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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 7:04:29 AM   
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The state legislature does something incredibly stupid, all the while the federal government tells them dont do it (and you bitch that they are interfering in states rights, and only mirroring an existing federal law) and now you advocate that the federal government step in and stop a states rights issue of fiscal irresponsibility.....

But there is no linkage there whatsoever, show me a credible cite where their lawsuits are costing them 1.5Billion.   I think the major problem is that they are a red state that pays less fed tax than they take in, and with the cuts at the fed level, and their call to cut taxes at the state level.  But the PR move here for the nutsuckers should be the typical knee-jerk one...........these guys are probably illegal aliens anyway..........  

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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 7:10:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

JLF  actually I believe it is a lack of money period.   All kinds of things have been cut.   all but 2 (if I remember right) state parks, all roadside rests, road construction except federal projects,

I will agree it is a shame, but not unexpected.   I read it in the AZ Republic.   Sad but true



You agree it is a shame that people are dying because of budget cuts?

How noble of you.

But hey, at least you can go to your state park and ease your sorrow.

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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 7:19:49 AM   
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Yup, "Death Panels" and Obama's healthcare hasn't even kicked in yet!
His plan is shit! They need to start from scratch again.


Popeye, try to look really, really hard and you might see how your first sentence is totally disconnected from the second sentence.

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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 7:20:32 AM   
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I remember a while back, posters coming onto cm and bragging about being a part of the Arizona boycott. The ones in charge there were acting like racist assholes and the answer was to boycott the whole state and make everyone living there suffer. Now that the state is having financial difficulties, and having to make cutbacks we are suddenly worried about the individuals. They were living there when everyone was gungho about driving the state into bankruptcy to prove how evil they are, so why are you worried now?


Because it's PEEPEL...Peeple never die in Liberal Land, don't you know that?

Perhaps if the dumb ass Federal government didn't force Arizona to defend itself from stupid lawsuits, they would have had the money for the transplants.

This is just the beginning.
Cause and affect guys, you wanted Obamacare...You got it.



Wow robbie boy!  That was a sloppy way of linking "Obamacare" (the one the repubs say they will most assuredly to do away with) right in with border patrol and the way AZ handled it. 

Kinda like saying when a school kid who skips class all the time (the kid's decision), its the schools fault for failing him.  Good show!!


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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 7:33:43 AM   
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Because it's PEEPEL...Peeple never die in Liberal Land, don't you know that?

Perhaps if the dumb ass Federal government didn't force Arizona to defend itself from stupid lawsuits, they would have had the money for the transplants.

This is just the beginning.
Cause and affect guys, you wanted Obamacare...You got it.



No I didn't know that people who could be saved die because of cost considerations.

Well, actually I did know that because conservative pricks often make those decisions.

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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 7:36:59 AM   
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This is just the beginning.
Cause and affect guys, you wanted Obamacare...You got it.


What bullshit. One has nothing to do with the other.

Besides, this is Johnsoncare.

It's also theater. State medicare spending is matched--60% federal to the state's 40%. And chronic care for these patients is wicked awesome expensive too--transplants would have ended that.

In short, just like the Texas talk about opting out, this doesn't save money, and may even cost money. It's posturing, and at the expense of people's lives.

That's unconscionable. Of course we can afford it--some just don't want to (nor want to allow the stem cell research that could make it unnecessary). Nor is it any ultimate position into which lawmakers were forced--many other possibilities for fiscal management could have been followed.

This is as chilly as the Ford Pinto memo. It's cold. Hell, it's evil.

And it's only for show. To make a political point.

How do these people sleep at night.

Pile up the bodies.

This is sickening.


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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 7:50:18 AM   
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JLF  actually I believe it is a lack of money period.   All kinds of things have been cut.   all but 2 (if I remember right) state parks, all roadside rests, road construction except federal projects,

I will agree it is a shame, but not unexpected.   I read it in the AZ Republic.   Sad but true



You agree it is a shame that people are dying because of budget cuts?

How noble of you.

But hey, at least you can go to your state park and ease your sorrow.



What state park   all those close by are closed.   Even the roads leading to them.     I go to BLM land.   It is less than 2 miles away and camping is less than 20. 

I still believe it is a shame, a reality, but a shame.   But what the hell, the govt that I retired from is telling me that for Christmas they are going to cut my pay by $152 a month (2nd cut in 12 months).   The Military.Com is telling me that there is a senator that is trying to cut military retiree pay.  Course that don't count as part of the budget.  And yes I am complaining but there isn't much I can do about that either. 

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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 7:53:08 AM   
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Because it's PEEPEL...Peeple never die in Liberal Land, don't you know that?

Perhaps if the dumb ass Federal government didn't force Arizona to defend itself from stupid lawsuits, they would have had the money for the transplants.

This is just the beginning.
Cause and affect guys, you wanted Obamacare...You got it.



No I didn't know that people who could be saved die because of cost considerations.

Well, actually I did know that because conservative pricks often make those decisions.



Hey Rule   you forgot that insurance companies do it all the time in the name of their investers

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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 7:54:56 AM   
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insurance companies do it all the time in the name of their investers


Not so much now---and for THAT, rob can credit Obamacare.

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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 7:59:57 AM   
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insurance companies do it all the time in the name of their investers


Not so much now---and for THAT, rob can credit Obamacare.


Then what is the point of requireing prior authorizations for the most basic and simpleist of issues.  

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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 8:05:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


Because it's PEEPEL...Peeple never die in Liberal Land, don't you know that?

Perhaps if the dumb ass Federal government didn't force Arizona to defend itself from stupid lawsuits, they would have had the money for the transplants.

This is just the beginning.
Cause and affect guys, you wanted Obamacare...You got it.



