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Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 12:02:59 PM   
pahunkboy


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Did you hear the one about the Orlando
Sheriffs Office that sent armed SWAT teams
into barbershops searching for people
...barbering without a license?

No it's not a joke and there's no punch line.

No warrants either.

We can't bring Wall Street to justice, but
no problem terrorizing small business owners.

The whole disgraceful abuse of armed force
here.

Video:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/967.html
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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 1:00:22 PM   
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Aren't these folks Sevillians?

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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 1:03:35 PM   
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:groan: That is a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad pun.

Also, pahunkboy's premise is a bit off. Yeah, the raids suck, but if you're a Bernie Madoff you're not safe either.


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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 1:19:49 PM   
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"This comes from the Orlando Sentinal"?

I've heard of the Orlando Sentinel, but somehow I just can't take a video seriously that cannot even quote the name of its source correctly.




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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 1:22:06 PM   
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Orlanda?

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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 1:30:52 PM   
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Entering without a warrant I think is wrong.   I do believe they need to show reasonable cause and get the warrant.

Better citation for some

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/os-illegal-barbering-arrests-20101107,0,7437915.story?track=rss-topicgallery


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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 1:37:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Orlanda?


Point taken.

Fixed.

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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 1:51:45 PM   
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I think the OP's allusion was to WS generally, and not an invalid argument.

Madoff didn't have (or have enough maybe) friends and agents at the Fed and at the Treasury. Citigroup, AIG, Goldman, et. al. did.

Madoff's ponzi scheme, large as it was, still pales in comparison to it's CDO counterpart, and cost taxpayers noticeably less.

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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 2:22:34 PM   
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They couldn't just send a cop around to the differant barbershops checking liscenses?
"Hey Charlie, your lisense is expired, take care of it, I'll be back in two weeks and if it's not renewed you have to put the scissors down."
What's so hard about that?

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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 2:29:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Entering without a warrant I think is wrong.   I do believe they need to show reasonable cause and get the warrant.

Better citation for some

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/os-illegal-barbering-arrests-20101107,0,7437915.story?track=rss-topicgallery




Methinks "armed SWAT teams" in the OP was a bit hyperbolic. :)

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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 3:09:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

They couldn't just send a cop around to the differant barbershops checking liscenses?
"Hey Charlie, your lisense is expired, take care of it, I'll be back in two weeks and if it's not renewed you have to put the scissors down."
What's so hard about that?


Thank you.

Also the Chicago trib link says the same thing- 

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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 5:53:45 PM   
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It's simply a test balloon, to see if they can get away with it without the public becoming too outraged.

I checked, to see if anyone else covered the story:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/148846

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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 5:59:35 PM   
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How about this: your loving powerful government at work:

Losing a Baby Over a Poppy Seed
by Charles Davis November 02, 2010

The birth of a couple’s first child is supposed to be a joyous occasion -- and for the first three days, it was for Elizabeth Mort and her partner Alex Rodriguez. But then the commonwealth of Pennsylvania took their young daughter away after the hospital where she was born reported the mother for testing positive on a drug test. Her drug of choice? An “everything” bagel from Dunkin’ Donuts.

“The best thing in my life had been taken from me and there was nothing I could do to get her back,” Mort says. For five excruciating days, officials with Lawrence County Children and Youth Services (LCCYS) kept mother away from child, all based on a positive drug test they didn’t even bother to investigate -- and which the hospital never even informed the mother about. Now, aided by the ACLU of Pennsylvania, the parents are fighting back with a lawsuit against both LCCYS and Jameson Hospital.


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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 6:01:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kinkbound

It's simply a test balloon, to see if they can get away with it without the public becoming too outraged.

I checked, to see if anyone else covered the story:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/148846
Really ? You figure this is just a precursor to another more ominous developement ?
Seriously?
This is how you figure it starts ?.....Barbershop raids...perhaps a quartet ?

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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 6:07:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

How about this: your loving powerful government at work:

Losing a Baby Over a Poppy Seed
by Charles Davis November 02, 2010



The birth of a couple’s first child is supposed to be a joyous occasion -- and for the first three days, it was for Elizabeth Mort and her partner Alex Rodriguez. But then the commonwealth of Pennsylvania took their young daughter away after the hospital where she was born reported the mother for testing positive on a drug test. Her drug of choice? An “everything” bagel from Dunkin’ Donuts.

