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 1:11:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I had listen to the doctors, I would be in serious trouble. My illness isn't even taught in medical schools in the States. Doctors tend to say I made up the illness or that after reading one page about it, they are expert over my years of research. Let's just evaluate that for a moment. If a doctor has an ego... one where it over rides the patient and nullifies them... they are a professional with more knowledge, but they are dangerous. What if they are wrong?

I don't recommend anyone over ride a doctor automatically, but I do recommend second, third... twenty opinions and being pro active in researching and knowing your illness or what else you might have. If I listened long ago to what most said... I would be a hypochondriac looking for drugs and to terrorize doctors just for the attention.

Take in the medical information and don't ignore it, but do your own homework because no one cares like you do and they just might be focused on more than your health and not to your benefit. No way would I consider treating anyone but myself, but in my case... you bet my life I am going to! lol


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 1:12:23 PM   
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Your thoughts/experiences?

It's an inane theory.

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 1:21:35 PM   
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If I had listen to the doctors, I would be in serious trouble. My illness isn't even taught in medical schools in the States. Doctors tend to say I made up the illness or that after reading one page about it, they are expert over my years of research. Let's just evaluate that for a moment. If a doctor has an ego... one where it over rides the patient and nullifies them... they are a professional with more knowledge, but they are dangerous. What if they are wrong?

I don't recommend anyone over ride a doctor automatically, but I do recommend second, third... twenty opinions and being pro active in researching and knowing your illness or what else you might have. If I listened long ago to what most said... I would be a hypochondriac looking for drugs and to terrorize doctors just for the attention.

Take in the medical information and don't ignore it, but do your own homework because no one cares like you do and they just might be focused on more than your health and not to your benefit. No way would I consider treating anyone but myself, but in my case... you bet my life I am going to! lol



If you think a Dr is being obtuse, or just has no idea what they are talking about, bail and get a new one, always. And if you are dealing with something they have no experience with, then by all means find someone who does.

And you should always be informed about what you are going to the Dr for, and you should always seek multiple opinions on anything that is not absolute cut and dry basic.


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 1:26:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would hardly say it's unique to dom/mes though it's a nice theory. If anything I would say it's more a male versus female thing simply because I know many women who take charge and become informed whereas most men I know don't care to be bothered by the details and have bigger and better things to conquer. It's painstakingly boring and frustrating but I simply don't trust most doctors due to experience.


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 2:34:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Situations in which being stubborn, headstrong, over-confident, and unwilling to back down to authority can come in handy.

Well done, Steven. Seriously. You go.

pam

P.S.- Doctors are idiots.



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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 2:56:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Your thoughts/experiences?

It's an inane theory.

~stef



Agreed...wholeheartedly.

ETA....

Okay, had to step away for a moment to check my blood glucose before sitting down to have a bite to eat. It was 71mg, btw, but that's probably TMI.

The OP asked for experiences...I've been a diabetic for over a decade. My ability to control my disease and not let it control me has less to do with whether or not I identify as a dominant or a submissive individual and everything to do with reality.

My reality is simple...if I don't control this damn dis-ease, I die. If I don 't take the responsibility for managing my health and well-being, I have neither. If I don't take the time and make the effort to do my own research in order to have a better understanding of how this damn dis-ease affects my body, my quality of life suffers.

This is about being assertive in regards to MY health. Is assertiveness a strictly dominant characteristic?

For what it's worth, I identify as a switch, as far as wiitwd goes, and a woman who believes in good old common sense to get me through life in general.

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 3:59:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Judging by The Man, dominants are also too stubborn to go for regular checkups. Although he's gotten his A1C under 7 primarily by switching to diet coke and giving up chocolate. However he went for years knowing he was borderline and still not getting checkups.

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 4:22:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am like your husband, I don't do regular checkups. But, when I got sick earlier this year (my first serious illness ever!) I bit the bullet and visited the doc for some help. Along the way I did some research and asked for specific tests that might relate to my condition. I think it's silly to think taking control of something like your health is a dominant trait. But I do think that submissives might be more comfortable living with pain and adjusting their lives accordingly. Why? I think it is so we can get things done. Not for us, but for our loved ones.

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 5:40:17 PM   
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quote:

Your thoughts/experiences?



My thoughts are that the implication that there are few submissive folk who manage their own health is simply ridiculous!

My experience is that, as a nurse, I am not an easy patient because I expect more from my medical care givers and because I speak up. If I think they are slacking off or not listening, I have been known to grab the doctor's tie, pull him in close and inform him, in no uncertain terms, that he was going to refer me to someone who knew what they were doing.

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 6:35:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh I've known more than one self professed dominant that acts like a large child when it comes their own health.  Let's see...one of them refused to listen to a podiatrist because there was no magic pill or fast painless surgery to cure his ails, the Dr prescribed specific shoes.  I kinda got all toppy and insisted he get the f-ing shoes, low and behold they helped.  Then there's the other one that's a good 50 lbs overweight and developing insulin resistance, high blood pressure, palpatations, hell he thought he had a heart attack on New Years Eve... but thinks herbs and supplements will fix it.  Mhm...I think less couch and cookie might help more but I can't tell him that, he knows everything.  Oh forgot to mention he's in the medical profession.

