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Elisabella -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 4:57:33 PM)
So you'd think it would be better for landowners to be sovereign on their land - separate from the US? That might sort of suck for people who have to rent, since they wouldn't have any of the American legal protections for tenants.

pahunkboy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 5:05:24 PM)
El, you really ought to study common law.

Politesub53 -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 5:07:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne absolutely fucking meaningless when the united states a private party can contract with the king and agree to pay ALL WAR DEBT OUTSIDE THE CONSTITUTION. Which is precisely what they did and continue to do today. The operative words in law THAT YOU WILL NEVER SEE is I kingee ole boy agent representative what ever for the crown its heirs successors and assigns forever DO HEREBY DIVEST ALL CROWN RIGHT TITLE AND INTEREST now list everything fucking imaginable so some asshole attorney cant find a hoe in it somewhere. also divestiture of his own interest etc etc etc! anything less than that is smoke and mirrors and of course the average lay persons mind literally goes out on blink when they try to understand it. You dont understand how "English" law works do you. At least I backed my post with a link brains. You only backed yours with an assertion, so put up or shut up. I sadly doubt that you are able to do either.

pahunkboy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 5:33:16 PM)
RO, Polite is not allowed to say anything negative about the Crown. They have strict libel laws there- and there is no first amendment in the UK either. They even voided the Magna Carta. So due to him getting in trouble he can not render any negative statements on the grid.

Politesub53 -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 5:38:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy RO, Polite is not allowed to say anything negative about the Crown. They have strict libel laws there- and there is no first amendment in the UK either. They even voided the Magna Carta. So due to him getting in trouble he can not render any negative statements on the grid. Like Im worried about libel Pahunk. Im more worried that some of you guys have no sense....... even of history. RO tends to make it up as he goes along and fails to post any evidence of what he says. Just smoke and mirrors, but nothing he can substantiate. Still Im sure Alex will tell you whats what huh. [;)] Voided the Magna Carta...... post some proof, and not that crappy web site you insist on using.

Nslavu -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 5:40:32 PM)
a grid tort

pahunkboy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 5:45:13 PM)
The proof is in the 24-7 that we live. and you are bound by libel laws - not any first amendment. 24-7 you/I are nothing but a bond asset to perform for our owners. The proof is the extraction of money from us.

Politesub53 -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 6:04:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy The proof is in the 24-7 that we live. and you are bound by libel laws - not any first amendment. 24-7 you/I are nothing but a bond asset to perform for our owners. The proof is the extraction of money from us. Slow down skippy...... you stated the Magna Carta had been voided. If so, where is the link. Like RO, I doubt you will get back to me with one. Arty farty assertions just dont cut it PA.

Nslavu -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 6:23:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella So you'd think it would be better for landowners to be sovereign on their land - separate from the US? That might sort of suck for people who have to rent, since they wouldn't have any of the American legal protections for tenants. Actually, it's even more convoluted than that, since the US is in extreme debt (to whom you can figure out) so they are not a sovereign nation. That debt note holder is who owns the country. So, no outright free and clear ownership. And really it is ALL debt notes now, there is no longer any real value in money, it fluctuates like a heart on crack; but there's plenty of value in debt. This makes everyone a tenant without any real protection.

PeonForHer -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 6:31:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne There is a reason they call law "code" because it is a code. It's not just that they want to cloak what's being so that Joe Q. Public doesn't understand, thus eventually forgets about it. If it's written in a special way, it gives whatever's written power. 'Special language comes from special people - people higher than ourselves', folk half-consciously believe. That's one reason why the Bible is still published in centuries-old English. It was a also a major reason why, for hundreds of years in England, church masses were said in Latin, even though only a few in any congregation could understand it. This is all about legitimation of power - making people believe that the power that is held over their lives is 'natural', 'ordinary' and beyond argument. The ultimate aim is that people don't even think about it in the first place. Language - like that of the Church or the 'legalese' of the State, is just one of many, many means that the powers-that-be have used in order to maintain this 'legitimacy'. You don't need to perform mass lobotomies on your population when you've got all this stuff oiled and working properly. Hereth endeth the firsteth lessoneth. See-eth? You know I'm speaking pearls of pure, timeless wisdom that's much better than anything you could hope to come up with because I'm putting 'eth' on the end of everything. Neat, eh?