“The best thing in my life had been taken from me and there was nothing I could do to get her back,” Mort says. For five excruciating days, officials with Lawrence County Children and Youth Services (LCCYS) kept mother away from child, all based on a positive drug test they didn’t even bother to investigate -- and which the hospital never even informed the mother about. Now, aided by the ACLU of Pennsylvania, the parents are fighting back with a lawsuit against both LCCYS and Jameson Hospital.




Firm


I love and miss Dunkin Donuts so much that I'd almost be willing to give up my first born.
He just happens to be 22 and a law abiding contributer to the tax rolls.

Sorry to make light of such a sad story. I hope they win...and big!!

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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 6:09:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

How about this: your loving powerful government at work:

Losing a Baby Over a Poppy Seed
by Charles Davis November 02, 2010

The birth of a couple’s first child is supposed to be a joyous occasion -- and for the first three days, it was for Elizabeth Mort and her partner Alex Rodriguez. But then the commonwealth of Pennsylvania took their young daughter away after the hospital where she was born reported the mother for testing positive on a drug test. Her drug of choice? An “everything” bagel from Dunkin’ Donuts.

“The best thing in my life had been taken from me and there was nothing I could do to get her back,” Mort says. For five excruciating days, officials with Lawrence County Children and Youth Services (LCCYS) kept mother away from child, all based on a positive drug test they didn’t even bother to investigate -- and which the hospital never even informed the mother about. Now, aided by the ACLU of Pennsylvania, the parents are fighting back with a lawsuit against both LCCYS and Jameson Hospital.


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Yes, I read that a few days ago. Despicable.

The Police State is at our threshold.

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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 6:13:19 PM   
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I dont know about the poppy seed story.   Druggies use that just because. 

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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 6:20:52 PM   
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"While a federal employee would fail a drug test if they exceed a threshold of 2,000 nanograms/mL of opiate metabolites, a patient at Jameson Hospital would fail if they exceed a threshold of just 300 nanograms/mL -- or just 100 nanograms/mL for morphine. At such low thresholds, there’s a good chance other parents will have to suffer -- and likely have already suffered -- the pain of having their child taken away from them based on nothing more than their choice of breakfast food.

Indeed, "Jameson Hospital's policy of drug-testing all obstetrical patients for opiates at cut-off levels so low that they are triggered by the mere consumption of a poppy seed bagel, and then reporting these unreliable results to LCCYS is plainly misguided,” says Patricia Dodge, one of the attorneys representing Mort and Rodriguez.

But “misguided” is probably an understatement. As detailed in the ACLU’s lawsuit, the state “is removing newborns without any reasonable suspicion that they have been abused or are in imminent danger of abuse, in violation of parents' fundamental constitutional rights, and Jameson is aiding and abetting that constitutional violation by carrying out a drug-testing regime, the primary purpose of which is to further the goals of LCCYS, not provide medical care to patients.”

Keep in mind: what happened to Mort and Rodriguez isn't a mere fluke -- it's the direct result of an established hospital policy in dire need of reform. In fact, the lawsuit states that one caseworker admitted LCCYS made a mistake by removing Mort's daughter from her home, explaining that they had experienced problems with Jameson Hospital in the past. And if its drug-testing policy doesn't change, rest assured more parents will have their children seized by the state over nothing more than a poppy seed.

To prevent future incidents, Jameson Hospital needs to start treating its mothers-to-be like patients, not prospective criminals. And it can start by raising its "positive" drug-testing threshold to the level used for federal workers. But it shouldn't stop there. Unless there are signs of abuse or actual evidence a child is in danger of abuse, hospital staff should not report parents to child services over just one potentially faulty test result, especially when the hospital knows that will result in the state taking the child away without any further investigation."


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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 6:21:42 PM   
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I think we might not be getting the entire story. They do not send a SWAT team without a very good reason. The truth shall set you free.

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RE: Barber shop raided - 11/11/2010 6:26:27 PM   
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I think we might not be getting the entire story. They do not send a SWAT team without a very good reason. The truth shall set you free.


What reason would they go in without a warrant?

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