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Real0ne -> America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/14/2010 10:37:42 PM)

Ok many of you remember that drawn out argument we had over the us being nothing more than a brit colony.

Well on another board that I frequent we really got into it well over 1000 posts on the matter and there were brits and canadians arguing with people from the US who used the constitution.

Well I and the research group have just completed extensive research on land law in america which is impossible to fully understand unless you go back to england and fully understand english land law as well.

So here is where the bear does the crapola in the buckwheat.

These people on the other board argued to my frustration (because it interfered with my American DREAM) that we cannot own the land and they are right.  well sort of.

So I will approach this from the most direct and easiest to understand angle without going through volumes upon volumes of law.

The way it works is that the highest title in the united states and states thereof is "FEE SIMPLE".

Anyone here who as a land deed, warrantee, trust indenture, whatever the term that property is held in fee simple.  Look at your deeds.  It is considered the highest degree of ownership.   The funny part about it is that there is only one higher title to land that trumps a fee simple deed.  That is allodial.

Ok so you think you own your land and you do!  However there is a catch.  When land is granted in fee simple the fee part means "in fee" and in fee means in fealty and in fealty means beholden to the......well are you all sitting down?

Beholden to the "Land Lord"!!!  Meaning you WILL pay property taxes to the Lord.

and your lord being the state, was granted the lands from their lord!  You can get the original letters patent from the BLM, bureau of land management or the national archives.

So the sovereign lord "federal government" granted the land to you directly or to the sovereign "state" who granted it to you.

Ever ask yourself why someone would "grant" land to you that you bought and paid for?  No one grants you a watch or a bike or cigar do they!!!  Starting to get the picture?

Because you cannot own your land in allodium! (true ownership in perfect title)

So we all have what is called a color of title!

People this is the strangest legal shit I have ever laid my eyes on.  Free is not free own is not own as we know or think we knew it to be.  When you have property in fee simple you own it have complete disposal rights (which is bullshit but for this lets pretend for now), but you own a fealty to the lord.


Ever read the articles of confederation?


Article IV. The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among
the people  [ inhabitants assembled ]
of the different States in this union,
the free inhabitants of each of these States,
paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice excepted, shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several States; and the people of each State shall have free ingress and regress to and from any other State, and shall enjoy therein all the privileges of trade and commerce, subject to the same duties, impositions, and restrictions as the inhabitants thereof respectively, provided that such restrictions shall not extend so far as to prevent the removal of property imported into any State, to any other State, of which the owner is an an inhabitant; provided also that no imposition, duties or restriction shall be laid by any State, on the property of the United States, or either of them.


Article VIII. All charges of war, and all other expenses that shall be incurred for the common defense or general welfare, and allowed by the United States in congress assembled, shall be defrayed out of a common treasury, which shall be supplied by the several States in proportion to the value of all land within each State,
granted or surveyed for any person, as such land and the buildings and improvements thereon shall be estimated according to such mode as the United States in congress assembled, shall from time to time direct and appoint.   The taxes for paying that proportion shall be laid and levied by the authority and direction of the legislatures of the several States within the time agreed upon by the United States in congress assembled.
Now there are those of you who would say that they articles of confederation are abolished and superceded by the constitution...Not so fast.

the states were created and entered the union on the same footing as the original 13 and there is no authority to do that under the united states, that can only be done under the original articles.  Read the northwest ordinance to prove this to yourself.

then look at the statutes to your state for the states west of ohio that come under the NWO.

here is the one for wisconsin.

  1.01  State sovereignty and jurisdiction.
The sovereignty [STATE AS SOVEREIGN = TITLE OF NOBILITY] and jurisdiction of this state extend to all places within the boundaries declared in article II of the constitution, subject only to such rights of jurisdiction as have been or shall be acquired by the United States over any places therein; and the governor, and all subordinate officers of the state, shall maintain and defend its sovereignty and jurisdiction.)]

1.09 Seat of government. Be it enacted by the council and house of representatives of the territory of Wisconsin, that the seat of government of the territory of Wisconsin, be and the same is located and established at the town of Madison, between the 3rd and 4th of the 4 lakes, on the corner of sections 13, 14, 23 and 24



We have a clear and precise distinction between the government and te state.   If the government is seated in the TERRITORY under the NWO under the articles of confederation then WHAT THE FUCK IS THE STATE????????  corporation maybe?  for the collection of the FEE?  Thats called in law subinfeudination.  With an American twist.  

