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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 8:26:11 AM   
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I have a small bit of gold.  For the common man- silver is more doable. So silver is what I buy.  I stack it and forget about it.     (I tried food storage- but do not have a nack for it) IMO it does not hurt to have a well stocked house.

Thanks for the shout.     :-)



For sure. You don't even have to believe in apocalyptic stuff for that, a good tornado or earthquake'll have you grateful.


Elisa,   the system does tell us everything they do and intend to do.   You simply must focus to hear the message.    They DO tell us.

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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 8:36:48 AM   
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Elisa,   the system does tell us everything they do and intend to do.   You simply must focus to hear the message.    They DO tell us.



Yeah like this thread topic...all it boils down to is that all land within US borders is considered US soil, subject to US law (with exceptions made for reservations) and there's really nothing nefarious about that.

The absolute ownership RO is talking about is like the medieval idea of independent dukedoms, only on a micro-scale. He's talking about voluntary association with the US government (what would that even be, if there's no such thing as US soil outside of national parks?) although I don't think he'd like needing his passport stamped to pull out of his driveway in Realonia onto an American road.

The alternative simply is not viable. It would be chaotic for landowners and oppressive for non-landowners. It's not a 'feudal state' in any historic sense, you might as well call it a commune because everyone contributes to the general upkeep.

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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 8:43:00 AM   
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feudal state' in any historic sense/snip

care to surmise on robo signers and the fraudulent foreclosures?

Which the sheriff of your hometown just put on hold.. Dart may be the only sheriff in the country to have done so.

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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 8:46:18 AM   
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Foreclosure mess prompts growing number of public officials to slow down process
One month ago, the city of Chicago and the surrounding suburbs of Cook County became a foreclosure-free zone. It wasn't the banks or judges that instituted the moratorium, because they were still moving cases forward at a rapid clip. The holdup was elsewhere: at the sheriff's office. Sheriff Thomas J. Dart, whose office is responsible for physically evicting delinquent homeowners, announced Oct. 19 that his deputies would "no longer be doing the banks' work for them anymore." "I can't possibly be expected to evict people from their homes when the banks themselves can't say for sure everything was done properly," he explained.


After reading about problems such as banks "robo-signing" foreclosure documents without verifying their accuracy, Dart asked that attorneys for mortgage companies sign something personally confirming that evictions are justified. None did.


So Dart has refused to honor their requests. There's now a backlog of over 1,000 evictions in his office, and the pile is growing each day./snip

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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 8:47:52 AM   
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feudal state' in any historic sense/snip

care to surmise on robo signers and the fraudulent foreclosures?

Which the sheriff of your hometown just put on hold.. Dart may be the only sheriff in the country to have done so.



AFAIK those forclosures (the valid ones) are because of defaulting on mortgages owed to private banks, not taxes owed to the government.

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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 8:59:50 AM   
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Take the thought process further....   

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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 9:02:49 AM   
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Elisa,   the system does tell us everything they do and intend to do.   You simply must focus to hear the message.    They DO tell us.



Yeah like this thread topic...all it boils down to is that all land within US borders is considered US soil, subject to US law (with exceptions made for reservations) and there's really nothing nefarious about that.

The absolute ownership RO is talking about is like the medieval idea of independent dukedoms, only on a micro-scale. He's talking about voluntary association with the US government (what would that even be, if there's no such thing as US soil outside of national parks?) although I don't think he'd like needing his passport stamped to pull out of his driveway in Realonia onto an American road.

The alternative simply is not viable. It would be chaotic for landowners and oppressive for non-landowners. It's not a 'feudal state' in any historic sense, you might as well call it a commune because everyone contributes to the general upkeep.



You wont gain any points debating me by proxy.  If you feel you have something of value refute the OP and supporting posts I made with YOUR CITATION to justify the contrary.

"Fee Simple" real estate title that everyone in this country has is a title of color in feudal tenure.

Maybe you should just start by showing everyone what I just said means.  Start there.  Give me the historical run down before we talk the law on the matter or are you eternally doomed to shallow reflection analysis?


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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 9:24:18 AM   
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Well, you are certainly drowning as always.

Let's suppose for a moment, that the USA was taken from the indians (seems like a safe bet) and that out east the british sort of claimed it, and at a subsequent time (after several Kings had passed on and ended at George) they said fuck it and threw off the british.  Then (and lets not quibble the wars, the politics and so on) they subsequently as a government bought land in the form of the louisianna purchase, alaska, and so on, and wrested a bunch of land from mexico,  such that a majority of that fledgling nation had a stakehold in it.  Then at some point, someone said, hey, we need some wheat, some corn, someone to guard our borders, someone to be fruitful and multiply thereon, in short, settlers, so they gave out deeds to those that could hold it and work it. 

Then as time passed, inheritances were divied up, to sons, land was bought and sold for some had more than they needed, and some had less than they needed.

Now, it comes to pass that say (for example) a family line dies out, and that last holder of the deed and the breath dies intestate (since you have such poor etymology, and no real understanding of words and their meanings; it means without balls.....)