pahunkboy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 7:17:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy The proof is in the 24-7 that we live. and you are bound by libel laws - not any first amendment. 24-7 you/I are nothing but a bond asset to perform for our owners. The proof is the extraction of money from us. Slow down skippy...... you stated the Magna Carta had been voided. If so, where is the link. Like RO, I doubt you will get back to me with one. Arty farty assertions just dont cut it PA. http://www.lifeinthemix2.co.uk/the_house_of_windsor.html And I dont want any complaints about this link!

thornhappy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 7:19:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: NESARA INTERNATIONAL quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne you wouldnt happen to remember the name of that little bed time story would you? Careful dude- this whole thread could be highly upsetting to the goyem. When are you idiots going to give up that "Jews run the world" bullshit? I swear, jaz is a simple clone of RO.

pahunkboy -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 7:23:43 PM)
LMAO! Yeah, thats right, I am secretly Jazz. Nice jab. We really ought to take lessons from Jazz. She is brilliant.

Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 7:31:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella So wait, your problem is that when a person buys land, that land is still considered part of the US? As opposed to a tiny separate kingdom of its own where the landowner is sovereign? yeh because you see that also establishes your political status without question. When the king abandoned the colonies and gave up jurisdiction the sovereignty now fell upon everyone. I dont need to post that same court case again I hope to make the pojnt do I? Anyway the problem was in disposing the land because it is a unique situation being a republic but that is what it comes down too alrightee. That means no zoning ordinances, no taxes EXCEPT the ones I contract to pay! In the year 2010 taxation is nothing more than a thug rip off. I am more than willing to pay for any services I USE! They are a corporation and they can send me a fucking invoice like any other corporation this is 2010 for shit sake LOL statism = robbery by services at the end of a barrel of a gun quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella So you'd think it would be better for landowners to be sovereign on their land - separate from the US? That might sort of suck for people who have to rent, since they wouldn't have any of the American legal protections for tenants. absolutely! Now I would get to draw up a treaties or peace with the county the city and the state and fuckin rock and roll! government the way it was designed to be! yo baba! not to worry though there will always be slaves who are not willing to manage their own affairs so the corporation will always have something to do! (job security)

Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 7:47:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy RO, Polite is not allowed to say anything negative about the Crown. They have strict libel laws there- and there is no first amendment in the UK either. They even voided the Magna Carta. So due to him getting in trouble he can not render any negative statements on the grid. Like Im worried about libel Pahunk. Im more worried that some of you guys have no sense....... even of history. RO tends to make it up as he goes along and fails to post any evidence of what he says. Just smoke and mirrors, but nothing he can substantiate. Still Im sure Alex will tell you whats what huh. Voided the Magna Carta...... post some proof, and not that crappy web site you insist on using. Here is one of my fav sites, its only one small pebble so go knock your self out chief, but it wont do you much good unless you know and understand how law functions. If you want the us statutes at large let me know I think its only a mere 75 - 100 gig of pdfs. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/ http://www.archives.gov/ Most of my books come from harvard. knock yourself out! quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne absolutely fucking meaningless when the united states a private party can contract with the king and agree to pay ALL WAR DEBT OUTSIDE THE CONSTITUTION. Which is precisely what they did and continue to do today. The operative words in law THAT YOU WILL NEVER SEE is I kingee ole boy agent representative what ever for the crown its heirs successors and assigns forever DO HEREBY DIVEST ALL CROWN RIGHT TITLE AND INTEREST now list everything fucking imaginable so some asshole attorney cant find a hoe in it somewhere. also divestiture of his own interest etc etc etc! anything less than that is smoke and mirrors and of course the average lay persons mind literally goes out on blink when they try to understand it. You dont understand how "English" law works do you. At least I backed my post with a link brains. You only backed yours with an assertion, so put up or shut up. I sadly doubt that you are able to do either. unless you are talking about 911, you arent making sense. I cant give you an education in property and law in a "link".

Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 8:09:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: allthatjaz quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne All these words are construed in the governments favor by government judges as they hung 5+ definitions on any given word so if you do not go into court with every word that you use defined and are a grammar major you sink. You need to get a good law dictionary to understand the definitions! There is no law that states it can forcibly tax a human being, only a person! A person according to Black's dictionary is a legal representative. A person is a corporation and NOT a human being, so if a PERSON is not a living human being of flesh and blood with a living immortal soul, the refusal to be known or called a person, would make the tax mans job very difficult! A society is defined as a number of people joined BY MUTUAL CONSENT to deliberate, determine and act for a common goal. So in essence the STATUTES only apply to those who give consent and who are a willing member of the society. So in actual fact they are not construed in the governments favor and these words are hugely limiting. The law relies on people not understanding them. its done by private law promulgated as "public" law. One of the buddies gets a contract and they become or provide a quasi-public service. sneeky wabbits! That is how they get around the constitution. A private corp the fed reserve, well an association technically, we dont want them to pay any taxes of course...... comes around and floats federal reserve note that look identical to treasury notes so the pubic really cant tell the difference. Of course treasury notes with the same substance of gold and frns not worth the paper to wipe your ass and next thing you know we are no longer using treasury notes off the gold standard and "The People" are in violation of the trading with the enemy act and title 50 by using anything but gold and silver hence we are the enemy of the state and they deserve every bit of tax they pay every time they swipe that credit card now that they all know about it! I use strictly treasury notes. Granted its fraud perpetrated on the people but none the less people now have the knowledge to get out and they dont so they can pay baby pay! Oh and consent as far as they are concerned is when they draw a circle on a plot of land and you fall out between momas legs you just consented LOL

Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 8:27:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nslavu quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne well the state wants to claim proprietorship that makes them the trustees to pay the bill doesnt it. They already own it. What bill could possibly come due in full ownership? Expropriation is proof. Divesting of one's 'title'. And 'title' in this case is 'subject' of/to common law. Guess where the word 'subject' comes from? Dominion, emminent domain, Kingdom, .... dare I use the words "above the law" so we have subjects of law (abiding common folk) and those above law (dominion) and those below law (common criminals). well my state claims they are the sovereign and have the power to tax my property under color of law and in court decisions with one exception they completely reversed the meaning of allodial. Most cases dont ever get to the merits because neither people suing for the rights understand the proper terminology and neither do the attorneys. Then when it goes to court they make a decision based on the leaves at the top of the tree not the root and do an impasse creating volumes of shit case law. quote: That is why you are called a resident over here, it designates your property use as commercial hence taxable. citizen makes you a voting member of your own slavery. Yep. Unless you don't vote. Voting as I have been saying is what encourages them. Stop voting and what happens? Do they leave incumbents in place? Do they appoint a King/Regent.... a puppet in lieu of. I think and it would take some time to fully open up an explanation here; but not voting says I'm no slave. It would not likely ever happen that everyone stops but I don't vote on that principle alone, never mind that they really don't give a shit about me if I did. only a "citizen" which in these cases as people can go back to the OP and see that the state is nothing more than a fucking corporate overlay and if you come within that parking lot you are under their dominion and control as a "citizen" to walmart. It sounds absolutely absurd but that is the bottom line and lowest common denomenator. No one ever finds out about it because attorneys sure as hell aint going to give away their business secrets and cut their own throat! quote: All these words are construed in the governments favor by government judges as they hung 5+ definitions on any given word so if you do not go into court with every word that you use defined and are a grammar major you sink. That REAL FREEDOM! They basically created a 3rd world country in which no one can "TRULY" own land and land ownership under the brit system determines political rights. If you cant own land in the true sense you are a tax payer and at the bottom of the food chain.... And while the majority is at the bottom of that chain, no matter how much wiggling they do to change how it sways, the top is as stable as can be. right thats absolutely right. the top is perfectly secure and even if america would completely over turn the crown would still have a death grip on everyone. Now that we have the net and literally libraries of info at our fingertips many people are finding out the truth at an amazing rate.