No I didn't know that people who could be saved die because of cost considerations.

Well, actually I did know that because conservative pricks often make those decisions.



Hey Rule   you forgot that insurance companies do it all the time in the name of their investers



Yet conservatives believe that it is the best health care system in the world, as Boehner told us recently.

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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 8:12:20 AM   
Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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insurance companies do it all the time in the name of their investers


Not so much now---and for THAT, rob can credit Obamacare.


Then what is the point of requireing prior authorizations for the most basic and simpleist of issues.  


I don't understand the question. First, it's not different than before, and second, it's not a denial of care.

And third, it's a function of your provider's procedures. I don't have to do that, and I have a state run plan at that!

[I have a wide choice of plans, with different policies and rates, and can choose the one I prefer. In this case, I'm willing to pay a little more for a much wider range of choice.]


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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 8:18:06 AM   
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There are a few things according to ABC that is extremely worrying...

The reductions made by the Arizona state government were approved by the federal government, according to an Aug. 11 letter from Gloria Nagle, associate regional administrator for the Division of Medicaid & Children's Health Operations. In addition to limiting organ transplants, Arizona also restricted coverage of prosthetics and zeroed out podiatrists' services, preventive dental services, and wellness and physical exams for adult Medicaid enrollees.

So much for preventative care. And the Federal Government is backing this up.

"This may be a harbinger of what will evolve in this Obama national healthcare system where the expense of the health system will only be able to be contained by limitation of access," said Dr. David C. Cronin, director of liver transplantation at the Medical College of Wisconsin. "So everybody may be covered, but all services may not be available."

Of Arizona's decision to pull the plug on an insured patient's transplant, he said, "I don't see how that's fair on any level. It's indefensible to renege if the patient did everything they were supposed to do and they don't have another option. You shouldn't try to balance your budget on the backs of the most desperate patients."


Arizona's Republican governor and legislature, who already control the state's purse strings, want even more independence when it comes to determining which health care services Arizona Medicaid patients receive. Indeed, Arizona's newly elected Senate President Russell Pearce has argued for cutting the state's Medicaid program, even if that means Arizona will lose about $7 billion worth of federal grants.

"If we're saving money, the fact we lose some federal money means nothing," Pearce recently said. "If you can't afford Dillard's, even though they're having a great sale, you can't afford Dillard's."

Dr. Michael Shapiro, chief of organ transplantation at Hackensack University Medical Center in New Jersey, balked at the way Arizona chose to reduce its record deficit: "They're cutting in the wrong place."


I dont even know what to say when they compare health care to a sale at Dillards.

The state is facing a $1 billion deficit in the program come July 2011, she said. Although Arizona's fiscal year began July 1, the state opted not to implement the cuts until Oct. 1, when it estimated they'd affect about 100 people on transplant lists. However, Carusetta said the state anticipated that only a fraction of them were likely to feel direct effects of the policy change. "We believe that only about 15 percent of those individuals would be able to get a match and secure an organ."

The REAL death panel.

Morally, what is happening to these people is an outrage. Legally, im waiting for the appeals.

The Sneeches have risen again. Im sure you all remember the Sneeches... Dr Seus... The creatures with the stars upon their bellies... and the man riding into town to put stars upon the bellies of those who dont have them. If not, look for the clip, im sure youtube will have it. The end result... the man made mega bucks and the Sneeches finally realized the stars had nothing to do with society.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Health_Care/medicaid-cuts-make-organ-transplants-unaffordable/story?id=12177059&page=1

ETA the link.

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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 1:01:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I remember a while back, posters coming onto cm and bragging about being a part of the Arizona boycott. The ones in charge there were acting like racist assholes and the answer was to boycott the whole state and make everyone living there suffer. Now that the state is having financial difficulties, and having to make cutbacks we are suddenly worried about the individuals. They were living there when everyone was gungho about driving the state into bankruptcy to prove how evil they are, so why are you worried now?


Because it's PEEPEL...Peeple never die in Liberal Land, don't you know that?

Perhaps if the dumb ass Federal government didn't force Arizona to defend itself from stupid lawsuits, they would have had the money for the transplants.

This is just the beginning.
Cause and affect guys, you wanted Obamacare...You got it.




Hate to tell you this, but this has nothing to do with Health Care Reform, in fact, Health Care Reform expands medicaid and medicare.

Both these facts you would have known if you had listened to the truth, but what can you expect from Republicans.

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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 1:57:50 PM   
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This is just the beginning.
Cause and affect guys, you wanted Obamacare...You got it.


What bullshit. One has nothing to do with the other.



I have a feeling, for the next several years, anything that goes wrong with anything relating to health care is going to be laid at the feet of "Obamacare"

It may not be logical, but this is politics and religion after all.


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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 2:16:20 PM   
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It's also theater. State medicare spending is matched--60% federal to the state's 40%. And chronic care for these patients is wicked awesome expensive too--transplants would have ended that.



That's not true, once you get the transplant you have to be monitored closely, take anti-rejection pills daily (for the rest of your life) some can be incredibly expensive and see transplant specialists regularly.

The expenses don't end with the transplants. But still, there has to be better ways to save money.


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RE: Arizona GOP law makers end Medicaid funding for Med... - 11/20/2010 2:18:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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This is just the beginning.
Cause and affect guys, you wanted Obamacare...You got it.


What bullshit. One has nothing to do with the other.



I have a feeling, for the next several years, anything that goes wrong with anything relating to health care is going to be laid at the feet of "Obamacare"

It may not be logical, but this is politics and religion after all.



The ills of the world are laid at something that the president (not necessarily Obama but the one in office at the time or in the past)    I think it goes back to Washington who set the president I believe

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