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FirmhandKY -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/2/2006 1:35:31 PM)

Hint.

Angry Profiles.

This addresses a lot of the stuff said by many posters.  The list of "do's, don'ts, must, must nots" that often make their want into anyone's profile, but especially (in this thread) a submissives.

To me, it's not what you say as much as how you say it.  If you come across as angry, shrill and hostile, it's a turn-off, pure and simple.

I know that many women get really, really tired of some of the things pulled on them, the way that some men try to take advantage of them, the way some men can't communicate very well ...

But - come on - we didn't make you female.  We didn't make you submissive.  We didn't make you post a profile on CM.  We don't all send stupid emails, and act like morons.

When you project hostility, all you are doing is driving off the very type of man that you say you want.  It's a feedback loop, and goes down into a spiral of dispair, anger and negativity.

If that's what you really want ... fine. 

So how do you make sure your profile doesn't come across as shrill, angry, bossy and extermely "un-sub" like?

Write it up, and don't post it.  Stay away from CM for a day - or two - and go out and take a walk.  Breath deeply a few times, and read your proposed profile after it has sat a day or two.  Try to put yourself in the place of the type of man you are seeking, and try to see through his eyes (hell, if you are a submissive, that's a skill you BETTER learn). 

If you still don't feel like you have a good gripe on it, then you might consider some other possiblities.

1. Post to the forum, asking for advice (and be prepared for both negative and positive comments).

2.  Review other sub profiles - and it will take a lot of reviewing - until you find a couple that impress you.  Model (do NOT steal) your profile on theirs.

3.  Email those profiles that you like, and ask if they would be willing to give you some advice.

Now,  emails and asking someone for advice may not get you the reply that you wish.  I've been asked a couple of times, and depending on personal issues, and other things, sometimes I may give feedback, sometimes I might not.  Do not take offense if you ask someone and they decline. It's their decision, and, if you get a "no thanks", consider it a lesson in how to handle being a submissive.

FHky




meatcleaver -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/2/2006 2:53:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

So she wants some smuck to pay all the bills and wants to run his life with passive-aggressive whining and threats while firmly gripping him by his shorties..sounds very much like a majority of conventional women. What I don't understand is why don't women like the below simply use eHarmony or match.com to find their "Prince". I can't see men who as a general rule damn near make a fetish out of their own independence putting up with that bullshit. It doesn't seem like rocket science to me.

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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

And again...

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Update: Im still paddling along, I've decided to give up on the getting fit idea - so all chocolates and packets of crisps gratefully accepted hehehehe


Great! Everyone loves a quitter!

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I am looking for someone to completely enfold my life, treat me well and I will hand you my soul. Treat me badly and I have the ability to rip your head off and sh*t down your neck.


Yeah, that's not too passive-aggressive or anything...

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My soul is precious to me so please tread carefully...I am clever and articulate and will NOT be treated like a mindless idiot....


But...but...but...you REALLY come across like a mindless idiot.

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...it will save me the job of having to sh*t down your neck.


Where have I heard this before...?

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Ohhh and all that said, I'm a really nice person!


Cool, because it's really hard to tell from all of the threats to shit down people's necks.

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3) I have young children, they don't need a new grandad and neither do I (No OAPs please).
4) I wont be your live in maid, I look wonderful in the outfit but I can't and will not cook and clean.


Okay, so I am your sugar-daddy and you provide no services in return. Here, why don't I just write you a check and we can skip the relationship?

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7) Ohhhhh and im still a nice person MUWAHHHH xxxx


Um...what's your evidence? Shitting down people's decapitated necks?



Precisely. With a marriage behind me and two daughters, I really don't want to be some knight in shining armour bringing home the bacon every week to be bitched at that I don't pay her enough attention after working my rocks off all day.

I'm in pretty good condition for my age and while I wouldn't say I'm the most handsome man on the planet, I'm certainly far from being the ugliest. I've had a good education and my wallet is thick enough and I have a pretty good life style. I'm not going to give that up for someone who over values herself and wants to bleed me dry.

I'm in the life style for good company, intellectual discourse and KINK. If I wanted anything else I would spend my time elsewhere and not at kink venues.


Having reread this profile in full and in a better frame of mind, I love it, I think it is wacky and very funny and chaingang has missed the point. It's humour!




