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thishereboi -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/14/2010 6:34:48 PM)
The main goal of schools is to educate our kids. That means learning about the whole world and learning how to get along in that world. Unless of course your goal is to keep them ignorant and closed minded. In which case I would say you are on the right track.

tazzygirl -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/14/2010 8:22:59 PM)
quote: The artifacts and images on this page reflect how the Civil War transformed the American flag into a sacred symbol worth defending and dying for—on the battlefield and beyond. http://americanhistory.si.edu/starspangledbanner/the-flag-in-the-civil-war.aspx Many would disagree with you, pa.

popeye1250 -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 12:25:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi The main goal of schools is to educate our kids. That means learning about the whole world and learning how to get along in that world. Unless of course your goal is to keep them ignorant and closed minded. In which case I would say you are on the right track. Tell that to Sweden or Ireland. Try and hang an American flag on your house in Sweden and the police will take it down for you. And our Troops in uniform while stopping over in Ireland are "quarentined" on the airport in Shannon and can't leave if they are in uniform and /or have American flags on them. Why would anyone want to keep our children "ignorant and close-minded?" Unless your kid gets stuck with a leftist teacher of course. They should be taught all about the good things in life but also warned to stay away from the bad things.

rulemylife -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 4:43:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Oddly enough, the only reference i can find to Jim's post is this one... http://spectator.org/archives/2010/11/05/a-military-funeral RacerJim\| 11.6.10 @ 12:09PM Phil...please shake your son's hand for me, firmly! Our children are indeed being brain washed. The Principles of two K-5 schools in Rockville MD recently cancelled Halloween festivities because of cultural and/or religeous complaints by a handful of parents. Diversity run amock. Isnt it amazing that Jim posted that there too? [image]http://www.google.com/images/icons/sectionized_ui/play_c.gif[/image]Ferris Bueller's Day Off - Video Clip "Bueller .

thishereboi -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 4:52:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi The main goal of schools is to educate our kids. That means learning about the whole world and learning how to get along in that world. Unless of course your goal is to keep them ignorant and closed minded. In which case I would say you are on the right track. Tell that to Sweden or Ireland. Try and hang an American flag on your house in Sweden and the police will take it down for you. What does that have to do with teaching our kids about foreign national holidays? And our Troops in uniform while stopping over in Ireland are "quarentined" on the airport in Shannon and can't leave if they are in uniform and /or have American flags on them. Again, what does this have to do with teaching kids? Why would anyone want to keep our children "ignorant and close-minded?" Well, you are the one who claimed we shouldn't teach our kids about foreign holidays, so why do you want to keep them ignorant? Unless your kid gets stuck with a leftist teacher of course. Or even worse, some idiot bigot who thinks he is superior in some way because he views lean to the right. They should be taught all about the good things in life but also warned to stay away from the bad things. Now that I agree with, although I have a feeling what you consider bad, isn't necessarily what I consider bad.

rulemylife -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 5:01:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Tell that to Sweden or Ireland. Try and hang an American flag on your house in Sweden and the police will take it down for you. And our Troops in uniform while stopping over in Ireland are "quarentined" on the airport in Shannon and can't leave if they are in uniform and /or have American flags on them. Why would anyone want to keep our children "ignorant and close-minded?" Unless your kid gets stuck with a leftist teacher of course. They should be taught all about the good things in life but also warned to stay away from the bad things. And I'm sure you are going to find a reputable source that will confirm this and post it for us all to read.

tazzygirl -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 5:04:14 AM)
~FR When i was in school ~ and i vividly remember the inside of my covered school bus being brown~ we had, every year, international day. We had to pick a country, or one was assigned to us, and we had to present it to our classmates. Foods, drinks, flags, ect. I think what has happened is that being PC has made us intolerant on many levels. If these students were threatening another student (see the comment about safety concerns in the OP article) then why was that never investigated? Has this become the new form of bullying on both sides? If i remember correctly, werent a few students sent home for wearing US flag apparel on Cinco de Mayo?

Lucylastic -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 5:14:29 AM)
IF you wear your Stars and stripes with pride you are an american patriot If you dare wear your countries flag you are simply un-american

thishereboi -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 5:21:34 AM)
fr If I were in charge of a school, on May 5th, I would have all the classes focus on learning about the holiday. They would have lessons teaching them about the holiday and the countries that celebrate it. I might have the kids do an art project in relation to the teachings or perhaps watch a video on the subject. Maybe at lunch, serve food appropriate to the occasion and let the kids dress up if they so desire. If any parents objected to their kids learning something about another country, they would be free to keep their children home that day. Now I could be wrong, but I am guessing at the end of the day, my kids will have had more fun, they would have learned more and they wouldn't have had to go through the bs that this school is experiencing.

