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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/14/2010 11:28:18 PM   
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I can still clearly remember going to my first munch about ten years ago, I sat outside in my car for about 15 minutes and even contemplated turning around and going home. I was dressed in whatever I usually wear when going to a pub. I went inside and no one came by to greet me. I stood around nervously for about ten minutes and then spied the table with the kinksters and plucked up my courage and squeaked a hello to them and sat down. People said hi and continued their conversations and it was up to me to initiate some discussion with them.  Once I did this people were lovely and very welcoming.

I went to an event on the weekend and met a guy who was attending his first kink event ever and he was from interstate.  He didn't have a beard and wore a simple pair of black pants and a black shirt, no leather in sight.  He spent the entire night talking to different groups of people because he actually went up and introduced himself to strangers and initiated conversations. Hell he probably now knows more locals that I do

I get teased as being one of the most vanilla kinksters around and the only leather trench coat I have is hot pink...and yes, I do wear that to bdsm events sometimes. Some of the nicest people are the ones with the leather and whips and chains and studded collars but you do need to look past the outward trappings and get to know the people inside.

I wonder if you gave anyone a chance to get to know you or if you made a fairly quick judgment call and then left. How many conversations did you initiate? Did people still ignore you when you went up and introduced yourself, said this was your first munch and made a comment about the weather? (I swear, at that first munch I attended I had a list of topics to talk about memorised - the weather, football and the upcoming holidays)


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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/14/2010 11:59:11 PM   
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Just for the record, I would *totally* go up and speak to you, Miss Hot Pink Leather Trenchcoat with the Matching Hair.

Totally.

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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/15/2010 12:09:52 AM   
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Just for the record, I would *totally* go up and speak to you, Miss Hot Pink Leather Trenchcoat with the Matching Hair.

Totally.

grins... what would be even cooler Sunny is that we both know that we could look in each others handbags and find a book squirreled away


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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/16/2010 11:27:51 PM   
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Munches I've attended here in Australia have specified that people NOT wear fetish gear as the aim is to not be distinguishable as a group simply so no one is accidentally outed by being there. Most times we've just looked like a bunch of disparate people who might work at the same place out for a pleasant dinner and happy conversation! We've usually used black balloons on the table to ID us ... though it was hysterical the night no less than 5 tables had black balloons!! We had to quickly get less subtle and make a sign that said BO--Z which indicated our name without giving too much away as we knew we had some newbies coming along and didn't want them asking tricky questions of some other party. All was ok!

It certainly helps if the newbie has made contact with the hosts prior to the munch so we know to look out for them, the host will generally then greet you and introduce you to some folks to get you started. It can be difficult to interrupt conversations though it is important to remember what LadyP said, in most cases, people aren't planning to be rude, they are simply engaged with catching up with friends. It is up to the newbie to at least make some effort to say hi and sustain a conversation.

That said, the first bdsm group I went to outside My home state was more of a party in a club than a munch, and really wasn't great! I had let the hosts know I would be there with 2 sub boys I knew, had described us (and let's say, we didn't blend in with the crowd with our body shapes ... one of the boys was 6'4" and the other 5'2" LOL!), and we tried to get chatting with at least 5 different groups of people to absolutely no avail. What really troubled me was the very active bar, everyone just seemed interested in getting pissed and the smoke levels were horrendous too, no play was going on at the time, and the thought that this increasingly drunk lot would be TRYING to play later was just too awful. So after sticking it out for just over an hour, we gave up and left. Then went to a restaurant for some commiseration cake and had a fun time with the waiter as the boys were happy to not speak and let Me order and speak for them. Poor waiter was desperate to get them to speak up LOL!

So, not every munch will be great or with people you necessarily want to be involved with. Try again ... and do your homework if you can by contacting the hosts. It should pay off!

Maam Jay aka violet[A]

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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/17/2010 4:43:28 AM   
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I hope you'll excuse a new guy on here writing about his thoughts, but this particular topic bugs me.
I recently moved to my new home for work reasons and during the week I am a mild mannered, very busy engineer working for a highly respected company, and if you met me there you wouldn't think I was the sort of person that the Daily Mail warns you about.I don't even own a long leather coat or a Gothic style beard and my head isn't shaved. EEeeek !!! I know its shocking, I should be spanked.
So anyway come the first Tuesday of the month I went to check out the local munch at a pub near me, hoping for interesting people, friendly welcome and the rest of it, as it turned out there was no welcome, no body there I could relate to just a bunch of people in standard issue long leather coats and Gothic face fungus, so I left without further ado.It just seems strange there must be other people who like me have to at least pretend to be normal.
I am not sure what the question is but it just annoys me so I ranted a bit.


As the BDSM world is just another part of society, so it tends to follow that there are all sorts of different munches/parties/gatherings, etc. Some munches are great – you go along and there are people specifically “tasked” with making sure newbies aren’t left out in the cold (although I take and agree with LP’s point that, as the newcomer, it’s incumbent on the individual to make an effort), or there are just very gregarious people who’re more than happy to engage with newcomers. I’ve emailed thanks to several people over the years for being so welcoming and engaging when attending a munch for the first time.