Tada!  The united kings of america!   Every time I think I seen the biggest scam I could ever find on the planet there seems to always be a bigger one.

This is pretty much locked up so I suppose there isnt much to discuss but its interesting as hell and fills in lots of gaps that I at least had.  Its one thing to see we never won the revolutionary war in the treaties and another to completely prove it right down to your back yard.  (granted I canot post the volumes of references behind all this this it pretty convincing)  This one even gives me pause.

and before I forget wtf gives them authority over everything that lives?  notice that 4th article it lists:
people;
inhabitants;
free inhabitants
free citizens
and finally persons

yes I mention that because there are distinctions between them and it includes their claim of jurisdiction over everything alive.  typical fucking king huh.

Now the question is does anyone suppose for one second that the top of the food chain, (the people that run the joint, *fearless LEADERS* do not know this?  yeh,,,,,,,,







Charles6682 -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/14/2010 10:50:50 PM)

Does any of this really matter anyway's?After all,the Native American's were on this land first.



Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/14/2010 11:04:30 PM)


Yeh it explains why people are getting tazered and anyone who protests is classified as a domestic terrorist, why the people can vote and nothing ever changes (even the promises of change), and why the government does so much crap that does not make any sense to people, at least those who are not employees.  It explains why you can write to senators and reps and they dont listen to you.  Why you pay so much taxes that most has been proven to go right out of the country, why the people part of the judicial system was abolished, why you can no longer get remedy at law as prescribed in the constitution forcing you into private equity where you are still stuck at the whim of a judge and why they dismiss any evidence you bring that will cream them as frivolous.

How can you have your pudding if you dont eat your meat!

So none of that matters to you?   

Everything starts somewhere and Neo just took you on an up close and personal in your face tour to see the architect.




thishereboi -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 5:38:26 AM)

Naw, doesn't matter to me. But then again, I have never been all that crazy about pudding to begin with.



rulemylife -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 5:48:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Naw, doesn't matter to me. But then again, I have never been all that crazy about pudding to begin with.


That's probably because you were tasered for eating pudding at some time in your life and you blocked out the memory.



allthatjaz -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 6:20:47 AM)

Actually I find it an incredibly interesting post RealOne and of course it matters!
Our governments want a robotic state that lives in oblivious bliss, because that way, they can use every individual (even new born babies) and every individuals property and land for calateral. When money is borrowed, its borrowed on our heads, our land and our property.
Of course our governments know about this. How else could they keep borrowing? The problem with any sort of borrowing is, it always has to be paid back and we are the suckers that are expected to pay it back!

So the government borrows money on us as individuals and we get the tax not only removed from our salaries but also on just about everything we purchase. They borrow on our houses and our land and the 'so called owners' have to pay it back at a ratable value and inheritance tax.

I think the last time I looked, the English government use every British citizen as calatrel when borrowing and that our worth, including infants is £77,000 per head and the American government $44,000 on every US citizen including infants and thats before they have even started on our land or our property.

But lets not blame 'Henry 7th' because as an independent country, you had every right to change things. Your government just chose not to.



TheHeretic -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 6:26:34 AM)

Given the age of the planet, compared to our own insignificant individual presence on it, it's fleas arguing about who owns the dog.

Ya'll have fun.



Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 6:33:34 AM)

Well what I cant help but wonder is if people would be so forgiving and light-hearted if they had to pay the tax to me?

I get the feeling there would be a lynch mob on the way....

I feel a bit betrayed, or maybe its more like a fool for believing in all that freedom crap.

This changes my understanding of the landscape of the world and politics even more so than my discovery of these governmental bodies all being incorporated and private law being promulgated as pubic.

That means that every country that england colonized belongs to the crown regardless of their constitutions sweet sounding legalese.

Wow what a nightmare and maze.







allthatjaz -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 6:42:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


Well what I cant help but wonder is if people would be so forgiving and light-hearted if they had to pay the tax to me?

I get the feeling there would be a lynch mob on the way....

I feel a bit betrayed, or maybe its more like a fool for believing in all that freedom crap.