Chaingang -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/2/2006 3:02:27 PM)

No, I "get" it. I consider it moronic.




Veryfewcan -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/2/2006 3:18:58 PM)

Be true to thy ownself.....works everytime.




givemyall -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/2/2006 3:45:12 PM)

Thank you Meatcleaver, it is very kind of you to re-address your earlier comment.


To everyone else who has commented about the quotes from my profile.......

I have read the messages on this thread with interest.  I agree with alot of the comments made regarding the parts of the profile that had been quoted - it was very clever of chaingang to pick out certain parts that would make the profile seem to belong to a moaning, freeloading bitch, but perhaps before any further comments are made, it maybe an idea to read the whole profile and journals and see that it was written very tongue in cheek - and also with a very English sense of humour.  (so its a little mad to say the least - sorry about that! lol)

But to set the record straight - I don't need for anyone to bring the 'bacon' home - I think a nice way of stating my position, would be 'very financially stable'.  I achieved that situation by hard work - not off the back of a partner or a Dom.

I make it very clear in my journals that I am not capable at this time in my life to commit to a 24/7 D/s relationship, however this does not mean that I am looking for a husband - I have been in this lifestyle for many many years - I dont actually remember a time when I was in a complete vanilla relationship - to me that just isnt an option - but not all of us need to shout it from the rooftops trying to convince anyone that will listen..... I am very happy with who I am and what I do.

I do find it interesting however, that the person that has decided to spread my profile around the forums in such a nasty manner, is somebody who has absolutely nothing written on his - its blank - I think that speaks volumes. 

I didn't want to write publicly, as I am content with who and what I am, but I feel that I have a right to put my point forward.  Chaingang, please do not reply to this, I'm not interested that you think my profile is'moronic' - what matters to me, is that I enjoyed writing it and I enjoy reading the mail off people telling me how much fun they had reading it... it's there to cause a chuckle - im sorry if you are offended by this. If you want to be the champion of the 'moronic' profile cause, you will be quoting profiles for a long time to come, but feel free. Maybe your time would be better taken up by writing a profile yourself and showing everyone else where they are going wrong.   But as far as I am concerned, I think you have said and done enough, dont you!  

Claire




RavenMuse -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 12:38:56 AM)

Well some folks round here seem to think I have at least a little taste and as one of the, no doubt many, who have dropped you a note in the past remarking on the fact that something in your journal made me laugh, I hardly think you come across as moronic, at least to anyone with the mental capacity to spot the humour. If they don't 'get it' thats their problem!




Chaingang -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 12:55:33 AM)

givemyall:

I once wrote a "funny" profile and showed it to a female friend of mine. She told me it was extremely funny and that she actually laughed aloud reading it. When I asked her if she thought I should post it "as is" or if it needed further editing she looked at me for several moments without saying a word. When she spoke at last she replied that while she thought it was funny, she couldn't see herself ever replying to a funny profile no matter how good it was. Her point was that there were simply too many other serious, real world considerations to weigh to give any kind of preferential treatment to a significantly frivolous description. I saw her point and have never posted that profile anywhere.

YMMV.




RavenMuse -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 1:51:21 AM)

Chaingang,
Thats your opinion fine, just accept that it ain't a profile aimed at you and move on. Speaking from personal experience, given the young lady comes up in my local search, it caught my eye, I saw and enjoyed the humour and yes, it got a contact mail (The only reason it wasn't one looking for something more is physical location as we are not exactly 'local' to each other) and I indeed found a very sweet, bright and funny girl on the other end of the conversation.

It may not work for you bud, but it can and does work. You set your bait as to what you're fishin' for!




Chaingang -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 2:06:55 AM)

This thread is really just my own reply to the "other" thread that you shall find if you look for it. I don't actually have a problem with anyone doing whatever they wish to do. givemyall owes me absolutely zero by way of explanation. She doesn't even have to defend her profile if she thinks its cool as is. One thing I will say is that she has plenty of very attractive photos and I was personally surprised to see that someone had complained to her about being overweight - which wasn't my take on her at all. Anyone that thinks givemyall should lose weight should have their head examined for holes.

My point again is that humor is basically aggressive and frivolous no matter how you turn it around. I don't think she serves her best interests with that kind of approach. But hey, I am not the boss of her. Far from it.

