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The GOP and equal rights - 11/18/2010 5:20:22 AM   
housesub4you


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Status: offline 		You know the part of our historical document that says all "men" are created equal.  Well it seems the GOP really believe it just means MEN, and I'm sure they are really pissed that it does not say White Men,

Here is another wonderous vote where the GOP say no to women

Today, Senate Republicans voted unanimously against legislation to close the pay gap between women and men. The Senate voted 58-41 against allowing debate on the Paycheck Fairness Act, which would help end discriminatory pay practices against women. It had already passed the House. More than 45 years after passage of the Equal Pay Act, the pay gap shockingly persists with women still earning on average 77 cents to every man’s dollar. According to the National Women’s Law Center, “This persistent pay gap translates to more than $10,000 in lost wages per year for the average female worker.” The gap is even worse for women of color: African-American women earn 61 cents and Latinas earn 52 cents for every dollar a white non-Hispanic man earns.
Here is the link to the whole story

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/11/17/paycheck-fairness-act-fail/

So they are against fair pay for women, against a women's right to choose what to do with her body (yea smaller government and government staying out of our lives)

I mean what has the GOP really done for women????  Besides promoting Palin as the voice of the American Women
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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/18/2010 5:30:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is there a list of who voted for and against this?

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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/18/2010 5:40:37 AM   
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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/18/2010 5:44:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Lucy. Just fucking unbelievable. That fucking ben nelson better leave the party or else the party better not spend a dime on his reelection.

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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/18/2010 5:53:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

You know the part of our historical document that says all "men" are created equal. Well it seems the GOP really believe it just means MEN, and I'm sure they are really pissed that it does not say White Men,

Ignoring the cheap ranting, I'm confused...

The Equal Pay Act of 1963 is a United States federal law amending the Fair Labor Standards Act, aimed at abolishing wage disparity based on sex.

No employer having employees subject to any provisions of this section [section 206 of title 29 of the United States Code] shall discriminate, within any establishment in which such employees are employed, between employees on the basis of sex by paying wages to employees in such establishment at a rate less than the rate at which he pays wages to employees of the opposite sex in such establishment for equal work on jobs the performance of which requires equal skill, effort, and responsibility, and which are performed under similar working conditions, except where such payment is made pursuant to (i) a seniority system; (ii) a merit system; (iii) a system which measures earnings by quantity or quality of production; or (iv) a differential based on any other factor other than sex...

What exactly is S-3772 intended to accomplish that actually enforcing the existing law wouldn't?

K.

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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/18/2010 6:23:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Also, it is now 82.7 percent, not 77 percent. The gap is closing, and it took a decade for that extra 5% to show. Analysis of the census shows it is likely due to older workers that have been working at different pay rates from many years past. In comparing also the life choices made by genders, factoring in that genders handle having families differently, the pay difference is about 5-7% at the median level. Understanding this is at the median level, and having further studies and analysis done at the various income levels, would assist in a more in-depth understanding of the problem.

It seems too easy to just pass it off to discrimination, but then again, we are Americans and like to take the easy route as a country.

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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/18/2010 6:30:37 AM   
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What exactly is S-3772 intended to accomplish that actually enforcing the existing law wouldn't?


SEC. 5. NEGOTIATION SKILLS TRAINING FOR GIRLS AND WOMEN.
(a) Program Authorized-
(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary of Labor, after consultation with the Secretary of Education, is authorized to establish and carry out a grant program.
(2) GRANTS- In carrying out the program, the Secretary of Labor may make grants on a competitive basis to eligible entities, to carry out negotiation skills training programs for girls and women.

(The irony is that this implies that the reason women are paid less is because they lack skills that men have)

And then there's this:

SEC. 10. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.
(a) Authorization of Appropriations- There is authorized to be appropriated $15,000,000 to carry out this Act.

So basically the difference between this and the Equal Pay Act is that this budgets $15M to gender-based skill training and research to determine why women are paid less.

I'm not really sure I'd vote for it either.

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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/18/2010 6:50:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I doubt that I would vote for it because I agree that enforcement is the problem, not a new law.   Seems to me that it is basically a waste of congresses time.   Find out why the Administration (45 years worth) have failed to enforce existing law.

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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/18/2010 6:55:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: Kirata
What exactly is S-3772 intended to accomplish that actually enforcing the existing law wouldn't?


SEC. 5. NEGOTIATION SKILLS TRAINING FOR GIRLS AND WOMEN.
(a) Program Authorized-
(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary of Labor, after consultation with the Secretary of Education, is authorized to establish and carry out a grant program.
(2) GRANTS- In carrying out the program, the Secretary of Labor may make grants on a competitive basis to eligible entities, to carry out negotiation skills training programs for girls and women.

(The irony is that this implies that the reason women are paid less is because they lack skills that men have)

And then there's this:

SEC. 10. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.
(a) Authorization of Appropriations- There is authorized to be appropriated $15,000,000 to carry out this Act.

So basically the difference between this and the Equal Pay Act is that this budgets $15M to gender-based skill training and research to determine why women are paid less.

I'm not really sure I'd vote for it either.


Yeah, me neither. And just (who) are those "eligable entities" they're talking about? The usual list of suspects? "Money to be made!"
Can't the Congress pass Bills that don't cost anything?
Just enforce the current laws on equal pay! I don't suppose that's *ever* occured to them! "Eligable entities?" Do they mean "brother-in-laws" of Congressmen and Senators? Colleges and unis looking to make more easy bucks off of the Taxpayers?
Remember recently deceased Democratic Senator Robert "Sheets" Bird? He wasn't for "equal" anything.

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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/19/2010 9:10:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2010-249


Thanks for the link. While it's nice to think they are going to try to do the right thing when you vote for them, it's nicer to see it in print from time to time.