Sadly most US and English citizens still believe we are living in a democracy [8|]
Our governments rely on ignorance







Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 6:57:49 AM)

I am still sorting some of this stuff out but that means that any brit settled terrortory is required to pay rents to the king.  Regardless of the installed government

It means they now own or more correctly since its a trust, have "ownership interest" (shared ownership, legal title and the people there have equitable title or usafructory "privileges")
In essence they now own afghanastan and iraq too!   Its called ownership by conquest in law and it recognized as legitimate no less!

Remember the slogans?  Bring democracy to the poor downtrodden savages of the me?  Every land the english ever set foot on regardless if they did it themselves or by proxy through the US for instance.  I get this map appearing in my brain.

That means that the people cannot really own anything, not even themselves.

From my research on governments I am pretty sure you can have either a democracy or a republic mixed in with a monarchy.

The shocking thing is when you look back to law of 1800 back you can see where they simply changed all the definitions so people in america have a disconnect between the real meanings of the words they use every day.

Its like the use of the word person to mask the real man these words mask what is really going on.

There is a reason they call law "code" because it is a code.  That you have to be a lawyer to understand how the meanings changed.

The same way gay used to mean happy now homosexual and holocaust used to mean burned offering and now jewish genocide.

I have to admit its diabolically ingenius.

I also have a thread up about the supreme court to rule on the validity of the constitution.

I hope they rule it invalid because frankly we have more rights real freedom directly under the english crown as they wiped recognition of the greater majority of the common law out here and only recognize a small handful of the great writs.

There is no remedy under statute.

Anyway I am getting nauseated thinking about it.  Its ingenius in its simplicity.



Nslavu -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 8:19:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I am still sorting some of this stuff out but that means that any brit settled terrortory is required to pay rents to the king.  Regardless of the installed government



You're a serf and just coming to realize it's truth. The nobles have you by the balls, genetically speaking.





Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 8:25:11 AM)


this was just emailed to me:



Excerpt from The Renegade History of The United States -

Chapter One - Drunkards, Laggards, Prostitutes, Pirates and Other Heroes of The American Revolution - 

In the spring of 1777 the great men of America came to Philadelphia for the fourth meeting of the Continental Congress the de facto government of the rebel republic. When they stepped from their carriages onto the cobblestone streets they could see that they were in for a very long war. New York had already been lost to the British, armies of redcoats and Hessian mercenaries are poised to cut off New England and British plans were afoot to conquer Philadelphia and crush the rebellion. Thousands of troops in the Continental Army had been lost to typhus, dysentery, smallpox, starvation and desertion.they were outnumbered and outgunned. But it was not just the military power of the kingdom that worry the leaders of the American war of Independence. There was a far more sinister and enduring enemy on the streets they walked. "Indeed, there is one enemy, who is more forgettable than famine, pestilence, and the sword", John Adams wrote to a friend from
Philadelphia in April. "butI mean the corruption which is prevalent in so many American hearts, a depravity that is more inconsistent with our Republican government's than light is with darkness".he

Adams was right. Many, and probably most, inhabitants of early American cities were corrupt and depraved, and the founding fathers knew it. Alexander Hamilton called the behaviors of Americans vicious and vile. Samuel Adams saw a torrent of vice running through the new country. John Jay wrote of his fear that our conduct should confirm the Tory Maxim that "men are incapable of governing themselves". James Warren, the president of the Provincial Congress of Massachusetts and a Paymaster General of the Continental Army, declared during the Revolution that Americans lived "degenerate days." As the war with the British thundered on, John Adams grew so disgusted at what he saw on the streets that at times he believed Americans deserved death more than freedom. Their dissolute character
'is enough to induce every Man of Sense and Virtue to abandon such in an excerable race, to their own Perdition, and if they could be ruined alone it would be just." Adams feared that after winning independence Americans "will become a spectacle of Contempt and Derision to the foolish and wicked, and of Grief and Shame to the wise among Mankind and all of this in the Space of a few Years."



if this guy is correct the uk aristocracy would consider the republic side of the us government "defacto renegade".

sounds like moses coming down from the mount to find everyone worshiping the idol but with a twist.

Everything in the us is set up for maximizing commerce with no real regard for cultural arts unless you want to go on welfare.  culture has no value and cant be taxed.