On other occasions I've seen it go completely the other way; nasty-minded little cliques, intent only on sitting around, sneering at newcomers. In my experience Doms are often the worst for this; I don't know why, but some of them (well, some of “us” I guess I should say) seem to think it’s “un-domly” to have the courtesy to go speak to a newbie. I have a dom mate who has a theory that some doms label themselves that way because they're not good at communication, and thus being their "type" of dominant means they think they don't have to communicate with others other than at the point of a cane. Not sure I agree entirely, but it’s a point of view.

My personal funniest was one where it wasn't that the room was anti- me, more that there were 3 distinct groups/cliques, all of whom seemed to hate each other with a passion. So they’d sit in 3 different corners of a pub’s snug area, glowering at each other. I went up to each clique in turn and introduced myself, and they were reasonably friendly – give it a 6/10 on the “friendly” scale. However, as soon as I then went to talk to another of the cliques I was warned off “them”, coz “they're arseholes”. Except all 3 cliques were pretty much the same. Honestly, it was more like a crèche than a munch

As a couple of ideas; not sure where you are, location-wise, but have you been to one of the bigger fetish fairs/markets/etc? Being bigger it’s easier to “lose” yourself in a crowd, and you can often strike up pleasant conversations with people where they often then recommend munches they attend; that way a) you’re more confident it won’t be a nightmare coz you've had a recommendation and b) when you do go you'll have one or more people to talk to that you already know.

Also, if you're going to a larger munch (and I find the better attended ones tend to be less cliquey, if only because there’s too many numbers to really gang together) then it’s sometimes nice to say so on that munch’s bulletin board or local section, maybe by asking for directions, thinking about going, etc. Often you’ll find people then pipe up and say “oh I’ll be going and I’ll be wearing X so come talk to me and I’ll introduce you” or similar.

I haven't been to munches for a long time now, for various reasons, but again I agree with LP that it’s as much down to you to reach out to people as it is for them to reach out to you. But if you make the effort and it’s rejected then what you're dealing with is possibly a “munch in decline”, and it most likely won’t be around for too much longer anyway – in my experience the cliquey talking-shops tend to die out, for obvious reasons.

Lastly, turning to the “normal” thing – again, as BDSM is a broad church, so it follows that there are as many different “types” as there are individuals; some munches have lots of people who like to dress up, others are very “stealth”. It’s a question of finding one that suits you, and that sometimes takes a little time and effort. What I would say is that I've met some smashing people at munches over the years (many of whom could be categorised as distinctly “odd”), some of whom I still correspond with today, even though I've left the area. But if you persist and find a decent munch that suits you, you'll find many of the “non-normal” folk are actually perfectly “normal” underneath. Vive la difference and all that.

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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/17/2010 12:10:29 PM   
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I'm being presumptious here but your from Crawley and I just looked up the Crawley munch.

It talks about them being a friendly bunch and welcoming newcomers and it also states 'Strictly vanilla clothing'

I don't think of matrix coats as anything more than vanilla. At my local munch, which is also strictly vanilla clothing, people turned up in latex, PVC and school uniforms. Now that does piss me off because its right on my doorstep and I don't need others advertising on my behalf. For that reason alone, I hardly ever go.
As far as them not being friendly, that doesn't surprise me. If its the munch I think it is, it has a reputation for being very cliquey and unwelcoming.

Give the Farnborough munch a go. Its on a Saturday afternoon, is very friendly and you won't see any suspicious clothing.
Guildfords a no because its on a Wednesday lunchtime and only gets about 4 people tops.
West London munch is worth looking out for. Its very busy and I think its friendly but then I know most of them. If you want an introduction into the club scene, the West London munch is the place to go.
Putney isn't too far away from you and that's another big munch and very friendly. http://www.putneymunch.org.uk/
You could also try the LAM (London Alternative Market) http://www.londonalternativemarket.com/

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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/17/2010 12:23:44 PM   
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I've definitely found that in my area (I'm sure others are different) that the people who go to the BDSM events tend to be "rebel with out a cause" types... I can't guess what their actual intentions are but there seems to be a lot of trying to be different just to be different.

I dunno..I find it to be sort of off-putting. I mean, we do have some things in common, but it doesn't extend too far past BDSM.

What I have found (and this may not be an option for you) is that when I am more open with my friends and potential friends about my interests, I've been surprised by how many people I know that have those leanings too. They were just secret kinky.

I dunno if that helps at all, but that's what has worked best for my boyfriend and I.

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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/17/2010 12:38:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz
Putney isn't too far away from you and that's another big munch and very friendly. http://www.putneymunch.org.uk/
You could also try the LAM (London Alternative Market) http://www.londonalternativemarket.com/


I'd second both of those.