FirmhandKY gets what I was after. Just scroll to the top of page 7 and read it.




RavenMuse -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 3:00:33 AM)

Don't much care what you 'where after' friend, as you say yourself you aren't in a position to tell her she is wrong given she doesn't wear your collar. I simply gave a diffrent perspective, one from the type of Dom she does appeal too with that approach, eye catching, full of personality, witty and if you look beneath the surface, rather sweet and caring. The other thing that could be at work here of course, is cultural diffrence, humour definatly has problems crossing the pond and what is clear in her profile to me and many other Brits might be simply passing you by,

Too right about the weight comment BTW, don't know about other folks but I like a bit of meat on my bone (double entandre ment of course) curves are good and I don't find stick insects particularly attractive. She is just curvy enought in ALL the right places (And yes, I know we are probably making her blush[:D])




Chaingang -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 3:52:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse
I simply gave a diffrent perspective, one from the type of Dom she does appeal too with that approach...


There's no accounting for taste, eh?




texasbutterfly -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 4:17:40 AM)

as a newbie to these boards and this lifestyle i must say i understand your point. i was very confused by the sub profiles that were so demanding. it is just not in me to do that.  hence, my profile is blank because i have not figured out what to say yet. i promise not to list a bunch of i won't do this or i won't do that when i do finally get around to posting it.  hopefully it will be intelligent and a true picture of who i am.




Chaingang -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 4:35:41 AM)

TexasButterfly:

I like to quote Edith Piaf who once said something like this:
"Use your faults, use your defects - then you're going to be a star."

So be yourself. Tell someone what it is you have to offer them. If you must make a list, let it be of the kinds of characteristics that you seek in another. Be positive. Be hopeful. The details can be worked out later.

Nectar attracts the bees.




texasbutterfly -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 5:21:14 AM)

thanks for the advice, Chaingang. i have had it several times now.  the problem i am having is trying to figure out who my true self is.  right now i am a work in progress.  i do know that it is just not in me to come right out of the gate and start spouting what my demands are. i am a submissive, and for me, that means bowing so anothers needs before mine.  that may be an incorrect way of looking at things but it is how i see it.




LaTigresse -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 11:01:09 AM)

Welllllll givemyall, I just stumbled across this thread and then of course I had to read your profile and MY personal opinion is that your profile is EXACTLY the type of profile that interests me. Anyone that would have an issue with it is either totally without a sense of humour OR so seriously insecure that anyone not promising to agree with every word they utter and action they commit is a threat to their Domdom ( I wonder, is that a word or did I just make it up...) I personally enjoy a bit of a challenge and if a person does not have a sense of humour then they would do best to just avoid my presence altogether.




FirmhandKY -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 3:23:35 PM)

I have to admit, I had stumbled across givemyall's profile before it became an issue and absolutely loved it.  I ogled her photos, I laughed at her comments, and I enjoyed her journal entries.

Except for the fact that she was across the ocean, I would have immediately tried to contact her.  In fact, had she been local, I would have contacted her based solely on her written words, had she had no photos at all.  I guess I'm one of the few that find a sense of humor both sexy and absolutely essential in the people I share my life with.

FHky






FirmhandKY -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 3:32:16 PM)

Preface.  This was written before I had read the posts about givemyall's profile.

Hint:

Artistic Profiles.

Everyone's definition of what is "artistic" varies widely, and I'm not trying to make any judgements on the esthetic values of whatever you consider artistic.  So, the normal caveats: these are just my opinions, based on my experience, and there are always exceptions and people who will see everything different.  YMMV.

But in this environment, I would consider something "artistic" in the same way I consider some McDonald's ads "artistic".  The art should serve a very specific and important function: selling yourself to just the type of man you are seeking.

And no, I don't want to get into a discussion about whether you are "selling yourself" or just putting yourself out there, like honey hoping to attract bees.  If you have a profile with anything on it in hopes of making a connection, you are advertising and "selling" something.  In this case, yourself.  Argue all you what with others or with yourself, but I'll likely not respond to any discussion on that point.

And like any good ad, it is not only the content that is important, it is the format as well.  

What I mean by "artistic" profiles are primarily those profiles that attempt to make a statement using a non-standard use of words (poetry, usually but not exclusively), visual effects (photos, color and text formatting) as well as nick-names and the overall style.