thishereboi -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 5:28:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic IF you wear your Stars and stripes with pride you are an american patriot If you dare wear your countries flag you are simply un-american Ok, so I guess I can add a day to my school curriculum where the kids all come in with different flags from all over the world. Then they could discuss the differences and what the flag means to them. But not on May 5th, they will have enough to do already, especially if we get the pinata[8D]

RacerJim -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 5:38:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim This past Halloween two K-5 school Principles in Rockville MD (where I live) took it upon themselves to replace "Halloween Party Day" with "Celebrate Fall Day" because the parents of 5-10 students (out of 350 +/-) at each school had expressed cultural and/or religeous objections to same. Rockville is a sanctuary city. Strangely google has nothing about this and neither does an old friend with kids in the rockville public schools. Obviously you aren't Google literate and your old friend is ignorant. Either that or you're simply lying. http://www.gazette.net/stories/10272010/chevnew213211_32545.php

RacerJim -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 6:01:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: For the second question…does it bother anyone that young Hispanic students were evidently complaining about and maybe harassing this boy who was innocently just displaying the flag of his country? That's not how it happened. On Cinco de Mayo, some students complained that other students bringing the Mexican flag "disrespected" the U.S. THIS is where the bullshit should have stopped--those complaining students should not have been indulged. It's a fricking holiday. Learn. It's school! THIS incident is pissed off adolescents dishing payback. And given the context--you can see why (from a kid's perspective). Of course, this also could have been used as a learning experience--it's Veteran's Day. Nobody harassed him either. The kids bitched to a supervisor, who asked the student to remove it. That the adults are no smarter than the children is the disturbing part. Though all this, apparently, took place outside of the classroom. Last I knew Cinco de Mayo is a Mexican holiday, not an American holiday. THAT is where the bullshit should have and needs to STOP!

Lucylastic -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 6:06:59 AM)
St Patricks day is an Irish celebration..so whats the difference are you saying that the Irish should not celebrate or use the irish flag? hmmm

thishereboi -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 6:07:29 AM)
quote: Last I knew Cinco de Mayo is a Mexican holiday, not an American holiday. THAT is where the bullshit should have and needs to STOP! You would not get a gold star in my school, though I would give you credit for knowing that it was a mexican holiday. Now if you could only understand that teaching a child about another country and their holidays does not take anything away from our own country, in fact it makes it stronger.

barelynangel -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 6:13:00 AM)
quote: This is the United States and its flag should be displayed with pride. This is the problem. People don't want to understand THIS is the United States of America. WE have a U.S. FLAG. Whenever it is displayed it should be displayed with pride. Its not comparable to any other flag when being flown in the U.S. What is this teaching the kid who was flying it, ohhhhh the American Flag is NOT that important, ohhhhh we have to be sensitive to other countries and not fly OUR flag when in OUR country. What the fuck are we teaching our kids? That other peoples' feelings about OUR flag should take priority when in OUR country? Personally, i don't give a damn about any other countries flag. This is NOT a contest nor is it about fairness. OUR flag should very damn well be placed above every other flag in the world when it is in OUR country. What the fuck is wrong with people. I don't care if these kids were made to take down another Country's Flag IN the U.S. They should be taught they are IN the U.S. and the flying of the American Flag IN THE U.S. is fine. Unbelievable. That anyone should remotely believe this was correct in any way. What the hell, we knock a kid down for displaying the U.S. Flag in the U.S. with pride. angel

stef -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 6:21:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim Last I knew Cinco de Mayo is a Mexican holiday, not an American holiday. THAT is where the bullshit should have and needs to STOP! There's the RacistJim we all know and love. We can only be allowed to have 'Merikan holidays or else we iz sidin' with the dirty furriners! ~stef

Lucylastic -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 6:24:55 AM)
intolerence and arrogance surely reign Stef bloody shame, thank god its not endemic