So, you now see that the placid state of affairs should be a hole there, a no-mans land where once land was, that lies fallow and barren, a grey spot right there in the middle earth.......

You need to come up for air, sonny. The lack of oxygen to your brain is showing you off in a very bad light.    


you never fail to crack me up man!
you mean intesticle
if someone dies intestate it escheats to the state and its the states responsibility to sell it back into the private in most of the 50 states.

If they die intesticle it means they are stuffed in their mouth much like a pig on the spit.




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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 9:48:53 AM   
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Alright off topic wiki wars!


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Which system had 13 original star signs?


Do you understand what precession is? If you're seriously interested google precession and or Ophiuchus. (and not just your wiki gods)

13 Babylonian Periods/Calendar 13? Why were they doing 13? Put on your hip waders cuz there's a lot of shit to wade through when it comes to astronomy/astrology especially the parts mired in mythology. You will find that many Rulers changed things to suit themselves, thats if you continue chasing all the bones on those wiki pages.


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According to this trippy hippy site the Mayans had 19.
http://www.energy-healing-info.com/mayan-astrology-signs.html
And according to wiki they had 20.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_zodiac


I made no reference to Mayan star signs, only that they used the 13 cycles. You may note as well that they use multiples of 13 and 20. That is indeed a trippy site. 19 is a new one on me but then they had a number of calendars within calendars. Judging them on cursory reading wouldn't be doing it justice, trippy or otherwise.

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What systems are you referencing?
ETA: The star sign Ophiuchus (fuck that's awkward to spell) isn't included in any traditional zodiac.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus_(astrology)


Google is your friend. Don't rely totally on wiki.

Returning you to our regularly scheduled thread....


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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 9:52:53 AM   
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Swearing on the testicles is recorded in the Bible. The practice is mentioned in the Old Testament, though the King James’ version bowdlerised the reference in Genesis to “grasping the thigh”.

The Biblical reference implies that the person is swearing on the testicles of the king, not on their own.


Check it out.

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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 9:58:13 AM   
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Swearing on the testicles is recorded in the Bible. The practice is mentioned in the Old Testament, though the King James’ version bowdlerised the reference in Genesis to “grasping the thigh”.

The Biblical reference implies that the person is swearing on the testicles of the king, not on their own.


Check it out.


Sorry-  no can do.  That works is copyrighted.

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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 10:26:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Yeah like this thread topic...all it boils down to is that all land within US borders is considered US soil, subject to US law (with exceptions made for reservations) and there's really nothing nefarious about that.


true


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The absolute ownership RO is talking about is like the medieval idea of independent dukedoms, only on a micro-scale. He's talking about voluntary association with the US government (what would that even be, if there's no such thing as US soil outside of national parks?) although I don't think he'd like needing his passport stamped to pull out of his driveway in Realonia onto an American road.


My complaint would be the taxation. What you say is true, there is no real way to create true ownership. There needs to be law that allows for dealing fuckups within the system. However; there truly is enough money/value and resources available that taxation and usurious interest rates are unnecessary.

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The alternative simply is not viable. It would be chaotic for landowners and oppressive for non-landowners. It's not a 'feudal state' in any historic sense, you might as well call it a commune because everyone contributes to the general upkeep.


Actually communal is good way of putting something that would not be chaotic.


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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 11:02:14 AM   
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I am not willing to do YOUR homework and that means that I AM NOT WILLING TO TEACH YOU LAW.

Now do you understand what I said?  I gave you the sources that prove my point, not that it means anything to you because you do not understand how to correctly interpret law.

Now since you want to dismiss this as bullshit why dont YOU EXPAND on whatever you read in that link that you THINK supports your position by telling us precisely how it all relates with strict peculiarity in application such that it justifies your position then I will be happy to do a follow up and correct you.

knock yourself out man!



Just as I thought, you cant substantiate your claim but instead try and switch things around. I gave you a link to the Treaty of Paris, show me why that isnt in effect.

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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 11:06:29 AM   
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I thought it was funny.

I also think it funny that you buy the 'libral meeja' without question.

As for nonsense, some people have a great deal of money and are bleeding it from every source they can, including you. They print money at will, then disperse it, attaching interest, so it's fake money raping value at every level of humanity in the interest cloud. The only proof necessary of this is the inequity of income dispersement and how deeply mortgaged your (and many other) country's future is. Those things are worth questioning. I don't see it as a conspiracy so much as some greedy fucks maximizing self interest on the backs of an ignorant populace. It's major nonsense, so if bringing truth to nonsense is your real purpose you might consider investigating the libral meeja nonsense.



What did I believe from the liberal media ?  I made a direct quotation from a bonafide source proving RO was wrong. Pahunk still cant prove his claim about the Magna Carta. It seems you are dumb enough to believe them but thats cool.

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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 11:34:10 AM   
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Pahunk still cant prove his claim about the Magna Carta./snip

Oh bull shit.    10 pages here READ and learn.

