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What about RomneyCare? - 11/14/2010 9:29:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		With all this talk about ObamaCare,I wonder how RomneyCare and ObamaCare simliar to each other.What's the difference bewteen the 2 plan's?Remember,Romney was a fellow Republican as his plan was signed into law.Where's all the outrage with him?Obama get's slammed everytime for his plan.

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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/15/2010 5:37:00 AM   
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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/15/2010 2:45:51 PM   
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Where's all the outrage with him?



Ohh believe me, there are plenty of us that were and are pissed about Romneycare. It's failing miserably.

ETA: Here is a letter from our former State Treasurer, who happens to be a Democrat, and his take on Romneycare.
Also of note: only 38% of Massachusetts residents believe that rRomneycare is a success according to the CATO institute.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/OpEd-Contributor/Romneycare_s-failure-teaches-need-to-repeal-Obamacare-89167427.html

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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/15/2010 3:27:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Romneycare is one of the reasons that Romney didn't get the republican nomination. He tried to defend it but couldn't. It is also the reason he will not get the nomination if he runs in 2012.

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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 9:27:06 AM   
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With all this talk about ObamaCare,I wonder how RomneyCare and ObamaCare simliar to each other.What's the difference bewteen the 2 plan's?Remember,Romney was a fellow Republican as his plan was signed into law.Where's all the outrage with him?Obama get's slammed everytime for his plan.



Oh don't worry about Romney, he won't get the nod as he's a "Mormon." The left will be all over him for that!
Hey, wait a minute, isn't Harry Reid a Mormon too?
I'd absolutely LOVE to see Sara Palin get the nomination!
The leftist's little heads will start exploding!
"Sara PALIN!!! "KA-BOOM!!!"
"Sarah Palin leading Barry by 60% to 40%!" "KA-BOOM!!!, KA-BOOM!!!, KA-BOOM!!!" "OH the H-U-M-A-N-I-T-Y!!!"
In places like Boston, NYC, San Francisco it'll look like "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow." Headless leftists everywhere!

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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 9:46:10 AM   
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I suppose you could investigate the artifact brain matter, and if you find none, then it is a rightist.

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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 11:50:31 AM   
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Where's all the outrage with him?

Ohh believe me, there are plenty of us that were and are pissed about Romneycare. It's failing miserably.

ETA: Here is a letter from our former State Treasurer, who happens to be a Democrat, and his take on Romneycare.
Also of note: only 38% of Massachusetts residents believe that rRomneycare is a success according to the CATO institute.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/OpEd-Contributor/Romneycare_s-failure-teaches-need-to-repeal-Obamacare-89167427.html
mbmbn

You are absolutely correct. How is it people still refuse to believe that we are here to make some fuck'n money.

I don't care who pays me $1,500 for that $100 MRI, or who pays me $3 for that 3 cent pill, or who pays me $12,000 for that unnecessary by-pass. It could be Medicare, Medicaid or Romneyfuckingcare or...it could be you, makes no difference to me. I am here to make money anyway I can and no matter who pays for it...you just better damn well pay for it...or your kids, or their kids...or...

America...No. 1 in health care...bankruptcies.


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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 1:44:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read that letter about Romneycare.It seem's RomneyCare was just a test for Obamacare.So really,Obamacare is just Romneycare,except on a federal level now.

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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 2:06:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since health care in MA is some of the costliest in the country, you can only imagine what Romneycare would cost on a national level.

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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 3:11:18 PM   
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I read that letter about Romneycare.It seem's RomneyCare was just a test for Obamacare.So really,Obamacare is just Romneycare,except on a federal level now.



Noooo Charles. Romeycare came to be in 2006. Obama started his campaign for Presidency in 2007. There was no concerted effort on the part of the Massachusetts legislators to be test dummies for a guy who hadn't even announced his bid for POTUS, let alone his agenda for Healthcare reform.

I would say that Obama and the Congress were using Romneycare as a " map " for their Federal Program. And as you can see by that article, and I can attest to, being a Mass. resident, it's a nightmare.

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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 3:18:34 PM   
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I'd absolutely LOVE to see Sara Palin get the nomination!
The leftist's little heads will start exploding!
"Sara PALIN!!! "KA-BOOM!!!"
"Sarah Palin leading Barry by 60% to 40%!" "KA-BOOM!!!, KA-BOOM!!!, KA-BOOM!!!" "OH the H-U-M-A-N-I-T-Y!!!"
In places like Boston, NYC, San Francisco it'll look like "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow." Headless leftists everywhere!