A humorous profile, in this definition, could also be considered "artistic"

Two big warnings:

1.  Artistic profiles, even when "wildly" successful, will confuse many, be too much for some, and ignored by others.  It will reduce your response rate.  But if you are looking to pinpoint market to a very complementary type of Dom - they are excellent vehicles.

2.  Artistic profiles are very, very difficult to do well, and will backfire on you if not done carefully and with a lot of thought.  If you don't really have a lot of talent or experience in ALL aspects of form, color, and the written word, tread very carefully.

One of the main purposes of any profile should be clarity.  Most artistic profiles flunk this test, because some women feel that a bunch of different colors for the text and background make things "more" attractive and attention getting.  

In reality, the majority of the artistic profiles that attempt to be non-standard simply cause me to skip them.  I don't pretend to be an expert on form and color, but I do know some things.

Contrast should be good between the text color, and the background, and appealing.  Chartreuse and shit-green simply do not present a very good appearance, and has been known to cause some color sensitive people to lose their lunch.  I even saw one profile where the submissive was able to incorporate html color commands to change the color layout of the portions of the page outside of her profile.  Ugly would be a generous assessment.

Another thing that makes me shake my head are some of the unreadable and horrendous fonts, text alignment and word spacing.  How many men have seen a woman's profile where everything she has written in the text box is center justified?  Sentences are chopped off from line to line, and reading is a chore.  Please ... if you aren't ee cummings, right or left justify.

Speaking of ee cummings, did I mention punctuation?  The purpose of punctuation is to make things easier to read and understand.  Yes, you can sometimes use it for visual or emotional effect, but multiple exclamation marks and the use of a lot of smilies simply clutter and confuse.

Poetry deserves a special place in purgatory, most of the time, especially multiple, long poems that convey the same impression and feelings, over and over again.  Most of the time, the impression and feelings that are suppose to be given are not the same ones that are received.  My impression is usually "full of herself" or pretentious.

No, don't get me wrong.  There is some very good poetry out there.  I've seen it.  Just ... come on ... if done well, a single poem will get your message across and be attractive to the kind of man that likes that stuff.  Having a few poems in reserve will give you both something to chat about, and trade in a few emails.  Spare the rest of us.  Please.

The use of humor (especially sarcasm) is also dangerous, but can also instantly cause a connection and the desire to communicate.  Depending on how your humor is interpreted, the desire to communicate can mean either a flame or a funny email in response.  It also is a very effective way (in my opinion only) to separate the men who have a sense of humor and a sense of proportion, and those who don't.  

But even a man with a sense of humor may wonder about your mental stablity if you are really outrageous or over the top.  But like anything else, if you are pinpoint marketing, humor is an excellent way to sift out those men that you aren't interested in.

Now, that was a lot of negative stuff, but I also want to say that I've seen some very effective "artistic" profiles out there.  Probably the best, I've seen mentioned in the forums before, from a 30 year old woman from Wisconsin.  Her profile is still online, but she apparently has had a bad experience recently and has taken down most of her profile, and changed the short poetry fragments that were there.

But when it was complete, it was the best example of an artistic profile that I have ever seen.  Her entire written portion was about 5 sentence fragments, conveying a very specific idea, with excellent use of color, form, punctuation and emotional words.  Each of her 15 photos were evocative and classy and invoked an emotional response.  Overall, I couldn't see how any man - or woman for that matter - could not have been touched.

But really, profiles like that are an exception, and my recommendation is to tread very carefully and if in doubt, be conservative.

FHky




LaTigresse -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 3:33:59 PM)

Awww to heck with conservative!!! Weeds out the wankers!




Chaingang -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 3:52:17 PM)

What we male Doms should really do is create a "secret" msn list and blackball the female subs we dislike. Or did you not know this is exactly what the ladies here do?

But...shhhhh...keep it "secret"...

Actually, I would want no part of any such list - just a heads up to those not knowing. Women not only bitch, they gossip as if it was their lifeblood. I've known about those lists for a while now. It's very tedious that people think they can go by rumours alone.




RavenMuse -> RE: A "hint" for "subs" looking for Doms... (5/3/2006 4:02:32 PM)

Well thats one way to rationalise why no-one seems to want to talk to you [;)]




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