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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 11:48:10 AM   
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I am not willing to do YOUR homework and that means that I AM NOT WILLING TO TEACH YOU LAW.

Now do you understand what I said?  I gave you the sources that prove my point, not that it means anything to you because you do not understand how to correctly interpret law.

Now since you want to dismiss this as bullshit why dont YOU EXPAND on whatever you read in that link that you THINK supports your position by telling us precisely how it all relates with strict peculiarity in application such that it justifies your position then I will be happy to do a follow up and correct you.

knock yourself out man!



Just as I thought, you cant substantiate your claim but instead try and switch things around. I gave you a link to the Treaty of Paris, show me why that isnt in effect.


its 100% in effect its just you have no clue what it means as I have said time and time again.

You have 2 choices; either study law or accept what is said.  I suppose you can continue to make claims you cant explain as you are.

I already p[osted the "precise specific peculiar" verbiage that would have had to be stated to obtain the results you "think" that treaty says and you ignore it because you simply DO NOT understand it.  what more can I say.


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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 11:52:09 AM   
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I thought it was funny.
I also think it funny that you buy the 'libral meeja' without question.
As for nonsense, some people have a great deal of money and are bleeding it from every source they can, including you. They print money at will, then disperse it, attaching interest, so it's fake money raping value at every level of humanity in the interest cloud. The only proof necessary of this is the inequity of income dispersement and how deeply mortgaged your (and many other) country's future is. Those things are worth questioning. I don't see it as a conspiracy so much as some greedy fucks maximizing self interest on the backs of an ignorant populace. It's major nonsense, so if bringing truth to nonsense is your real purpose you might consider investigating the libral meeja nonsense.

What did I believe from the liberal media ?  I made a direct quotation from a bonafide source proving RO was wrong. Pahunk still cant prove his claim about the Magna Carta. It seems you are dumb enough to believe them but that's cool.
Edited for typing.


You mean in the pejorative sense of course.... gratuitous verbal abuse doesn't actually raise you above the dumb whoever you may point at. Factually speaking I have mode NO comment on the issue above (magna carta)pro or con, of which you accuse me of dumbness in belief. A deductive fallacy. Talk about 'feed me bullshit.'

Your liberal media influence was noted in counter conspiracy postings.

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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 11:58:42 AM   
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Elisa had a good reply per the Magna Carta. 

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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 12:33:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nslavu


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ORIGINAL: Nslavu
I thought it was funny.
I also think it funny that you buy the 'libral meeja' without question.
As for nonsense, some people have a great deal of money and are bleeding it from every source they can, including you. They print money at will, then disperse it, attaching interest, so it's fake money raping value at every level of humanity in the interest cloud. The only proof necessary of this is the inequity of income dispersement and how deeply mortgaged your (and many other) country's future is. Those things are worth questioning. I don't see it as a conspiracy so much as some greedy fucks maximizing self interest on the backs of an ignorant populace. It's major nonsense, so if bringing truth to nonsense is your real purpose you might consider investigating the libral meeja nonsense.

What did I believe from the liberal media ?  I made a direct quotation from a bonafide source proving RO was wrong. Pahunk still cant prove his claim about the Magna Carta. It seems you are dumb enough to believe them but that's cool.
Edited for typing.


You mean in the pejorative sense of course.... gratuitous verbal abuse doesn't actually raise you above the dumb whoever you may point at. Factually speaking I have mode NO comment on the issue above (magna carta)pro or con, of which you accuse me of dumbness in belief. A deductive fallacy. Talk about 'feed me bullshit.'

Your liberal media influence was noted in counter conspiracy postings.




um....what the heck is that called again, personal or personality tranference?  In psychology its when person A, summarizes precisely what person A is doing or about to do and switches it around to blame person B (target) opponent.  I wont get into the serious long term psychological implications and consequences.  Substituting the issues of one person with another is a different dysfunction when its habitual or a matter of course.


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RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "real... - 11/18/2010 12:56:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Nslavu


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What did I believe from the liberal media ?  I made a direct quotation from a bonafide source proving RO was wrong. Pahunk still cant prove his claim about the Magna Carta. It seems you are dumb enough to believe them but that's cool.
Edited for typing.


You mean in the pejorative sense of course.... gratuitous verbal abuse doesn't actually raise you above the dumb whoever you may point at. Factually speaking I have mode NO comment on the issue above (magna carta)pro or con, of which you accuse me of dumbness in belief. A deductive fallacy. Talk about 'feed me bullshit.'

Your liberal media influence was noted in counter conspiracy postings.




um....what the heck is that called again, personal or personality tranference?  In psychology its when person A, summarizes precisely what person A is doing or about to do and switches it around to blame person B (target) opponent.  I wont get into the serious long term psychological implications and consequences.  Substituting the issues of one person with another is a different dysfunction when its habitual or a matter of course.



You mean like "morons always do that 'psychological projection' shit". I was leaving out the projection because most people know about it... and besides it's just plain fun to call someone a maroon or a pant-load, no real harm done.

The deductive fallacy was far more interesting.


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