Meanwhile there's some submissives that take care of themselves just fine, balance checkbooks, run businesses, and manage not to chase butterflies into traffic or get distracted by shiny things while driving cars.  Of course there are some that 'need' someone to 'fix' them too.  Takes all kinds i guess.

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 6:49:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

Situations in which being stubborn, headstrong, over-confident, and unwilling to back down to authority can come in handy.

Well done, Steven. Seriously. You go.

pam

P.S.- Doctors are idiots.


On a more serious note...

i don't think either Doms or subs are more proactive about their health. i don't know to what extent You "assumed control of the situation and reduced Your doctor the role of questionee...". If You mean You disregarded the doctor's medical advice in favor of Your own, then You took a risk that could just as easily have turned out badly for You. Glad it didn't.

Having said that...putting blind, unqualified faith in a doctor, or anyone else in power, is as delusional as believing that you can do their job better than they can. Doctors are people, and people make mistakes; people can be lazy and ignorant. It's just good sense not to swallow everything that you're told whole, to think critically, to question, and sometimes even rebel against authority. There's that quote, "Well behaved women rarely make history." The same applies to everyone, i guess. There is a time and place for everything, even defiance and insubordination. And a time and place to fall in line.

Whatever You did, it seems as though it's working for You. And i guess that's the ultimate test of whether or not You were right to do it.

pam

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 8:02:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would say that unless you have a medical degree in your hand you don't know better than your doctor and imo this is complete stupidity of a thread. People whether they be dom, sub, slave, switch, white, black, blue or purple will take control of their health if they want to be healthy. There is zero correlation imo to being dominant.

This thread just reminds me once again that so many look at subs/slaves as weak, helpless, stupid, not taking care of themselves, etc.


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 8:03:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		My Dom has not channeled His Dominant personality to take control over His health.
He has a family history of heart disease and diabetes; both of His parents are diabetic.
What He does do is demand medication for high blood pressure and high cholesterol
Because He isn’t going to change, damnit!
And chooses a Doc who is family friend. (though very professional in office)
Her first name is Bunnie, and she wears heels w/lap coat. Looks great too!



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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 9:09:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		My ex owner had Type II Diabetes and you certainly wouldn't know it by the way he ate and drank.

Some people manage their health better than others.  It's really that simple.  I do pretty dang good at managing mine.


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 11:05:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I don't eat red meat, exercise and no one in my family is predisposed to anything besides living till 80+. The only problem is it's harder to run when there are three feet of snow for 5 months.

I do care a lot about my health, though, assuming that was the question.

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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/10/2010 11:59:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		master is insulin sensitive which is halfway between type 1 and 2 and he has accepted and deals with it without impact to his day to day life if he is ill then he takes control and care for himself. If i am ill he will come to drs etc ( i ask as well) he jsut seems better able to remember and deal with them than i am when i am ill. i can do it on my own if i wanted and used to but knowing he is there means i can focus on getting better and getting back to being healthy also i have found that him begin there and so obviously knowledgeable kept me out of hospital as the dr just knew if i got worse he would make sure i would go and i would be cared for at home.

i dont think its that he handles it better he chooses to help with the handling of mine as well its part of his role as my master in caring etc.


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RE: Do Dom/mes handle disease better? - 11/11/2010 1:49:50 AM   
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I did not get your name sorry but when i saw you sugar level is 74 that is dangerously low ! always check you sugar level an hour after you eat!  Always wash your hand they maybe something sugarie on it and it can be read wrong ! Please 74 is so low now do you have "glucoes" tablet on hand?  If you do not go to the drug store and buys some keep it in your test kit!  Now there is always a sign when you sugar is very low , shaking , sweating , heart beating fast, other things also!  Take one or two of these tablets right away!  You can go in to shock so fast you will not know what hit you!  Please do this ok! you need to do more then just eat when it is so low!  Always carry your kit with you no matter where you go!  If your sugar happens to go high drink plenty of water and take what ever meds that will bring it down!  It runs in families Father Mother and so on!  I can not even tell you when your sugar was 74 you were in such danger !  Now for the most important things get a "special diabete specialist"  Your doctor can find the one who is in you medical center!  I hope they told you to write down "before and after" each time you each write it down record it so if it does o up high you will know what you ate that made it go high three times a day dinner breakdast lunch !  Eating right is the key , making wise thoughts some people listen to people who have not a clue as to handle this illness and it is not a "death sentence for anyone" do not eat Lunch meats,  corn and rice turn to sugar each time you eat it so this will rise your sugar level high!  Wetting and not being able to hold you "water " is a key that something is very wrong and dangerous!  Believe it or not insulin is better then the pills " it is true i read up on this and learn how to handle many things!  Always check you toes never cut them yourself go to a foot doctor he willdo the cuting !  Now i want everyone here to read this and make sure to get the special diabetic nurse who will work with you!   If you sugar is low " never ever eat just any old candy "five life savers is the perfect thing to bring your sugar levels right up !  now i hope this will help those who have many quetions and want answer to what is good and what is bad!   take care all of you

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