barelynangel -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 6:38:41 AM)
MAYBE just maybe if the AMERICAN people start having pride or respect of their own country, BECOMING A LITTLE MORE INTOLERANT, MAYBE just MAYBE that pride and respect will filter into all the BS and THE PEOPLE will because of their pride and respect of their COUNTRY will once again start making better choices and our leadership will start doing so. The U.S. has to stop cowering because of past issues and take a stand again. Otherwise, we will be the worlds whipping boy for years to come and our own internal country is going to continue suffering because that kind of lack of pride and respect filters down to each person. Its time to find some pride in ourselves and start earning back the respect of the world, and stomping on our own symbols and cowing to the world and becoming so tolerant we lose who we are in the process should NOT be an option. Damn straight we need to become intolerant and yes, find a little of that U.S Arrogance we have had over the last century -- not all of it but hell pride in our country would be nice. That's the problem, people don't give a fuck about AMERICA so they let this type of bullshit go passed. DAMN straight we should be intolerant of disrespect to our flag and yes our country IN OUR OWN DAMN COUNTRY. Damn people are you so cowed by our fuck ups that you have lost any sense of pride in ourselves and the U.S. Well hell, then we may as well lay down and give up. IN OUR OWN COUNTRY, we should be able to display our own damn flag and if it offends someone because they couldn't fly another countries flag at some point in some place in our country, to damn bad. This was a KID, my god folks do you not remember pictures of kids flying flags on their bikes, of having pride in the U.S. Flag when this country was actually something to be proud of? Are we really so far gone that we question a kid flying a U.S. Flag on his bike because some kids complained because they weren't allowed to fly another countries flag? In order for this Country to get back on its feet, it is going to have to start with the people of our country, remembering pride and remembering respect for our country. If we can't do that -- we don't respect ourselves, we we can't respect ourselves we will never have the power and determination to fix what went wrong in this country. Many people may speak of intolerance and arrogance but so what? Are we really at a place where we are willing to be so cowed that we allow disrespect of our own country symbols IN our own country? It isn't like this kid was in Mexico doing this, he was displaying his own country's flag in his OWN Country. Maybe we really do need to find intolerance again. Because we sure the fuck seem to be tolerating a whole hell of a lot lately and look where it got us, leaders who don't do the job, a national debt that is beyond crazy, citizens in major debt, no decisions being made, and people simply afraid of their own shadows. If that means we become intollerant of someone telling a kid not to display the U.S. FLAG on his bike after doing it for 2 months becuase its VETERAN'S WEEK, then damn straight i think we should become intollerant. We are tolerating to damn much that is simply bringing us down instead of up. Folks arrogance is a good thing when its based on self-confidence and pride in oneself, self esteem. Hell how many women say they love a Man who has arrogance with regard to what i said in the sentence before. We do need to find some intolerance AND arrogance again. I think the U.S. citizens are allowing too many other people to make them doubt themselves. Yeah, we are the U.S. There is nothing wrong having pride and arrogance in your own country. Have we used it correctly, maybe not, but we can again. But only if we realize that being intolerant and having arrogance isn't a BAD thing. angel

Lucylastic -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 6:53:46 AM)
yeah thats gonna work just wonderfully in another dimension maybebut not in the real world after all the US has done in the past 100 years drowning in intolerence and adding more layers is just gonna bury you Whats going to bring US back to it s "former glory" has to do with understanding that you are a nation of immigrants Attacking greed and selfishness would be a better start and that aint ever gonna happen but thanks for the funny

barelynangel -> RE: Denair Middle School Student Told to Remove Flag (11/15/2010 7:05:06 AM)
Just out of curiosity LucyLastic, what exactly has Canada done in the last 100 years except stay in the background? Hell most of the time i never hear anything about Canada, then one day i hear the country's name and i am like oh yeah that is a country in the world. Wonder where they have been. No we aren't a nation of IMMIGRANTS, we are a nation of AMERICANS. THAT is what people are missing the point on. Just because immigrants make up this country does NOT detract from the fact that WE ARE AMERICANS. THAT is what we are and THAT is what this country is. My family is from Poland, my mom was born on the boat. When my gramps got off that boat, he said i may be polish but i will be an American because i am in AMERICA. That is what has happened over the years, the immigrants have taken to forgetting that this is AMERICAN, and what they should be striving for is to become AMERICANS. That doesn't mean losing your home country, it means that it in fact does go on the back burner and you embrace your NEW country because it was YOUR choice to be here. This is the land of opportunity and many immigrants seem to believe that being an AMERICAN is not important. I am sorry but that is not only wrong but its disrespectful. America embraces immigrants a hell of a lot more than other countries do. But we shouldn't have to disregard what AMERICA is to do so. That's what this concept shows, that we somehow have to disregard AMERICA in order to make mexicans who want to fly mexico's flag in the U.S. and somehow that translated to the AMERICAN flag coming into question as to ITS being displayed. THAT is not correct. Its not even a comparison. Perhaps the rest of the world needs to stop telling the U.S. what we need to do because you know we actually have been doing what the rest of the world thinks we should be and it doesn't seem to be working all that great. There is a concept of INTOLERANCE that we do need to have, and that is an intolerance to losing what we are and always have been -- THE USA. There was an arrogance that we had that we were the respect of the world, the world loved US. Now, they don't. And no, it hasn't been over the last 100 years. Don't BS like that because we all know that isn't true. As i said there is a concept of intolerance and arrogance we always had that is gone now. And it shows in the American people. We need to find it again because this tolerance and kumbya crap of not wanting to offend people has made us lose ourselves. Now its up to us to find ourselves again because this cowering is getting old real fast. angel

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