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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/17/2010 12:45:08 PM   
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quote:

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Putney isn't too far away from you and that's another big munch and very friendly. http://www.putneymunch.org.uk/
You could also try the LAM (London Alternative Market) http://www.londonalternativemarket.com/


I'd second both of those.


Do we know each other?!?!


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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/17/2010 12:53:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz


quote:

ORIGINAL: RapierFugue


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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz
Putney isn't too far away from you and that's another big munch and very friendly. http://www.putneymunch.org.uk/
You could also try the LAM (London Alternative Market) http://www.londonalternativemarket.com/


I'd second both of those.


Do we know each other?!?!



I've no idea, since I don't know ...er ... if I know you

I'm not a regular at either events, but I've been to both a couple of times, and found both to be fun, and the munch especially to be friendly, and full of people more than happy to chat and mingle. I'm not a "munchy"/"sceney" sort of bloke, but I would think anyone would find a warm welcome at either venue, from my experiences there.

I live about a mile from the old LAM venue at the Clapham Grand. No idea if that's where it still is, since it's about 2 years since I last went.

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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/17/2010 2:15:27 PM   
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I loved the Grand but things move on. Its now at a Bar 242 on Blackfriars Rd, SE1

Mike runs the Putney munch and he has to be one of the friendlier guys on the scene. One of the reasons its been such a success and spoken well about, is because he's prepared to works it.

I think its quite a nerve wracking thing to walk into a new munch on your own, especially if its your first munch. Its unforgivable for munch runners to advertise a friendly attitude towards newcomers, only to ignore them when they bother to turn up.


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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/17/2010 2:29:50 PM   
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I loved the Grand but things move on. Its now at a Bar 242 on Blackfriars Rd, SE1

Mike runs the Putney munch and he has to be one of the friendlier guys on the scene. One of the reasons its been such a success and spoken well about, is because he's prepared to works it.

I think its quite a nerve wracking thing to walk into a new munch on your own, especially if its your first munch. Its unforgivable for munch runners to advertise a friendly attitude towards newcomers, only to ignore them when they bother to turn up.


Oh is it? Shame! I loved The Grand ... I once saw Jack Bruce there, would you believe. In concert, not at LAM, lest he sues.

This night - oh, how I love Google:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/rock--returning-to-bass-in-the-sixties-jack-bruce-helped-cream-to-30-million-record-sales-now-the-singer-and-bass-player-is-back-with-his-own-band-giles-smith-met-him-1541322.html

.. one of the most stunning gigs I've ever seen.

Oh, and Marillion. Ah, those were the days ...

You make a good point though; good munches work because good people make them work. Without someone prepared to put the effort in, they end up in "gothic face fungus" territory, as yer maun would have it.

It is certainly a little daunting to turn up into a group of strangers but, when all's said and done, we're all adults, and supposed to command our own destiny, or as much of it as Master/Mistress says we can, in some cases. Ball up your fear, folks, walk right in, be yourself, and don't expect everything on a plate.

Carpe diem. Or, if you have too much to drink, carpe carpet.

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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/17/2010 5:55:48 PM   
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I've been to a number of munches and play parties etc and mostly came away with a feeling of "Yikes; this is the greater lifestyle I belong to...?"

This.

Honestly, I've given up on this community, including collarme, so many times only to receive a compliment or an e-mail to the effect of "wow, you understand what real life BDSM is about SO WELL" that I am honestly confused as to my place in this.


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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/17/2010 7:58:01 PM   
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As being pretty new to this, I found this thread gave me alot of food for thought. When I get brave enough to go, and I want to, I will have an idea of seeing if I would be a good fit or not, like the how is everyone dressed(not harsh on that), the alcohol consumption,......

I read somewhere that the first couple of real sentences you say can make you interesting or not. Hmm I'll have to think on a couple of things. Might make a good thread to see what newcomers could come up with to make themselves noticed and an easier transition into the group. And some input from the active members would be great.

Also humor and easygoingness is a big factor I would think. Might as well relax if your in with an open mind.

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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/17/2010 8:20:29 PM   
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Hey subjeremy

Well I'm back from my first munch at a group I hadn't met before....
Very nice assortment of folks, I appreciated that folks were very discreet--we all looked remarkably "unremarkable", that is, no leather trenchcoats and facial "fungi".  I felt very warm and welcomed.

Interestingly enough, it was a rainy night, and the women all canceled, so it was the Hostess and the rest men. (I think all subs)  Everyone was quite friendly and interesting--there was one gentleman who didn't utter a word all night, don't know if he was just shy or what the story was, but everyone else was very nice.

Try another munch or a different group, or the same group on a different night--maybe you just got a bum deal that one night. Don't give up!

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RE: Pretending to be normal ;-) - 11/17/2010 8:24:18 PM   
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Try another munch or a different group, or the same group on a different night--maybe you just got a bum deal that one night. Don't give up!


Nice post. Glad you got it together to go. Top job.

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