Real0ne -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 9:20:29 PM)
Everyone goes out and buys real estate right? well here you go! *Keep in mind now that Arkansas Minnesota and Wisconsin all have the all lands are allodial sections in their state constitutions!* New york used too but the abolished it! no wonder why! Just another cute little snippet 6 If the " fee simple " or " legal estate " in the land is vested in the chief*, (in other words your state holds legal title and you hold equitable title),* it is only under burden of supporting his kindred within certain degrees of relationship, apparently within the third degree in descent.7 Each of these according to his degree is entitled to a certain allotment of land, rendering men (you) certain dues (taxes) to the chief. (state) From: The Foundations of England B.C. 55-A.D. 1066 Sir James Henry http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks%3A1&tbo=1&q=The+Foundations+of+England%3A+B.C.+55-A.D.+1066&btnG=Search+Books like this stuff dates back to the beginning of time how can we be so stoooopid in america huh? you are taxed based on the title you hold in the land and america holds titles in "real estate" in "fee simple" authorizing tax and the states that acknowledge "allodial" no tax title in their constitutions simply ignore it and crooked judges make crap rulings as they cant have anyone they cant extort money from now can they? Isnt the internet resources fucking awesome! :) arent americans stoopid? this has been around for over 1000 years and we are clueless! Try to find it in any college or law library EXCEPT the harvards and yales ... LOL

Elisabella -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 10:14:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy http://www.lifeinthemix2.co.uk/the_house_of_windsor.html And I dont want any complaints about this link! These are quotes from your link: "We can see the satanic shadow belief system which turns all this into a god- prophet scenario with the inducement of the birth of the coming Anti-Christ Prince William who will be 33 June 21 2015." "The cultural division created under the event known as the Tower of Babel, whereby the surviving races from the deluge began to build cities or towers as they were so named at the time, (also symbolises the fact the survivors were again building a spiritual 'tower' or 'ladder', to the higher realms). The elite priesthood from Atlantean times who had gone underground literally, and those who had left the earth to their bases on Mars and the Moon, (the very move being reproduced today with the space programmes) began to move big groups of the survivors around the planet, teaching differing languages and blood rite pagan beliefs, creating the basis for the global divisions we have today." "Tony Blair is to take command of the EU as the 'Permenant President' Time to shit or act people" "It must be understood the DNA corruption has been bred into all blood groups over ancient time and we are the representations of the fifth root race which has an overbalance to the dragon gods." "My journey put me slap bang in the middle of this game and as I have stated, the Illuminati are spreading their vibration amongst you the protestant people especially through the Golden Dawn." I would never criticize this link. It's fucking hilarious.

Elisabella -> RE: America land of the feudal, even I didnt "really" believe it! (11/16/2010 10:19:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella So wait, your problem is that when a person buys land, that land is still considered part of the US? As opposed to a tiny separate kingdom of its own where the landowner is sovereign? yeh because you see that also establishes your political status without question. When the king abandoned the colonies and gave up jurisdiction the sovereignty now fell upon everyone. I dont need to post that same court case again I hope to make the pojnt do I? Anyway the problem was in disposing the land because it is a unique situation being a republic but that is what it comes down too alrightee. That means no zoning ordinances, no taxes EXCEPT the ones I contract to pay! In the year 2010 taxation is nothing more than a thug rip off. I am more than willing to pay for any services I USE! They are a corporation and they can send me a fucking invoice like any other corporation this is 2010 for shit sake LOL statism = robbery by services at the end of a barrel of a gun quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella So you'd think it would be better for landowners to be sovereign on their land - separate from the US? That might sort of suck for people who have to rent, since they wouldn't have any of the American legal protections for tenants. absolutely! Now I would get to draw up a treaties or peace with the county the city and the state and fuckin rock and roll! government the way it was designed to be! yo baba! not to worry though there will always be slaves who are not willing to manage their own affairs so the corporation will always have something to do! (job security) Oh wow, you really do believe that? You'd be willing to give up your US citizenship to own the land your house is on? And how would you draw up peace treaties with "the city" and "the country" when neither would exist? You wouldn't be the only one owning land, everyone would. You could draw up a treaty with your neighbor, who would own his little plot of land, and he could draw up one with his neighbor, who would own that little plot of land, but there'd probably be someone who owned quite a bit of land who would have no interest in signing a treaty, but instead declare war, shoot you in the head, and "conquer" your house. In other words I think this is a terrible idea lol but now that I know that's what you're on about I don't have to wade through all that copypasta.

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