If we "won" the war wouldnt britain be one of the "united states"?



pahunkboy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 8:32:04 AM)

Lemme break this down in every day language.

There are a good number of properties that I would not want to own- that I would never pay cash money for- due to the tax burden.  To me - once the tax reaches a certain point-  it is more like a rental.  If a parcel has too high a a tax burden then to me that hinders its value.

Lets take my house-  I disputed the tax.  I won a reduction.  This enhanced the value of the house as it has less of a drag on it.

One thing to watch for in PA now-  is the sewer laws.   Upgrades can cost quite a bit- and this can effect the value of a house.   Lets take 2 same houses each in a different town- but the one is current in sewer- sidewalks- curbs and all that happy horse shit- the other has assessments pending 4k-12k.   The place that is up to date is better value. 
Entire fortunes can be wiped out- by regulations.  Sure it all sounds reasonable until you have to pour your sweat to pay for it.

I am just passing thru in life.   I hope I die before it gets too bad.



Nslavu -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 8:45:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


this was just emailed to me:



Excerpt from The Renegade History of The United States -

Chapter One - Drunkards, Laggards, Prostitutes, Pirates and Other Heroes of The American Revolution - 

In the spring of 1777 the great men of America came to Philadelphia for the fourth meeting of the Continental Congress the de facto government of the rebel republic. When they stepped from their carriages onto the cobblestone streets they could see that they were in for a very long war. New York had already been lost to the British, armies of redcoats and Hessian mercenaries are poised to cut off New England and British plans were afoot to conquer Philadelphia and crush the rebellion. Thousands of troops in the Continental Army had been lost to typhus, dysentery, smallpox, starvation and desertion.they were outnumbered and outgunned. But it was not just the military power of the kingdom that worry the leaders of the American war of Independence. There was a far more sinister and enduring enemy on the streets they walked. "Indeed, there is one enemy, who is more forgettable than famine, pestilence, and the sword", John Adams wrote to a friend from
Philadelphia in April. "butI mean the corruption which is prevalent in so many American hearts, a depravity that is more inconsistent with our Republican government's than light is with darkness".he

Adams was right. Many, and probably most, inhabitants of early American cities were corrupt and depraved, and the founding fathers knew it. Alexander Hamilton called the behaviors of Americans vicious and vile. Samuel Adams saw a torrent of vice running through the new country. John Jay wrote of his fear that our conduct should confirm the Tory Maxim that "men are incapable of governing themselves". James Warren, the president of the Provincial Congress of Massachusetts and a Paymaster General of the Continental Army, declared during the Revolution that Americans lived "degenerate days." As the war with the British thundered on, John Adams grew so disgusted at what he saw on the streets that at times he believed Americans deserved death more than freedom. Their dissolute character
'is enough to induce every Man of Sense and Virtue to abandon such in an excerable race, to their own Perdition, and if they could be ruined alone it would be just." Adams feared that after winning independence Americans "will become a spectacle of Contempt and Derision to the foolish and wicked, and of Grief and Shame to the wise among Mankind and all of this in the Space of a few Years."



if this guy is correct the uk aristocracy would consider the republic side of the us government "defacto renegade".

sounds like moses coming down from the mount to find everyone worshiping the idol but with a twist.

Everything in the us is set up for maximizing commerce with no real regard for cultural arts unless you want to go on welfare.  culture has no value and cant be taxed.

If we "won" the war wouldnt britain be one of the "united states"?



Actually this all stems back, way back to Empire Building. As for the Revolution. The US win was short lived. You could trace some of George Washington's comments on the influence/infiltration of these people in US government. The First President already on watch? And then Kennedy and a number of others. They (European Nobles) couldn't defeat the US from the outside. It's easier and much more efficient to do it from the inside.

Extend what you've learned here to the affect of debt, not only your own personal debt and or mortgage, but your country's and to whom that debt is owed. Seriously this isn't about owning you at all because you're just a podunk serf. It's about having the resources at hand. To these people lineage is most important as is it where it leads .... Okay I won't say eugenics. First one there, gets to be the superhuman.

Just a sidebar, I read the other day something about all the foreclosure homes (Florida I think it was) being fast tracked through the system?



allthatjaz -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 9:01:28 AM)

RealOne, We don’t actually have a king. Do you mean ‘crown’? A private foreign power
I think you need to read this http://nesara.insights2.org/CrownTemplars.html

All of this shit is based in the City of London and I'm not sure if your aware but The City of London doesn't even belong to the UK, its totally independent.




Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 9:09:17 AM)


the despicable thing about property tax is many fold.

First you work your ass off to pay for it then you retire.

If you have been fortunate your savings have not been stolen by inflation/taxation of income in that realm and you can use your savings to pay the taxes into old age.

If you are like many middle class americans you will wind up selling because you do not have enough money to pay the property tax in old age.

You are considered a resident and residential "use" is commercial and like any good corporation when the user can no longer make money for the corporation out you go and put someone in who can foot the bill.

Thats part one.

Another angle is that the more people figure everything out the more the corporations move to taxation by proxy.  They have the employer take out taxes for you so they get their money up front out of your control placing the burden of proof on you.

Next there is no reason what so ever that there even need be taxation of property in the modern world of invoicing for services.

They can still rate it the same (mil rates) but the tax then would be applied like any other corporation through actual use of services rather than a blanket TAX bill that feeds slush and cafr accounts.

Property tax is therefore a direct tax and you are being taxed for everything regardless if you get the actual use of it or not.

People are alienated from the property due to the unfair taxation.  Water, fire and police are cheap compared to everything else.  There is no reason for them to tax you on land.  what is that land without you on it?  nothing its a waste! 

Worse after people are alienated they go to public housing because if they cant afford the taxes they certainly cant afford paying the rent where people who rent not only make a profit from rent but you are paying their tax bill as well!

Its rape by democracy, and a very small one at that.  A small group of people want a new football stadium because its good for business and it does not matter what you think about it.  They make the money not you but you pay for it.

The representatives have the full authority to vote anyway they like regardless of what anyone thinks as long as they dont push the people to the point of over throwing them its anything goes.  They are caught between the people overthrowing them or the PTB blowing them away like kennedy and lincoln.

If you cannot own property in "perfect title" you have are a subject thereto with no "real" rights at all.  Just privileges granted by the owner(s). 

All rights expand from the right to own property, that was told to me when I was very young and that is crystal clear to me now.

These commercial corporations we call government have a monopoly of unthinkable proportion because it comes with an assumed grant of authority and organic power to exercise the same.







pahunkboy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 9:12:42 AM)

the flip side is to be a stray land and subject to invasion. 



allthatjaz -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 9:15:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

if this guy is correct the uk aristocracy would consider the republic side of the us government "defacto renegade".



RealOne, We don’t actually have a king. Do you mean ‘crown’? A private foreign power
I think you need to read this http://nesara.insights2.org/CrownTemplars.html

All of this shit is based in the City of London and I'm not sure if your aware but The City of London doesn't even belong to the UK, its totally independent.

The 'Crown' is made up of aristocracy from different nations. http://www.lifeinthemix2.co.uk/the_house_of_windsor.html
Its temple is based in the UK and has been around since the 12th century but don't be fooled into believing America isn't heavily involved.




Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 9:16:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

RealOne, We don’t actually have a king. Do you mean ‘crown’? A private foreign power
I think you need to read this http://nesara.insights2.org/CrownTemplars.html

All of this shit is based in the City of London and I'm not sure if your aware but The City of London doesn't even belong to the UK, its totally independent.




well unless my info is bad the crown is some form of a sole corporation trust.

I am inclined to say quasi because they fuck with the definitions to the point the words mean the exact opposite.

I think there are all sorts of savory characters that have treaties with one another in these for lack of a better word conglomerate highest level layered unbreakable trusts because they are at the top of the food chain with an infinite money supply, armys, navys' to back them up.

Someone is the beneficiary of these trusts so they can truthfully tell you they do not own anything because the trust owns it, however they do have the power and authority as settlor to dissolve it.

I just cut to the chase and bowl through all the smoke and mirrors on the matter by simply saying the king.

ps: thanks for that link I will look further into that.

I need a good round of depression!   LOL




allthatjaz -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/15/2010 9:20:59 AM)

I edited my post and added another link for you RealOne.

King and Crown are two totally different things. The Crown owns the royal family.
I have just read through a whole heap of conspiracies where people are using the word King or Queen instead of 'Crown' This can only lead to confusion



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