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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/19/2010 9:17:34 AM   
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It seems too easy to just pass it off to discrimination, but then again, we are Americans and like to take the easy route as a country.


While there is discrimination involved it is more on a cultural and societal conditioning level instead of blatent "women are worth less than men." 

There are also a whole host of other factors involved. 

Honestly, passing that act would not really help the underlying issues. 

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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/19/2010 9:21:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		The bill isnt the problem. The enforcement is. How many of you were told, upon hire, that your salaries are confidential and are not to be discussed. Never wondered why?

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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/19/2010 9:32:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

You know the part of our historical document that says all "men" are created equal.  Well it seems the GOP really believe it just means MEN, and I'm sure they are really pissed that it does not say White Men,

Here is another wonderous vote where the GOP say no to women

Today, Senate Republicans voted unanimously against legislation to close the pay gap between women and men. The Senate voted 58-41 against allowing debate on the Paycheck Fairness Act, which would help end discriminatory pay practices against women. It had already passed the House. More than 45 years after passage of the Equal Pay Act, the pay gap shockingly persists with women still earning on average 77 cents to every man’s dollar. According to the National Women’s Law Center, “This persistent pay gap translates to more than $10,000 in lost wages per year for the average female worker.” The gap is even worse for women of color: African-American women earn 61 cents and Latinas earn 52 cents for every dollar a white non-Hispanic man earns.
Here is the link to the whole story

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/11/17/paycheck-fairness-act-fail/

So they are against fair pay for women, against a women's right to choose what to do with her body (yea smaller government and government staying out of our lives)

I mean what has the GOP really done for women????  Besides promoting Palin as the voice of the American Women


Of course, that women have proven significantly more expensive employees than men, especially women of color and Hispanics/Latinos vs white non-Hispanic/Latin men, has absolutely nothing to do with the issue.

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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/19/2010 9:35:07 AM   
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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/19/2010 9:42:16 AM   
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Of course, that women have proven significantly more expensive employees than men, especially women of color and Hispanics/Latinos vs white non-Hispanic/Latin men, has absolutely nothing to do with the issue.


That was truly amazing Jimbo.

You managed to combine misogyny and racism all in one sentence.

Bravo! 

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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/22/2010 12:24:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Racist jim is a piece of crap. Why is he tolerated out here?

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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/22/2010 2:49:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

Of course, that women have proven significantly more expensive employees than men, especially women of color and Hispanics/Latinos vs white non-Hispanic/Latin men, has absolutely nothing to do with the issue.


That was truly amazing Jimbo.

You managed to combine misogyny and racism all in one sentence.

Bravo! 


Even better than that, rule - he managed to include 3 commas too! Didn't he do well!

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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/22/2010 10:18:46 AM   
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Of course, that women have proven significantly more expensive employees than men, especially women of color and Hispanics/Latinos vs white non-Hispanic/Latin men, has absolutely nothing to do with the issue.


Are you talking about the potential for lawsuit? 

Because otherwise I cannot figure out where you are getting this information. 

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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/22/2010 4:45:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

You know the part of our historical document that says all "men" are created equal.  Well it seems the GOP really believe it just means MEN, and I'm sure they are really pissed that it does not say White Men,

Here is another wonderous vote where the GOP say no to women

Today, Senate Republicans voted unanimously against legislation to close the pay gap between women and men. The Senate voted 58-41 against allowing debate on the Paycheck Fairness Act, which would help end discriminatory pay practices against women. It had already passed the House. More than 45 years after passage of the Equal Pay Act, the pay gap shockingly persists with women still earning on average 77 cents to every man’s dollar. According to the National Women’s Law Center, “This persistent pay gap translates to more than $10,000 in lost wages per year for the average female worker.” The gap is even worse for women of color: African-American women earn 61 cents and Latinas earn 52 cents for every dollar a white non-Hispanic man earns.
Here is the link to the whole story

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/11/17/paycheck-fairness-act-fail/

So they are against fair pay for women, against a women's right to choose what to do with her body (yea smaller government and government staying out of our lives)

I mean what has the GOP really done for women????  Besides promoting Palin as the voice of the American Women



If I am not mistaken the Senate is still majority Democrat. Why are you not also whining about the Dems who did not support this? Even though they represent a minority in the Senate it is once again all the GOP's fault. Let's blame the GOP. Let's blame Bush. This is why the Democrats lost contorl of the House. They (like you) are a jukebox that only plays two songs.



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RE: The GOP and equal rights - 11/23/2010 1:42:10 AM   
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If I am not mistaken the Senate is still majority Democrat. Why are you not also whining about the Dems who did not support this? Even though they represent a minority in the Senate it is once again all the GOP's fault. Let's blame the GOP. Let's blame Bush. This is why the Democrats lost contorl of the House. They (like you) are a jukebox that only plays two songs.


Which Democrats voted 'Nay' on the list, DomImus? Could you point them out for me?

In order for there to be a minority of Democrats, there would have to be at least ONE VOTING 'NAY' on the vote. Since all of them voted in favor, it shows your understanding of reality and facts.

The Democrats did not lost control of the House because of this reasoning. Large corporations, thanks to a US Supreme Court ruling earlier in the year, allowed them to make contrabutions to elections for the Republican Party, through shadow organizations. Organizations that can be 'here today and gone tommorow' or reform under a different entity. Each of which, funnelling enormous amounts of cash in to GOP coffers. I'm sure in a few months, we'll hear some of these examples come to the surface, and the sort of 'honest' and 'decent' individuals that make up those elected from the GOP.

How do you conservatives do it? Living in a fantasy world? The laws of science, reality, economics, and even common sense are simply thrown out in favor of complete insanity?

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