I would love to see her get the nomination too.

It would assure a Democratic landslide.

But you need to check your numbers there Popeye, because she has a far lower approval rating than Obama.

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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 3:30:35 PM   
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This thread appears to miss an important distinction. Massachusetts' plan is implemented at the State level....they had a choice. Obamacare is a Federal mandate that overrides the desires and needs of the individual States.Anything that is wrong in the Mass plan doesnt destine 49 other states to the same problems.

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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 3:44:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe,you are right.Obama wasn't more than a thought when Romneycare was signed into law,It is clear though,that Obamacare has been following the Romneycare model.Willbe,clearly Maybe dosen't seem too fond of Romneycare.There's probaly alot of people in Mass who didn't want Romneycare,but now they have it.... I do think Mass is probaly a good state to follow as to see how well Obamacare will be working.

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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 3:53:58 PM   
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This thread appears to miss an important distinction. Massachusetts' plan is implemented at the State level....they had a choice. Obamacare is a Federal mandate that overrides the desires and needs of the individual States.Anything that is wrong in the Mass plan doesnt destine 49 other states to the same problems.


You know Willbeur, I could almost agree with you if Republicans were consistent on the issue, but they are not.

You want to pick and choose.

States' rights meant nothing to Republicans when the U.S. Supreme Court overrode the Florida Supreme Court in its decision to
order a recount in the 2000 Presidential election.

States' rights meant nothing when the Republican Congress tried to take away jurisdiction from the local courts in the Terri Schiavo case.


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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 6:18:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		As someone who still maintains a residence in MA... the only thing I like about the MA plan is that everyone can get coverage, no waiting periods, no pre-existing exclusions, no 20 page health histories where you must recall every sniffle and fart for the last 10 years or else no policy and no interview to grill you to make sure you have not left out one zit or one headache. It is real simple, sign up, pay premium, get coverage. That may be the only piece that we need on a national level in this country, a guarantee that EVERY single person can just sign up, pay premiums, get coverage including no waiting periods and no pre-existing exclusions.

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

Where's all the outrage with him?



Ohh believe me, there are plenty of us that were and are pissed about Romneycare. It's failing miserably.

ETA: Here is a letter from our former State Treasurer, who happens to be a Democrat, and his take on Romneycare.
Also of note: only 38% of Massachusetts residents believe that rRomneycare is a success according to the CATO institute.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/OpEd-Contributor/Romneycare_s-failure-teaches-need-to-repeal-Obamacare-89167427.html

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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 7:17:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Agreed, Being Chewsie. I wuold add portability to that plan and I think we could call it a day on healthcare reform.

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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 7:24:46 PM   
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Haven't heard a lot of griping about it.

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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 7:25:00 PM   
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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/16/2010 7:27:24 PM   
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Since health care in MA is some of the costliest in the country, you can only imagine what Romneycare would cost on a national level.


We will probably find out before too long.


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RE: What about RomneyCare? - 11/17/2010 12:55:02 AM   
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Since health care in MA is some of the costliest in the country, you can only imagine what Romneycare would cost on a national level.


We will probably find out before too long.


Mass Health doesnt cost as much to coverage 99% of the citizenry, as the private health care companies (to coverage a much smaller number). How much would it cost a private company to provide services on the scale of Mass Health? How high would the rate have to be? How much control would you, the ordinary citizen have, to regulated which programs you can get accesss to, to best support your health?

Funny that I have more control over my health coverage, then most of my friends who have insurance through private companies. I pay a lot less then all of them. I have no problem, that my taxes go to pay for Mass Health. I've seen with my own eyes, the terrible conditions people endure. And to do that without health coverage is simply stunning. People should not have to worry about money, when their child suffers from a condition that if left untreated, will shorten their life. Yet, with decent coverage, that child can overcome the health issue in a few months or years. Apparently, conservatives really are, THAT, selfish. And uncompassionate. And uncaring. And unwise.

But for conservatives, this, like EVERY other subject, is a zero-sum game. Its a no brainer to me, that we should have a program/system in place to help Americans get coverage for health care. Even those who work 40 hours/week, may not get health coverage through their employeer, but could, through the goverment. I've known many blue-collar workers in the trade fields that are in this boat. When a family member has an accident, they are literally S.O.L! Do you conservatives REALLY, have THAT much hatred of your fellow Americans? That you delight and enjoy their misery and suffering on a daily basis?

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